obama birth certificate issue may not be dead...

[washamericom]

One of the biggest cover-ups in U.S. political history and it's NOT a conspiracy theory.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s cold case posse has confirmed that President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is “definitely fraudulent,” prompting the media and political establishment to launch a frenzied spin campaign in an effort to deflect attention from the astounding new evidence uncovered by the investigation.

Video 2: The Manual Coding On Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Proves It's Not Legit
Video 2: The Manual Coding On Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Proves It's Not Legit - YouTube



In addition to the deluge of previous evidence clearly proving Obama’s long form birth certificate had been tampered with, including the fact that when analyzed the document clearly shows that layered text has been added in artificially and that the scan of the document is not an original, Arpaio and his posse unearthed tantalizing new information.

From April 2011, New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery: » New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The most stunning revelation is the fact that in numerous places, Obama’s birth certificate has had information added at a later date than the original.

The posse was able to obtain the original 1961 coding guide used to fill in the birth certificates at the exact time Obama’s document was filed. For example, when describing the “race of father,” the number 9 on the coding guide indicates “unknown or not stated.”

The number 9 appears on Obama’s birth certificate in section 9 entitled “race of father.” This means that the race of Obama’s father was unknown or not stated at the time the original birth certificate was filed. However, the box also contains the word “African,” which was not even used as a descriptive term at the time. The fact that the document contradicts itself in that it denotes the “race of father” as not stated but then also “African” clearly indicates that “African” was added in at a later date.

The same error can be found in box 12b, “kind of business or industry,” which is also marked with a number 9 to denote ‘not stated’ yet also contains the word “University,” again clearly suggesting the document was tampered with at a later date.

Sheriff Arpaio has now promised to elevate the issue to a higher authority within the federal government.

Source Link: » National Security Threat: Obama’s Birth Certificate Proven Fraudulent Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form ): Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form ) - YouTube

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ): Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ) - YouTube

i am more inclined to believe albert renshaw than fogbow.

 

[Montrovant]

Do these people call themselves a 'cold case posse' or is that name just a media contrivance?

 

[GuyNTexas]

Answer my question, dipshit.

Did you get suckered by yet another Corsi money making scheme?

the question is... did obama... ?? lol...
watch hannity's ratings go up this week...

You have no good answer do you? This investigation was and is corrupt.

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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[Care4all]

the question is... did obama... ?? lol...
watch hannity's ratings go up this week...

You have no good answer do you? This investigation was and is corrupt.

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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FactCheck.org : Born in the U.S.A.

Yes, There Was A Kapiolani Maternity And Gynecological Hospital In 1961 « Nice Deb

start there to inform yourself...

 

[GuyNTexas]

finally, i can't believe ukulele is a ninety-five year old woman, whom they are just now finding and talking to. the story just keeps getting better.

The lady's name is V (not U) K. Lee. The conversation with her was recorded. She confirmed her identity as the registrar at that time in 1961, and explained to the investigators the hand coded number system which helps authenticate her identity, as well as the process followed for sequentially numbering the records, which is also out of sequence on Obama's alleged certificate .... just one of the several indications of fabrication/forgery.

So, your statement should say .... "I don't WANT to believe" rather than I can't believe. You can believe, and you should, because there is no rational excuse for not believing. It would be completely asinine for these investigators to make up such a story, and equally unreasonable to suspect that this 95 year old woman named V. K. Lee was just coincidentally working as a registrar for the Hawaii Health Department, yet there is no relation between her and the named registrar on Obama's BC.

 

[Moonglow]

the question is... did obama... ?? lol...
watch hannity's ratings go up this week...

You have no good answer do you? This investigation was and is corrupt.

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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Which law is that?

 

[washamericom]

You have no good answer do you? This investigation was and is corrupt.

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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FactCheck.org : Born in the U.S.A.

