obama birth certificate: more investigation request

[Faun]

There is no reliable source of which I'm aware of Barak Obama stating he was born in Kenya. However, Obama's literary agents, Dystel & Goderich Literary Management company, in his official client biography, was touting that he was born in Kenya as early as 1991. It was still reporting that Obama was born in Kenya as late as 2008.

I have no doubt he was aware of this and found some literary value in representing himself as foreign-born. However, the fact that he did not address this possible oversight until his campaign was in full-swing leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

Did he deliberately misrepresent himself before the election? Did he misrepresent himself after the election? Only one of those can be true.

hey, this guy's good. you nailed it again. did he ever use foreign born status to enhance his education ? did he hide anything ? the benghazi affair makes it crystal clear that they are capable of a coverup.

Huh? What coverup?

 

[washamericom]

Below is the BC that Obama released THREE YEARS AFTER becoming president.

Below is a random BC from the same state, same year.

Anyone who orders a BC from archives will not get an original but a photo reversal from microfiche. Notice the very raised seal visible in the bottom BC. I was born four years before the President in California and my official BC on record is a photo reversal with a palpable seal as well.

Personally, I don't care if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Kathmandu ... that ship has sailed. But the fact that he played fast-and-loose with the documents required to fulfill a Constitutional requirement will forever leave a bad-taste in people's mouths and reason for doubt.

Screaming 'Birfer!' over and over at the top of your voice doesn't remove that doubt. It only makes you look like you have doubts yourself.

By the way, you just obliterated washamericom's OP. In it, is the claim that one of the pieces of evidence that Obama's BC is fake is because the name of the hospital is wrong...

On April 27, 2011 Obama produced a birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. That birth certificate was almost immediately proven to be a computer generated forgery. Example: The name of the hospital as shown on that forged birth certificate did no exist at the time Obama was born. That name came into existence some seventen years later with the merger of two hospitals.​

... but you just posted someone else's birth certificate from the day after Obama was born and it lists the exact same hospital name that appears on Obama's birth certificate.



You birfers crack me up!

the family and the obama campaign website and snopes had it wrong, until they changed it.

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

 

[washamericom]

There is no reliable source of which I'm aware of Barak Obama stating he was born in Kenya. However, Obama's literary agents, Dystel & Goderich Literary Management company, in his official client biography, was touting that he was born in Kenya as early as 1991. It was still reporting that Obama was born in Kenya as late as 2008.

I have no doubt he was aware of this and found some literary value in representing himself as foreign-born. However, the fact that he did not address this possible oversight until his campaign was in full-swing leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

Did he deliberately misrepresent himself before the election? Did he misrepresent himself after the election? Only one of those can be true.

hey, this guy's good. you nailed it again. did he ever use foreign born status to enhance his education ? did he hide anything ? the benghazi affair makes it crystal clear that they are capable of a coverup.

Huh? What coverup?

that video. susan rice... stephanie cutter. and on and on.

 

[washamericom]

Prove your claims.

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

Link? Yes, he spent some time in Kenya as a child. That doesn't mean he was born in Kenya.

when was he in kenya as a child ?

Don't know. I heard he spent some time over there somewhere as a child.

no offense, but you're in over your head in this thread.

 

[washamericom]

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

Quote him saying he was born in Kenya...

Why? You liberals idiots will just lie more.

LOL

As if evidence was needed that you can't quote Obama saying he was born in Kenya.

that doesn't mean he wasn't born there.

There is zero [actual] evidence he was born in Kenya.

or it might be hiding in plain sight.

 

[BULLDOG]

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

Link? Yes, he spent some time in Kenya as a child. That doesn't mean he was born in Kenya.

when was he in kenya as a child ?

Don't know. I heard he spent some time over there somewhere as a child.

no offense, but you're in over your head in this thread.

None taken, but I'll note your comment.

 

[BULLDOG]

Quote him saying he was born in Kenya...

Why? You liberals idiots will just lie more.

LOL

As if evidence was needed that you can't quote Obama saying he was born in Kenya.

that doesn't mean he wasn't born there.

There is zero [actual] evidence he was born in Kenya.

or it might be hiding in plain sight.

Great. Now all you have to do is find it hiding, and the tinfoil hat stigma that birthers have will go away. It won't until then.

 

[washamericom]

(1776 Channel) NBC White House correspondent Savannah Guthrie, the only journalist on the planet proclaiming to have seen a paper copy of Barack Obama’s long-form Hawaii birth certificate and to have ‘touched and felt the raised seal’, has emerged as the top choice to replace embattled NBC News anchor Brian Williams, according to the Drudge Report.

