obama birth certificate: more investigation request

[Faun]

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

it's just one of a thousand of things.

Your exaggeration aside, it all comes down to one ...

 

[washamericom]

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

She never said Mombassa- not once. Just another Birther lie.

An American tried to trick her into saying that Obama was born in Kenya- and failed- but claimed she had said anyway.

it's in the transcripts governor.

Thats not a transcript- that is Youtube. This is a transcript

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf

VOICE (in background): It is here.
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MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think--
VOICE (in background): (unintelligible)
BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to
know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah,
he was born. Were they they there then?
(Male voice in foreign language in background.)
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was.
22
She was
present when Obama was born.
23
(McRae catches breath)
MCRAE: OK.
24
Uh, when I come in December
I would like to go by the, the
place, the hospital where he is born.
Uh, could you tell me where he was
born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background:
"naah?")
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help.
26
I think, uh I think, I kind of,
you know we'll be coming December (unintelligible
27
) and Vitalis, and I
talking to him, so I tell him--
28
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): --no, no--
what?!?
BROTHER TOM: --that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you
were a little, a little, a little American bus--
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding
distressed): No--yes--
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in
Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts wa
s he born? I, I thought he was
born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.
(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same
time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)
VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR
ANOTHER WOMAN
(background):
Hawaii.
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BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOT
HER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in
Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his
father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama,
was sh--was she present? Was, was
Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she,
was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would
you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she sa
id she was present when he was
born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the
woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in
Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
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MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because
the grandmother was married
here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the
little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I--I ju
st, I misunderstood what she was
saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present th
ere. The present with me here
was tonight. Not present so she can leave.
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No she was here in Kenya while
he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be
present if it--
WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: --was in America there, why are they for,
32
theygo, they go, they go to some place,
then the present isn't here sir,
33
he was born there in America.

it could have been anyone's grandmother on the other end. not a smoking gun, just another of a thousand things.

 

[Faun]

And by family, you mean a half sister who didn't know what hospital her half brother was born in; and by Obama campaign website, you mean folks who managed his site who were told by someone, possibly that same half sister, the incorrect name of the hospital, right?

And of course, none of that matters since he presented his official record of birth, provided and certified by the good state of Hawaii. Indicating all we needed to know about him -- that he was at least 35 years of age and born in the U.S.

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

She never said Mombassa- not once. Just another Birther lie.

An American tried to trick her into saying that Obama was born in Kenya- and failed- but claimed she had said anyway.

You are 100% correct. My bad.

 

[washamericom]

That's an original document ... not a copy. Raised seal, watermarked, and written on a San Serif typewriter in 1961?

Impressive.

My certified Birth Certificate from 1957, which I had to produce to join the US Navy in 1975, is a copy of a microfiche copy of a typewritten document.

Nope, you're wrong again. It's a copy -- certified in 2007, as indicated on the backside of the above document ...

Well it's got a rubber stamp. So that proves it.

LOL Birthers.

When confronted with the facts.....well Birthers don't know what to do with facts....

why don't you take a swing at those image groupings. i wish historian dude was still around.

Why the hell would i care about Birther idiocy about image groupings?

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed Barack Obama was born there and that the BC is authentic.

Why do you believe that the State of Hawaii is lying?

well, it's kind of the crux of the thread, why are you here ?

anyway she was present when he was born somewhere.
the administration was capable of orchestrating and executing grand conspiracies, as with benghazi.

i think Abercrombie is complicit.

 

[Faun]

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

She never said Mombassa- not once. Just another Birther lie.

An American tried to trick her into saying that Obama was born in Kenya- and failed- but claimed she had said anyway.

it's in the transcripts governor.

Great, at what time in that video does she say Obama was born in Mombassa?

 

[washamericom]

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae):

No! Obama was not born in
Mombasa! He was born in America!


heh...

 

[Faun]

Nope, you're wrong again. It's a copy -- certified in 2007, as indicated on the backside of the above document ...

Well it's got a rubber stamp. So that proves it.

LOL Birthers.

When confronted with the facts.....well Birthers don't know what to do with facts....

why don't you take a swing at those image groupings. i wish historian dude was still around.

Why the hell would i care about Birther idiocy about image groupings?

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed Barack Obama was born there and that the BC is authentic.

Why do you believe that the State of Hawaii is lying?

well, it's kind of the crux of the thread, why are you here ?

anyway she was present when he was born somewhere.

You're assuming she wasn't first confused by the question and thought they were asking about Obama Sr. The question to her was -- "was she present when he was born in Kenya?"