Yes, There Was A Kapiolani Maternity And Gynecological Hospital In 1961 « Nice Deb

start there to inform yourself...

from "factcheck.org"


We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.


note: both obama and bill ayers work for annenberg.

i am unable to believe that factcheck has touched the original. as far as i know only a few officials in hawaii have. i don't consider factcheck to be credible, for these inherent conflicts.

if factcheck is being informed, then you aren't.

 

[GuyNTexas]

start there to inform yourself...

Your first link at Factscheck.org addresses the first document ... the "short form" presented much earlier and is not the document being investigated and discussed here, which, at the time the short form was presented, the claim was that no such long form even existed. So this really is a brain dead response.

If it is your goal to be informative ... at least figure out what the rest of us are talking about. Then you won't appear as ridiculously clueless as your friends.

Did every one of you go to the same school for crying out loud? Or do you think such juvenile bait and switch tactics will impress or fool someone?

 

[GuyNTexas]

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/]Yes, There Was A Kapiolani Maternity And Gynecological Hospital In 1961 « Nice Deb[/url]

start there to inform yourself...

from "factcheck.org"


We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.


note: both obama and bill ayers work for annenberg.

i am unable to believe that factcheck has touched the original. as far as i know only a few officials in hawaii have. i don't consider factcheck to be credible, for these inherent conflicts.

It's not even talking about the long form, for Christ sake. This is that little propaganda piece from 2008 regarding the "short form" which is a dead and buried issue.

Here: right from the site ....

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

This apparent "fact" was also supported by Chiyome Fukino, former head of the state agency in charge of birth records in Hawaii claiming that the short form Obama received is exactly what everyone else receives from Hawaii, and that no long forms are issued by the State.

The Fact that FactCheck apparently didn't check is that Susan Nordyke, who was born in Honolulu Aug. 5, 1961, just one day after Obama, received a long form Birth Certificate for which these lying officials claim is never issued to anyone. Just another blatant lie from this gaggle of lying liberals doing what they do best .... spewing a stream lies with enough force to strip the haze gray paint off an aircraft carrier down to bare metal.

 

[washamericom]

The Birthers are (Still) Back

 

[Care4all]

start there to inform yourself...

Your first link at Factscheck.org addresses the first document ... the "short form" presented much earlier and is not the document being investigated and discussed here, which, at the time the short form was presented, the claim was that no such long form even existed. So this really is a brain dead response.

If it is your goal to be informative ... at least figure out what the rest of us are talking about. Then you won't appear as ridiculously clueless as your friends.

Did every one of you go to the same school for crying out loud? Or do you think such juvenile bait and switch tactics will impress or fool someone?

if you viewed the full factcheck. org article, you would have seen that it was revised and updated in april of 2011, when Obama's long form was released and if you had read through the full article you also would have found the link for the full long form birth certificate.

Where do you think he was born and what legitimate proof do you have that he was born there? That's where any logical person would start...

Let me say what I think is critical in the case, Obama's mother and Father's legal/street address at the time of his birth, was in Honolulu, Hawaii...with documentation to back that up....the hospital that Obama was born in forwarded his birth certificate to the department of Health Registry 2 days after he was born, and the Hawaii Dept of Health Registry ran an ad, in their New Birth and Marriage section of the 2 Honolulu Newspapers noting his birth and the birth of all other children born that prior week in Honolulu, Hawaii, they did NOT post in this newpaper section of Marriages and births, the births of child NOT born in Honolulu, ONLY those children born in Honolulu....in august of 1961....that right there, seals the deal, with the copy of birth certificate long form just being the icing on the cake.

the long form is not a fake or a forgery, this is explained in many places on the internet and in the second link I gave you.

 

[GuyNTexas]

if you viewed the full factcheck. org article, you would have seen that it was revised and updated in april of 2011, when Obama's long form was released and if you had read through the full article you also would have found the link for the full long form birth certificate.

When that link is clicked .... this is what you get from the barackobama.com -truth-team:

"Sorry, the page you're looking for isn't here."

Not very "informative" ... and what a joke ..... the "Truth Team".