Guthrie made that statement during the April 27, 2011 broadcast of NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. The title of the segment is Obama birth certificate—signed, sealed, delivered (Click to watch video).

Guthrie also uploaded to social media website UberSocial two images she claims are photographs she took at the White House of a paper copy of President Obama’s long-form Hawaii birth certificate.

 

[washamericom]

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

Link? Yes, he spent some time in Kenya as a child. That doesn't mean he was born in Kenya.

when was he in kenya as a child ?

Don't know. I heard he spent some time over there somewhere as a child.

no offense, but you're in over your head in this thread.

None taken, but I'll note your comment.

it's an interesting topic, but it's very complex. take the time to watch that video again. how can these exact groupings be explained.

 

[washamericom]

there's zero evidence a birth certificate exists.

Now you're simply lying. There's the short form certificate is showed in 2008. Like it or not, that's evidence. Then there's the long form certificate he showed in 2011. Again, like it or not, that's evidence.

but people not born in hawaii can/could have gotten one right (short) ? we agree on that, not sure what the lying is all about.

there could be nothing in the vault and everything could be the same. (fort knox syndrome)

the whole corley guthie scenario is pageantry to me.

No, people not born in Hawaii cannot get a Hawaiian birth certificate that says they were born in Hawaii. You've been duped yet again.

And again, Obama has shown two forms of his birth record. Like it or not, that's evidence.

i'm pretty sure i heard about hawaii issuing birth certificates to people not born there.

and this is interesting.

An analysis of Hawaii’s birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama’s 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a “Certificate of Birth,” including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer’s name.

“In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an ‘original birth certificate’ on record,” the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.



But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, “Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate,” the investigator said.

“If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end,” the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama’s eligibility.

Tell Obama you don’t buy his state-run media
coverup!

“And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept. 1960 to Feb. 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth,” the report said.

While it’s clear that release of the original birth certificate would answer many questions about Obama’s origins, it is far from the only document in dispute. WND has reported that documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

WND also reported previously that the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” posted online presented by Obama as documentation of his reported Hawaiian birth doesn’t alone “prove” his birth, according to government officials.

U.S. State Department officials say the law is “complicated,” and Hawaii state officials said such documents are issued only when certain standards have been met.

But the investigator reported there are scenarios that don’t involve a physician.

“In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before ‘the local registrar of the district,'” the investigator said. He called this option BC2.

“It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that ‘neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate,'” the report said. “I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license … and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ’60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.”

Another opportunity arises because of the law in force in 1961 in Hawaii that if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a ‘Delayed Certificate’ could be filed, which required that ‘a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates,’ which ‘evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file,'” the report said of the option called BC3.

“In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country,” the investigator said.

Finally, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is available for those born in Hawaii without attendance and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed.

There actually was one further option, but it didn’t become law until 1982, the report said. Under Act 182, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

“In this way ‘state policies and procedures’ accommodate even ‘children born out of State,'” the report said, noting, “This is the actual language of Act 182.

“So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by [state Health Department chief] Dr. [Chiyome] Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182. This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr. Fukino’s statement that, “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Such a statement could apply to any one of several of the birth certificate options in Hawaii, the report said.

“I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and ‘lawyered’ and basically worthless Dr. Fukino’s statement is,” the investigator said.

“The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3,” the report said.

“It is also very strange that Dr. Fukino’s statement in no way attested to (or even addressed the issue of) the authenticity of the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ (and the information that appears on it) that the Daily Kos blog and the Obama campaign posted on line,” the investigator pondered.

The absence of a hospital name or physician on the vault certificate would mean Obama wasn’t born in a hospital in Hawaii. A home birth also could be ruled because of other evidence, the report said.

“When someone has a home birth or is not born in a hospital, this becomes a part of his family’s lore and is now and again spoken of by his parents. He and his siblings grow up knowing that he was born at home or his uncle’s house, etc. The fact that someone in the campaign told a Washington Post reporter that he was born in Kapiolani hospital and his sister said he was born at Queens hospital indicates that there was not and is not any Obama/Dunham family memory of a home birth or non-hospital birth in Hawaii,” the report said.

Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president’s birth certificate documentation here.

The investigator said the “Certification of Live Birth” posted online by the campaign “proves nothing.”

The investigator said the reason for a deception, given the probable of the origins of the birth certificate, are plain.

A young girl giving birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen did not have the right to pass along American citizenship, the report said.