Why would she think he was asking about Obama Jr. since he wasn't born in Kenya?

It was a trick question meant to confuse an old lady; so it's no surprise you are confused by her answer.

 

[washamericom]

wait, was the grandmother in Hawaii , at one of those hospitals ??

 

[Faun]

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae):

No! Obama was not born in
Mombasa! He was born in America!


heh...

And how does, "Obama was not born in Mombassa" become, "Obama was born in Mombassa?"

 

[Faun]

wait, was the grandmother in Hawaii ??

Don't know; but then you don't know how the word, "present," translates into Swahili.

Google translator translates "present" into the Swahili, "sasa." But then it translates the Swahili, "sasa," to the English, "now."

You're actually ignoring Obama's certified Hawaiian certification of live birth; and instead, banking on an old lady, who speaks no English, who was asked a trick question through an interpreter, whose translation back into English came across as "she was present when Obama was born." Even worse for your birfer nonsense, when the question was clarified and she was asked "could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?"

She said, "No. Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America."

Asked again, "Whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya?"

the translator repeats, "No he was born in America, not in Mombasa."

McRae, still hoping to trip her up, asks again, "Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya."

And again, she says, "Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii."

And speaking of words lost in translation, McRae asks her to clarify what she meant by saying she was "present" when Obama was born...

The translator clarifies, "no, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America."

 

[Faun]

i didn't know maya was involved with the campaign. and in all fairness the grandmother didn't say hawaii at all, but mombassa.

natural born is a separate issue.

Why lie? His grandmother also said Hawaii. She first said Mombasa but then corrected herself.

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

She never said Mombassa- not once. Just another Birther lie.

An American tried to trick her into saying that Obama was born in Kenya- and failed- but claimed she had said anyway.

it's in the transcripts governor.

Unless to deceive, why play an edited copy? Here's the full untouched recording...



and here's the full transcript...

(Phone ringing.)

BROTHER TOM: Hello.

MCRAE: Uh, Bother Tom. Brother Tom, this is Brother McRae.

BROTHER TOM: Yes.

MCRAE: OK, how are you today?

BROTHER TOM: Oh, we are OK. How are you?

MCRAE: I am doing very well. You said you are there with, uh, uh, uh,  Barack Obama’s grandmother.

BROTHER TOM: Yes, yeah I’m, I am just at the home now with everybody here. We are, uh, we’re waiting to talk to you a rather long conversation, and uh, ask things of you in America there. Vitalis Akech comes from a very, uh, Vitalis is from a good family and he is ready to talk.

MCRAE: Well good. Uh, she’s not there at, at the present?

BROTHER TOM: Yes, she is here right now.

VOICE (in background): But she is unable to speak (unintelligible).

MCRAE: OK.

BROTHER TOM: But she is not able to speak English.

MCRAE: Is--

BROTHER TOM: Yes.

MCRAE: Is it possible to speak to her?

BROTHER TOM: Yes, if you can put all your questions in, oh, ah, only me to, to--see, she only understands, and to know and speak Swahili.

MCRAE: Uh, is it possible for you to put her on the speakerphone and translate for me?

BROTHER TOM: Yes. Yeah, yeah I can do that.

MCRAE: OK.

(sound of equipment moving)

BROTHER TOM: Yes?

MCRAE: OK?

BROTHER TOM: Yeah, OK.

(Brother Tom in background speaking in foreign language)

MCRAE: Ah--

(Mrs. Obama’s voice in the background in a foreign language)

MCRAE: Miss--

(voices in background)

MCRAE: Miss Obama--

(Foreign language in background continues, and Mrs. Obama.)

VOICE (in background): McRae.

MCRAE: Uh, Mrs. Obama, my name is Bishop Ron McRae.

BROTHER TOM (in background): I think I (unintelligible) her, ah, Bishop

John Mc-Ray-ah. John Mc-Ray-ah.

MALE VOICE (in background): Mc-Ray-ah.

BROTHER TOM (in background): Yea-ah.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRea): Go ahead?

MCRAE: I am, I am, the, I am the Bishop of the Anabaptists Churches of North America.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background): In this whole world, that is what he says? (unintelligible/foreign language)

(Mrs. Obama in background.)

VOICE: Are you listening, ready to speak, but (unintelligible) in?--No no! --Are you, are you, are you speaking English? Can you speak a little bit slow, OK?

MCRAE: Now give me that again? Explain it to me again?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: She says welcome. (Pause.) She is very grateful for, for, for your, ah, great people sir.