Where do you think he was born and what legitimate proof do you have that he was born there? That's where any logical person would start...

It's not our responsibility to prove where he was born ... it is HIS RESPONSIBILITY. I know he was obviously born .. because he exists .... where he was born ... and who his real parents are is on him to prove, not my job to disprove.

Let me say what I think is critical in the case, Obama's mother and Father's legal/street address at the time of his birth, was in Honolulu, Hawaii...with documentation to back that up....

That's no proof of anything. I could have a street address in Hawaii and I live in Texas. Would a Hawaiian street address prove they lived there? Prove they were married? Prove who the father was? Where he was born? No ... no ... no ... and no.

the hospital that Obama was born in forwarded his birth certificate to the department of Health Registry 2 days after he was born, and the Hawaii Dept of Health Registry ran an ad, in their New Birth and Marriage section of the 2 Honolulu Newspapers noting his birth and the birth of all other children born that prior week in Honolulu, Hawaii, they did NOT post in this newpaper section of Marriages and births, the births of child NOT born in Honolulu, ONLY those children born in Honolulu....in august of 1961....that right there, seals the deal, with the copy of birth certificate long form just being the icing on the cake.

Absolutely untrue. Based on Hawaiian law ... ( the specific text of which has already been posted previously in this thread), a non-witnessed ...non-hospital birth can be registered with the Department of Health by mere testimony of either a parent or anyone else claiming to have "knowledge" of such a birth, which would generate the same birth announcement. And it was a known loophole that existed then, and still exists today that allows even foreign born children to claim Hawaiian birth status and US Citizenship ... with investigations finding thousands of examples of this very practice occurring commonly during the time frame of Obama's birth.

Far from anything remotely close to "sealing the deal" ... these birth announcements mean absolutely nothing. They are as valuable as a 50 year old coupon for the local grocery store. In fact, any birth certificate from the State of Hawaii that is not testified to by an attending physician's signature, stipulating the time, date and place of birth is as worthless as a three dollar bill.

And every trail that has been followed in this very detailed investigation comes up with inexplicable incidences that suggest foul play. For example, .... records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama’s birth, including the dates Aug. 1, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961. No other records were missing ... just those during that very week, and to think that is just a coincidence would be BRAIN DEAD. The only rational explanation for this is that those records would likely reveal documented evidence of the arrival of momma Obama and son (already born) that week from some foreign country of origin. There would be no other reason for someone to remove those records.

the long form is not a fake or a forgery, this is explained in many places on the internet and in the second link I gave you.

The clear evidence of forgery is presented right here in this very thread, and there is no denying it by anyone who is 1) honest or 2) not a drooling low grade moron.

Furthermore, all of the smoking guns, and inexplicable coincidences ... the stone walling by the White House and Hawaiian officials who refuse to certify the document presented ... the missing immigration card records for the week of Obama's birth .... the statements made by family claiming he was born in Kenya ... the likely forgery of the selective service registration card with the wrong format number .... the evidence of fraud is the size of Mt. Everest.

To sit there in the face of all of this and claim there is nothing out of sorts is absurdly idiotic. You might just as well declare that water isn't wet.

 

[washamericom]

THE DAILY PEN

 

[Faun]

I'd like to take this opportunity to personally thank Joe the Sheriff for bringing back to life one of the all-time dumbest conspiracy theories in U.S. history.

 

[washamericom]

not only is it not going away, most people would be surprised at the amount of discrepancies in obama credentials. at least now we know how he thinks, if not where he was born.

 

[GuyNTexas]

You have no good answer do you? This investigation was and is corrupt.

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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Which law is that?

The United States Constitution.

 

[daws101]

Look ... this is pretty basic logic ..... when there is hard evidence showing a faked document, the political motive issue is an irrelevant matter at that point.