“When enacted in 1952, section 301 [of federal immigration laws at the time] required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The 10-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period,” the investigator said.

“Even if the law was retroactively changed to grant citizenship (but not ‘natural-born’ citizenship) to some of those who had at birth been denied it. If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen. Therefore, that person is ineligible under Article II, Section1 for the Office of President of the United States,” the report concluded.

Here is the “Certification of Live Birth” presented by Obama:

image: http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg

Short-form “Certification of Live Birth”
And here is an image of an actual long-form Hawaiian birth certificate from the same hospital President Obama reports he was born at from the day after the president’s birth:

image: http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

Photostat of Susan Nordyke’s 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)
The report warned of the possible ramifications, including invalid president orders and appointments.

“The only way out of the present constitutional crisis is for Obama to do as McCain did when he was confronted by far less pressing doubts about the circumstances of his birth. He must disclose his vault birth certificate. Since the document has been so suspiciously withheld for so long, it should be subjected to rigorous forensic tests,” the report said.

But raising a red flag that cannot be ignored are several other circumstances, the investigator said. One is that one of Obama’s top advisers, John O. Brennen, heads a firm that was cited for breaching State Department passport files belonging to Obama.

Further relevant information “may” be obtained from a Washington Times report that a key witness in the passport investigation was found dead.

The Times said Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who was cooperating with investigators, was found dead inside a car in front of a Washington church.

The report said, “City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.”


Read more at Count the ways to get Hawaii ‘birth certificate’

Ah, WND? Even WND said Obama's certification of live birth is "authentic"...

A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.​

And no, Hawaii does not issue birth certificates to foreign born folks which indicate they were born in Hawaii. Hawaii did issue birth certificates to foreign born folks but it indicated their place of birth.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]


http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm


Count the ways to get Hawaii ‘birth certificate’

i remember reading about some political exile getting a colb in hawaii.

 

[Faun]

Below is the BC that Obama released THREE YEARS AFTER becoming president.

Below is a random BC from the same state, same year.

Anyone who orders a BC from archives will not get an original but a photo reversal from microfiche. Notice the very raised seal visible in the bottom BC. I was born four years before the President in California and my official BC on record is a photo reversal with a palpable seal as well.

Personally, I don't care if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Kathmandu ... that ship has sailed. But the fact that he played fast-and-loose with the documents required to fulfill a Constitutional requirement will forever leave a bad-taste in people's mouths and reason for doubt.

Screaming 'Birfer!' over and over at the top of your voice doesn't remove that doubt. It only makes you look like you have doubts yourself.

By the way, you just obliterated washamericom's OP. In it, is the claim that one of the pieces of evidence that Obama's BC is fake is because the name of the hospital is wrong...

On April 27, 2011 Obama produced a birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. That birth certificate was almost immediately proven to be a computer generated forgery. Example: The name of the hospital as shown on that forged birth certificate did no exist at the time Obama was born. That name came into existence some seventen years later with the merger of two hospitals.​

... but you just posted someone else's birth certificate from the day after Obama was born and it lists the exact same hospital name that appears on Obama's birth certificate.



You birfers crack me up!

the family and the obama campaign website and snopes had it wrong, until they changed it.

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

 

[Faun]

Now you're simply lying. There's the short form certificate is showed in 2008. Like it or not, that's evidence. Then there's the long form certificate he showed in 2011. Again, like it or not, that's evidence.

but people not born in hawaii can/could have gotten one right (short) ? we agree on that, not sure what the lying is all about.

there could be nothing in the vault and everything could be the same. (fort knox syndrome)

the whole corley guthie scenario is pageantry to me.

No, people not born in Hawaii cannot get a Hawaiian birth certificate that says they were born in Hawaii. You've been duped yet again.

And again, Obama has shown two forms of his birth record. Like it or not, that's evidence.

i'm pretty sure i heard about hawaii issuing birth certificates to people not born there.

and this is interesting.

An analysis of Hawaii’s birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama’s 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a “Certificate of Birth,” including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.

The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer’s name.

“In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an ‘original birth certificate’ on record,” the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.



But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, “Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate,” the investigator said.

“If the original certificate were the standard … type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end,” the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama’s eligibility.

Tell Obama you don’t buy his state-run media
coverup!

“And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept. 1960 to Feb. 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth,” the report said.

While it’s clear that release of the original birth certificate would answer many questions about Obama’s origins, it is far from the only document in dispute. WND has reported that documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

WND also reported previously that the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” posted online presented by Obama as documentation of his reported Hawaiian birth doesn’t alone “prove” his birth, according to government officials.