MCRAE: OK thank you. Tell her I count it a great honor to speak to her, uh, since her son Barack Obama is running for president of the United States.

VOICE (in background): Eh, what do you know, do you know wha--, where he comes from, uh?

VOICE (in background): To visit the president's mother. America.

(Mrs. Obama in background.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, she is very informed for that and you please pray for Obama. She is asking you to pray for him, for Obama.

MCRAE: Yes sir. Uh, Miss Obama, you, you can rest assured that I am praying for your son. Uh, your grandson.

(slight pause)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, yes, how supportive toward her there are also a feeling to her.

MCRAE: OK.

VOICE (speaking to someone in background): Only a moment, don't worry.

(Mrs. Obama in background.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: So, she says she is very welcome for your prayer please grant to her and her son.

MCRAE: OK. And--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: You know--uh-huh?--

MCRAE: And tell her that I will be coming there in December. I would like to come by and meet with her and pray with her.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Yeah--

(foreign words in background.)

BROTHER TOM (in background): In December, when in December. He is coming in December and that he wants to come and talk with you. Eh--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.

(Mrs. Obama speaking in background.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Oh, she says yes, yes well come here. You are coming in December so that you can talk together, with her.

MCRAE: Amen. I, I'm, I'm so thankful.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes.

MCRAE: Uh, could I ask her, uh, could I ask her about his, uh, his, his, his actual birthplace. I would like to see his birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she, was she, was she present when he was--

VOICE (in background): It is here.

MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think--

VOICE (in background): (unintelligible)

BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah, he was born. Were they they there then?

(Male voice in foreign language in background.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was. She was present when Obama was born.

(McRae catches breath)

MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: "naah?")

BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we'll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): --no, no-- what?!?

BROTHER TOM: --that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No--yes--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!

MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born. (two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)

VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.

BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.

MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh--was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?

MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.

MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I--I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it--

WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: --was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn't here sir, he was born there in America.

MCRAE: OK. Well tell, tell her I would like to come by and see her when I am there in December. I would love to, uh, meet her personally and pray with her.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (short pause) When will you soon be sending? (slight pause) Yes, when you come in December--

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: So you can, when do you, when you come, what time?

MCRAE: Yeah, when I, when I come in December I would love to come by and visit with her and uh, pray with her while I am there in, uh, Kisuma.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, when you come in December you find her here.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Once you, you give her a present they, they hoping that they know when you are coming.

MCRAE: OK. D-, d-, does she have a, does she have a Swahili Bible?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Huh?

MCRAE: Does Mrs. Obama, does, does she she have a Swahili Bible?

(Brother Tom's voice in foreign language.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Yes. A Swahili Bible she has, yes.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: She has at home.

MCRAE: Alright.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes.

MCRAE: I would like to buy her a real nice large print Bible, if that would be fine.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Uh-huh?

VOICE (in background): You need to welcome him, he gets her a Union Bible, more over there, it might be Swahili. (pause, distinctly) Can it be delivered?

(Mrs. Obama in background)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, she says that is very fine. All you got to see out here it is more and more hideous so there is nothing better than to read. To give it now?

(pause)

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (gently): No? Yes?

MCRAE: Alright, I didn’t, I didn’t quite understand all of that.

(pause)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Oh?

MCRAE: Can she read Swahili?

(background voice in foreign language, and Mrs. Obama)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, yeah, she, yeah, she, she can understands Swahili or Luo.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: But she can--she cannot read it.

MCRAE: OK, alright.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Someone reads it in Luo so she completely understands.

MCRAE: OK alright. Well tell her its been a pleasure to talk to her. Are you, are you, uh, s-- who am I speaking with right now?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Huh?

MCRAE: Who am I speaking with right now? Are you, are you kin to--

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (unintelligible) you are speaking with Vitalis Akech.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Vitalis Akech is uh, a third grandson to Miss Sarah.

MCRAE: Oh OK, alright, it’s, it's a pleasure to meet you.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: My home, my home is just a, a distance so the Grand-, Grandmother's her house home is most home. Just we, just we do favors.

MCRAE: OK good. Well its been a pleasure talking to you. Uh, please tell Mrs. Obama that I will be praying for her and I will be praying for her son.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Thank you, right now?

VOICE (in background): Right now?

(Voice in background, foreign language)

(Mrs. Obama in background.)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: So, she says if you are willing to come here, your (unintelligible), and she really hopes for it, eh?

MCRAE: Amen.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Amen.

MCRAE: Alright, may the Lord bless her very much.