Firstly, it has already been stated ... the truth is what matters, not the consequences of that truth being revealed. Now, if the investigation came back and said "we believe the document is faked because there are a couple of anomalies that cannot be explained" .. then your claim of bias might hold some water. But that is simply not the case here. There are a good number of issues with the document that clearly show direct and deliberate manipulation and alteration, beyond any doubt. This represents hard evidence of a crime having been committed by "someone", as well as leaving the issue of Obama's birth status unresolved. This doesn't prove that he was not born in Hawaii as he claims ... just that the document presented is not legitimate proof of that.

And Arpaio has made it very clear that he and his team are not accusing Obama or any other specific individual of doing anything illegal, and that is true .. they have been very careful not to speculate or insinuate wrongdoing by any specific individual since they do not know "who" created the forged document. Now, they also claim that they had hoped to find the document legitimate and put the conspiracy hypothesis to rest. I don't know if that is true or not ... and neither do you. You have a right to your own opinion about that, but that's all it is .. your opinion. But no matter what your view is of their unspoken thoughts, that still doesn't make the hard evidence go away. Now if you are suggesting that the investigators themselves are fabricating this hard evidence in their politically motivated drive to besmirch the President ... then you need to present the evidence for that suspicion. The fact remains, thousands of people have downloaded that document straight from the White House website, and have discovered and highlighted many of the exact same anomalies Arpaio's team have confirmed independently, proving that there is no "evidence fabrication" taking place.

The response from the left have been consistent in it's citing of racism, bias, and other nefarious motives to promote the idea that this is a political attack on the President ... but these types of pure tactical maneuvering and damage control cannot skirt around the facts, or make the evidence ... the document itself ... go away. Consequently, this bull headed insistence on obfuscating the facts IS the true demonstration of politically motivated bias.

And I have to say that because the issues are so elementary and not at all complex, a large number of you people must be purposely engaging in deliberate dishonesty, as I would hope that the majority of you all are not so stupid that you cannot grasp what should be easily understood by a 5th grader.

As Americans, each and every one of us have a right to know whether the president, a public servant (not a God) is who he says he is, and eligible to hold the office he was elected to by the people. That's true of everyone, whether you voted for him or not. Furthermore, each one of us has an obligation and duty as citizens to demand that our elected officials abide by the laws that apply to all of us ... with no exceptions to ANY elected officials on either side.

Providing a valid birth certificate is done every day in this country by common people simply to receive a damned driver's license ... therefore it is not placing some unreasonable burden on Obama to provide this most common form of identification to show he is in compliance with the law in good faith. Spending two years in court battles attempting to withhold this information is not just a gesture of bad faith, but evidence itself of deliberate deception and a transparent attempt to hide whatever truth the President and his advisors view as damaging.

There is no rational reason or justification for anyone to defend such deliberate dishonestly by withholding information that the public has a right to know, and the law demands.





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Which law is that?

The United States Constitution.

that covers a lot of ground can you be more specific?

 

[Faun]

One of the biggest cover-ups in U.S. political history and it's NOT a conspiracy theory.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s cold case posse has confirmed that President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is “definitely fraudulent,” prompting the media and political establishment to launch a frenzied spin campaign in an effort to deflect attention from the astounding new evidence uncovered by the investigation.

Video 2: The Manual Coding On Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Proves It's Not Legit
Video 2: The Manual Coding On Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Proves It's Not Legit - YouTube



In addition to the deluge of previous evidence clearly proving Obama’s long form birth certificate had been tampered with, including the fact that when analyzed the document clearly shows that layered text has been added in artificially and that the scan of the document is not an original, Arpaio and his posse unearthed tantalizing new information.

From April 2011, New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery: » New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The most stunning revelation is the fact that in numerous places, Obama’s birth certificate has had information added at a later date than the original.

The posse was able to obtain the original 1961 coding guide used to fill in the birth certificates at the exact time Obama’s document was filed. For example, when describing the “race of father,” the number 9 on the coding guide indicates “unknown or not stated.”