U.S. State Department officials say the law is “complicated,” and Hawaii state officials said such documents are issued only when certain standards have been met.

But the investigator reported there are scenarios that don’t involve a physician.

“In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before ‘the local registrar of the district,'” the investigator said. He called this option BC2.

“It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that ‘neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate,'” the report said. “I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license … and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ’60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.”

Another opportunity arises because of the law in force in 1961 in Hawaii that if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a ‘Delayed Certificate’ could be filed, which required that ‘a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates,’ which ‘evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file,'” the report said of the option called BC3.

“In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country,” the investigator said.

Finally, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is available for those born in Hawaii without attendance and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed.

There actually was one further option, but it didn’t become law until 1982, the report said. Under Act 182, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

“In this way ‘state policies and procedures’ accommodate even ‘children born out of State,'” the report said, noting, “This is the actual language of Act 182.

“So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by [state Health Department chief] Dr. [Chiyome] Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182. This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr. Fukino’s statement that, “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Such a statement could apply to any one of several of the birth certificate options in Hawaii, the report said.

“I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and ‘lawyered’ and basically worthless Dr. Fukino’s statement is,” the investigator said.

“The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3,” the report said.

“It is also very strange that Dr. Fukino’s statement in no way attested to (or even addressed the issue of) the authenticity of the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ (and the information that appears on it) that the Daily Kos blog and the Obama campaign posted on line,” the investigator pondered.

The absence of a hospital name or physician on the vault certificate would mean Obama wasn’t born in a hospital in Hawaii. A home birth also could be ruled because of other evidence, the report said.

“When someone has a home birth or is not born in a hospital, this becomes a part of his family’s lore and is now and again spoken of by his parents. He and his siblings grow up knowing that he was born at home or his uncle’s house, etc. The fact that someone in the campaign told a Washington Post reporter that he was born in Kapiolani hospital and his sister said he was born at Queens hospital indicates that there was not and is not any Obama/Dunham family memory of a home birth or non-hospital birth in Hawaii,” the report said.

Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president’s birth certificate documentation here.

The investigator said the “Certification of Live Birth” posted online by the campaign “proves nothing.”

The investigator said the reason for a deception, given the probable of the origins of the birth certificate, are plain.

A young girl giving birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen did not have the right to pass along American citizenship, the report said.

“When enacted in 1952, section 301 [of federal immigration laws at the time] required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The 10-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period,” the investigator said.

“Even if the law was retroactively changed to grant citizenship (but not ‘natural-born’ citizenship) to some of those who had at birth been denied it. If a person is not at the time of his birth an American citizen, he cannot be a natural-born citizen. Therefore, that person is ineligible under Article II, Section1 for the Office of President of the United States,” the report concluded.

Here is the “Certification of Live Birth” presented by Obama:

image: http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg

Short-form “Certification of Live Birth”
And here is an image of an actual long-form Hawaiian birth certificate from the same hospital President Obama reports he was born at from the day after the president’s birth:

image: http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif

Photostat of Susan Nordyke’s 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)
The report warned of the possible ramifications, including invalid president orders and appointments.

“The only way out of the present constitutional crisis is for Obama to do as McCain did when he was confronted by far less pressing doubts about the circumstances of his birth. He must disclose his vault birth certificate. Since the document has been so suspiciously withheld for so long, it should be subjected to rigorous forensic tests,” the report said.

But raising a red flag that cannot be ignored are several other circumstances, the investigator said. One is that one of Obama’s top advisers, John O. Brennen, heads a firm that was cited for breaching State Department passport files belonging to Obama.

Further relevant information “may” be obtained from a Washington Times report that a key witness in the passport investigation was found dead.

The Times said Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who was cooperating with investigators, was found dead inside a car in front of a Washington church.

The report said, “City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.”


Read more at Count the ways to get Hawaii ‘birth certificate’

Ah, WND? Even WND said Obama's certification of live birth is "authentic"...

A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.​

And no, Hawaii does not issue birth certificates to foreign born folks which indicate they were born in Hawaii. Hawaii did issue birth certificates to foreign born folks but it indicated their place of birth.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]


http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm


Count the ways to get Hawaii ‘birth certificate’

So what? That doesn't contradict what I said.

 

[washamericom]

(1776 Channel) NBC White House correspondent Savannah Guthrie, the only journalist on the planet proclaiming to have seen a paper copy of Barack Obama’s long-form Hawaii birth certificate and to have ‘touched and felt the raised seal’, has emerged as the top choice to replace embattled NBC News anchor Brian Williams, according to the Drudge Report.