(Translator Ogombe in background, foreign language)

MRS. OBAMA (in background, loudly): Amen, amen, amen.

MCRAE: Amen. OK.

MRS. OBAMA (in background): sata sata, eh, ar sata yesu nah koh baraki.

BROTHER TOM: Hello?

MCRAE: Hello? What did she say?

BROTHER TOM: Did you hear her, ah--yes?

MCRAE: What did she just say?

BROTHER TOM: She was saying that uh, God bless you you're welcome. She was talking in a loc—in a local language.

MCRAE: OK, Amen. Alright, hey Tom—

BROTHER TOM: Uh, yes.

MCRAE: --Brother Tom, I will call you back here just in, in about five or ten minutes. I will call you back personally.

BROTHER TOM: OK, let you, ah, is there anything that you, you, you answer, uh, maybe to, to, to me, these, was there anything, and even, even the others, even the other brothers here, and uh the, the, even the other grand-, there is another grand-uh-son who is here, and uh, so many people in the room that is from Kogela all over.

MCRAE: Amen. Well--

BROTHER TOM: Yes.

MCRAE: Ah--I will look forward to meeting all of them when I come in December. Uh, I am a preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ and I would like to, uh, meet with all of them as a family, and perchance talk to them about Jesus Christ and the salvation that is in Jesus Christ alone.

(background foreign language)

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Oh, she says he is welcome here. So you are, you are preaching and she hopes that you will do so--heh? Amen.

MCRAE: Amen. Amen. May the Lord bless all of you.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Thank you.

MCRAE: Alright, may God bless you. Bye-bye.

BROTHER TOM: OK. OK.

MCRAE: Alright Tom, I’ll call you back here shortly.

BROTHER TOM: Yes, OK, Uh, I am, I am, I am with Vitalis, and uh I think we're leaving, and uh, you call us in about a, a half an hour, alright?

MCRAE: OK I will do that. Alright thank you very much Tom.

BROTHER TOM: You're welcome.

MCRAE: Alright, bye-bye.

BROTHER TOM: You're fine.

[END]

 

[LA RAM FAN]

back in the day we had the obots to try to explain videos like this. they're all gone.

You want that explained again? OK.
1.) The video is a bunch of lies presented by RWNJs.
2.) For further questions, see #1

Prove your claims.

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

LOL- why should anyone explain to you- AGAIN- that what you have been told by Birthers are lies?

There is not a single incident of Obama ever claiming he was born in Kenya.

Not one.

Just all Birther lies.

Meanwhile- he has repeatedly described his place of birth as Hawaii- going back to 1990. Long before he got involved in politics.

this post here below that i said to the OP applies to you as well.

how about YOU moving on and and worrying about more important government corruption going on right NOW instead of living in the past for a request?

neither one of you clowns obviously can let this go and just go back and forth on it with each other,two clowns who clearly cant forget the past and and dont care about about whats going on NOW.

 

[Syriusly]

whoopsie daisy.

LOLOL

So what? She was an old lady being questioned through an interpreter. After her confusing answer, she was asked again to clarify and volunteered, "Hawaii."

Which, by no sheer coincidence, matches his record of birth from the state of Hawaii.

She never said Mombassa- not once. Just another Birther lie.

An American tried to trick her into saying that Obama was born in Kenya- and failed- but claimed she had said anyway.

it's in the transcripts governor.

Thats not a transcript- that is Youtube. This is a transcript

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf

VOICE (in background): It is here.
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MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think--
VOICE (in background): (unintelligible)
BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to
know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah,
he was born. Were they they there then?
(Male voice in foreign language in background.)
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was.
22
She was
present when Obama was born.
23
(McRae catches breath)
MCRAE: OK.
24
Uh, when I come in December
I would like to go by the, the
place, the hospital where he is born.
Uh, could you tell me where he was
born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background:
"naah?")
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help.
26
I think, uh I think, I kind of,
you know we'll be coming December (unintelligible
27
) and Vitalis, and I
talking to him, so I tell him--
28
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): --no, no--
what?!?
BROTHER TOM: --that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you
were a little, a little, a little American bus--
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding
distressed): No--yes--
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in
Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts wa
s he born? I, I thought he was
born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.
(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same
time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)
VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR
ANOTHER WOMAN
(background):
Hawaii.
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BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOT
HER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in
Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his
father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama,
was sh--was she present? Was, was
Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she,
was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would
you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she sa
id she was present when he was
born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the
woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in
Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
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MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because
the grandmother was married
here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the
little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I--I ju
st, I misunderstood what she was
saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present th
ere. The present with me here
was tonight. Not present so she can leave.
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No she was here in Kenya while
he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be
present if it--
WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: --was in America there, why are they for,
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theygo, they go, they go to some place,
then the present isn't here sir,
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he was born there in America.

it could have been anyone's grandmother on the other end. not a smoking gun, just another of a thousand things.