The number 9 appears on Obama’s birth certificate in section 9 entitled “race of father.” This means that the race of Obama’s father was unknown or not stated at the time the original birth certificate was filed. However, the box also contains the word “African,” which was not even used as a descriptive term at the time. The fact that the document contradicts itself in that it denotes the “race of father” as not stated but then also “African” clearly indicates that “African” was added in at a later date.

The same error can be found in box 12b, “kind of business or industry,” which is also marked with a number 9 to denote ‘not stated’ yet also contains the word “University,” again clearly suggesting the document was tampered with at a later date.

Sheriff Arpaio has now promised to elevate the issue to a higher authority within the federal government.

Source Link: » National Security Threat: Obama’s Birth Certificate Proven Fraudulent Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form ): Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form ) - YouTube

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ): Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ) - YouTube

Well lookie here ... in less than a day, Joe the Sheriff is debunked. Seems he got the codes all wrong!



Obama Conspiracy Theories

 

[washamericom]

kevin davidson is an obot, he's joined at the hip with fogbow. he immediately "debunks everything" within minutes. he touts his expertise and how smart he is. so why didn't he (dr. goldcoin) know about/find verna lee ? he's a joke. otherwise it would be a dead issue after five years.

but i'm glad you're doing a little poking around faun.

excerpt from obamaconspiracy.org:

This is the second of a two-part series examining penciled notations found on Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate. Part one covered some false claims made about the marks, and in particular some marks from an unidentified form bound with the long form and visible in the scan.

In this final part, I will present some previously unpublished documentation from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) on data coding from 1961 and attempt to apply it and what is known from other sources to the President’s birth certificate.

I’ll say up front that this article doesn’t attempt to refute birthers, nor does it contain any startling revelations or insights. It’s a reference article.


you may find this interesting: from "doctor" conspiracy.

This being the Season of Lent, a time of repentance and reflection, I offer this non-repentant, but self-reflecting disclosure: In 2009, my “thought experiment” transmogrified [I got to use that word again!] into a real experiment. In the Jekyll/Hyde tradition, I created the character of Obot1 and the web site Obots.org. The site adopted the tag line, “Birthers need not apply, ever” to emphasize censorship of anything birthers wanted said.

I took some care to hide the origins of the site. Up until the recent movement of my sites, Obots.org had a distinct IP address from any of my other sites. It was registered in a protected name. It used a very different WordPress Theme, and a different set of features (e.g. it had a Tag Cloud, random posts and a calendar). Of course, all comments were moderated. I even used a different format for site links. But most importantly, I tried to make the writing style distinct from what’s here. It must have worked because no one has ever suggested that I was behind Obot1.


http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/tag/obots-org/

you can believe whomever you like. one thing you might consider is "why is there an army of obots for such a "silly issue". they attack ridicule and intimidate regular visitors on forums, people just trying to ask questions. they have from the beginning, and i've always wondered why that would even be necessary ??

http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/323913/


also:

Kevin Davidson, who posts under the alias “Dr. Conspiracy,” wrote the article referenced by Arduini, entitled “The Doc got layers,” posted July 9 on Davidson’s blog, ObamaConspiracy.org.

Davidson is retired from Netsmart Technologies, an information technologies company whose business includes providing assistance in vital records management to state organizations.

In an email to WND, Davidson professed that he never worked with the state of Hawaii and his former employer never had a vital records contract with the state.

He further stated that his Obama Conspiracy blog is “a personal hobby” that “was never connected to my employment.”

Neither Arduini nor Davidson have demonstrated an ability to replicate what is observed in the Obama birth certificate PDF by scanning a document and utilizing optimization techniques.

a challenge still not met. http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/329221/

 

[Care4all]

if you viewed the full factcheck. org article, you would have seen that it was revised and updated in april of 2011, when Obama's long form was released and if you had read through the full article you also would have found the link for the full long form birth certificate.

When that link is clicked .... this is what you get from the barackobama.com -truth-team:

"Sorry, the page you're looking for isn't here."

Not very "informative" ... and what a joke ..... the "Truth Team".