Guthrie made that statement during the April 27, 2011 broadcast of NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. The title of the segment is Obama birth certificate—signed, sealed, delivered (Click to watch video).

Guthrie also uploaded to social media website UberSocial two images she claims are photographs she took at the White House of a paper copy of President Obama’s long-form Hawaii birth certificate.


4/27/11 was one of the wackiest pressers i've seen.

 

[washamericom]

Below is the BC that Obama released THREE YEARS AFTER becoming president.

Below is a random BC from the same state, same year.

Anyone who orders a BC from archives will not get an original but a photo reversal from microfiche. Notice the very raised seal visible in the bottom BC. I was born four years before the President in California and my official BC on record is a photo reversal with a palpable seal as well.

Personally, I don't care if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Kathmandu ... that ship has sailed. But the fact that he played fast-and-loose with the documents required to fulfill a Constitutional requirement will forever leave a bad-taste in people's mouths and reason for doubt.

Screaming 'Birfer!' over and over at the top of your voice doesn't remove that doubt. It only makes you look like you have doubts yourself.

By the way, you just obliterated washamericom's OP. In it, is the claim that one of the pieces of evidence that Obama's BC is fake is because the name of the hospital is wrong...

On April 27, 2011 Obama produced a birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. That birth certificate was almost immediately proven to be a computer generated forgery. Example: The name of the hospital as shown on that forged birth certificate did no exist at the time Obama was born. That name came into existence some seventen years later with the merger of two hospitals.​

... but you just posted someone else's birth certificate from the day after Obama was born and it lists the exact same hospital name that appears on Obama's birth certificate.



You birfers crack me up!

the family and the obama campaign website and snopes had it wrong, until they changed it.

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

 

[washamericom]

Obama Keyes | User Clip | C-SPAN.org
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i'll listen to these tonight to see if obama said so what, i'm running for senator not president. in 2004



if it's true, it dates birther back to three years before the mark penn memo.

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007

The Mark Penn memo was not about birtherism. It was about him living overseas as a child.

there was no official birtherism then, but exploiting "lack of American roots" was on the radar.

 

[Faun]

By the way, you just obliterated washamericom's OP. In it, is the claim that one of the pieces of evidence that Obama's BC is fake is because the name of the hospital is wrong...

On April 27, 2011 Obama produced a birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. That birth certificate was almost immediately proven to be a computer generated forgery. Example: The name of the hospital as shown on that forged birth certificate did no exist at the time Obama was born. That name came into existence some seventen years later with the merger of two hospitals.​

... but you just posted someone else's birth certificate from the day after Obama was born and it lists the exact same hospital name that appears on Obama's birth certificate.



You birfers crack me up!

the family and the obama campaign website and snopes had it wrong, until they changed it.

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

 

[washamericom]

President Obama made a special request to Hawaii- which does not normally provide certified photocopies of birth certificates- and Hawaii provided it.

You need a certified copy of your birth certificate to get a passport. To join the military. To obtain certain government jobs. The Hawaiian state government must be making a LOT of exceptions because I'm pretty sure hundreds of thousands of Hawaiians have done at least one of those things.

You're saying that the state of Hawaii couldn't respond to a special request from the President of the United States until three years into his first term? That sounds fairly seditious to me. Is Hawaii controlled by a vast right-wing conspiracy?

that whole special waiver story was a ruse. anyone could get their long form via foia.

 

[washamericom]

the family and the obama campaign website and snopes had it wrong, until they changed it.

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

it's just one of a thousand of things.

 

[Syriusly]

President Obama made a special request to Hawaii- which does not normally provide certified photocopies of birth certificates- and Hawaii provided it.

You need a certified copy of your birth certificate to get a passport. To join the military. To obtain certain government jobs. The Hawaiian state government must be making a LOT of exceptions because I'm pretty sure hundreds of thousands of Hawaiians have done at least one of those things.

You're saying that the state of Hawaii couldn't respond to a special request from the President of the United States until three years into his first term? That sounds fairly seditious to me. Is Hawaii controlled by a vast right-wing conspiracy?

that whole special waiver story was a ruse. anyone could get their long form via foia.

And by 'ruse'- you mean official policy of the State of Hawaii, confirmed repeatedly by both the Republican and Democrat Directors of Health of Hawaii.

Birthers- lol

 

[Syriusly]

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

it's just one of a thousand of things.

For Birthers its always 'a thousand things'- none of them true- but 'a thousand things'