Where do you think he was born and what legitimate proof do you have that he was born there? That's where any logical person would start...

It's not our responsibility to prove where he was born ... it is HIS RESPONSIBILITY. I know he was obviously born .. because he exists .... where he was born ... and who his real parents are is on him to prove, not my job to disprove.



That's no proof of anything. I could have a street address in Hawaii and I live in Texas. Would a Hawaiian street address prove they lived there? Prove they were married? Prove who the father was? Where he was born? No ... no ... no ... and no.

the hospital that Obama was born in forwarded his birth certificate to the department of Health Registry 2 days after he was born, and the Hawaii Dept of Health Registry ran an ad, in their New Birth and Marriage section of the 2 Honolulu Newspapers noting his birth and the birth of all other children born that prior week in Honolulu, Hawaii, they did NOT post in this newpaper section of Marriages and births, the births of child NOT born in Honolulu, ONLY those children born in Honolulu....in august of 1961....that right there, seals the deal, with the copy of birth certificate long form just being the icing on the cake.

Absolutely untrue. Based on Hawaiian law ... ( the specific text of which has already been posted previously in this thread), a non-witnessed ...non-hospital birth can be registered with the Department of Health by mere testimony of either a parent or anyone else claiming to have "knowledge" of such a birth, which would generate the same birth announcement. And it was a known loophole that existed then, and still exists today that allows even foreign born children to claim Hawaiian birth status and US Citizenship ... with investigations finding thousands of examples of this very practice occurring commonly during the time frame of Obama's birth.

Far from anything remotely close to "sealing the deal" ... these birth announcements mean absolutely nothing. They are as valuable as a 50 year old coupon for the local grocery store. In fact, any birth certificate from the State of Hawaii that is not testified to by an attending physician's signature, stipulating the time, date and place of birth is as worthless as a three dollar bill.

And every trail that has been followed in this very detailed investigation comes up with inexplicable incidences that suggest foul play. For example, .... records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of President Obama’s birth, including the dates Aug. 1, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961. No other records were missing ... just those during that very week, and to think that is just a coincidence would be BRAIN DEAD. The only rational explanation for this is that those records would likely reveal documented evidence of the arrival of momma Obama and son (already born) that week from some foreign country of origin. There would be no other reason for someone to remove those records.

the long form is not a fake or a forgery, this is explained in many places on the internet and in the second link I gave you.

The clear evidence of forgery is presented right here in this very thread, and there is no denying it by anyone who is 1) honest or 2) not a drooling low grade moron.

Furthermore, all of the smoking guns, and inexplicable coincidences ... the stone walling by the White House and Hawaiian officials who refuse to certify the document presented ... the missing immigration card records for the week of Obama's birth .... the statements made by family claiming he was born in Kenya ... the likely forgery of the selective service registration card with the wrong format number .... the evidence of fraud is the size of Mt. Everest.

To sit there in the face of all of this and claim there is nothing out of sorts is absurdly idiotic. You might just as well declare that water isn't wet.

sorry, you are showing your ignorance..... Obama and the state of Hawaii have issued a legal birth certificate for Obama....in Hawaii and also born in a hawaiian hospital, and the hospital gave the hawaii dept of health the information on his birth...says so, right on the form....he was born in a hospital in honolulu.

and in addition to this, you are being utterly ridiculous....regarding the records missing on travel for the week of obama's birth...you and your friends are LYING....and lying through your teeth, BIG TIME....maybe it is your ignorance and this is not intentional, but a lie none the less.

Obama PROVED he was born in Honolulu....and the State of Hawaii has proved that he was born in Honolulu.

In this country you are INNOCENT until proven GUILTY.....and for your convoluted mind to create this outright lie is pretty telling....so unless you have proof that Obama was born in another country, you are full of crap.

you have no travel records, you have no airline flight records, you have no custom records, you have no passport records, you have no hospital records of his birth overseas, you have NOTHING, but mere lies....sad you can't think for yourself....you've got a disease....and need psychological help.