For conspiracy theorists it is always 'another of a thousand things'

That is why there are still 9/11 Truthers and people believing that the government is hiding aliens in Area 51.

 

[Syriusly]

Nope, you're wrong again. It's a copy -- certified in 2007, as indicated on the backside of the above document ...

Well it's got a rubber stamp. So that proves it.

LOL Birthers.

When confronted with the facts.....well Birthers don't know what to do with facts....

why don't you take a swing at those image groupings. i wish historian dude was still around.

Why the hell would i care about Birther idiocy about image groupings?

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed Barack Obama was born there and that the BC is authentic.

Why do you believe that the State of Hawaii is lying?

well, it's kind of the crux of the thread, why are you here ?

To show what liars Birthers are.

Why do you believe that the State of Hawaii is lying?

 

[Syriusly]

Nope, you're wrong again. It's a copy -- certified in 2007, as indicated on the backside of the above document ...

Well it's got a rubber stamp. So that proves it.

LOL Birthers.

When confronted with the facts.....well Birthers don't know what to do with facts....

why don't you take a swing at those image groupings. i wish historian dude was still around.

Why the hell would i care about Birther idiocy about image groupings?

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed Barack Obama was born there and that the BC is authentic.

Why do you believe that the State of Hawaii is lying?

i think Abercrombie is complicit.

Abercrombie didn't provide the birth certificate- nor was he the first governor to confirm that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii- the first governor to state Barack Obama was was born in Hawaii was a Republican- as was the first Director of Health to confirm that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Tell me more about this conspiracy that includes both a Republican and Democratic governor, and a Republican and a Democratic Director of Health- and the Hawaiian Registrar of voters- a civil servant.

Tell us more why you believe the unverified rantings of a whacko anti-abortion American preacher- but not the Republican Director of Health of Hawaii?

 

[Syriusly]

wait, was the grandmother in Hawaii , at one of those hospitals ??

Well Barack Obama's actual grandmother was in Hawaii when he was born- his maternal grandmother.

Sarah Obama is not Barack Obama's grandmother- she is his step grandmother- and as she clearly stated- she was in Kenya when he was born in Hawaii.

 

[Syriusly]

You want that explained again? OK.
1.) The video is a bunch of lies presented by RWNJs.
2.) For further questions, see #1

Prove your claims.

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

LOL- why should anyone explain to you- AGAIN- that what you have been told by Birthers are lies?

There is not a single incident of Obama ever claiming he was born in Kenya.

Not one.

Just all Birther lies.

Meanwhile- he has repeatedly described his place of birth as Hawaii- going back to 1990. Long before he got involved in politics.

how about YOU moving on and and worrying about more important government corruption going on right NOW instead of living in the past for a request?

How about you moving on and not worrying about what i post?

Birthers are pet peeve of mine, and I will stop addressing Birther lies when Birthers stop lying.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Prove your claims.

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

LOL- why should anyone explain to you- AGAIN- that what you have been told by Birthers are lies?

There is not a single incident of Obama ever claiming he was born in Kenya.

Not one.

Just all Birther lies.

Meanwhile- he has repeatedly described his place of birth as Hawaii- going back to 1990. Long before he got involved in politics.

how about YOU moving on and and worrying about more important government corruption going on right NOW instead of living in the past for a request?

How about you moving on and not worrying about what i post?

Birthers are pet peeve of mine, and I will stop addressing Birther lies when Birthers stop lying.

you are in denial and afraid of the truth that a foreigner was our president and you really ARE obsessed over him the same way he is obsessed over this issue.


you two really really should consider getting a room together.

 

[Syriusly]

No need. Any sane person knows all that birther crap is just that.......crap. If you still believe it, you have mental problems that I'm not capable of treating.

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

LOL- why should anyone explain to you- AGAIN- that what you have been told by Birthers are lies?

There is not a single incident of Obama ever claiming he was born in Kenya.

Not one.

Just all Birther lies.

Meanwhile- he has repeatedly described his place of birth as Hawaii- going back to 1990. Long before he got involved in politics.

how about YOU moving on and and worrying about more important government corruption going on right NOW instead of living in the past for a request?

How about you moving on and not worrying about what i post?

Birthers are pet peeve of mine, and I will stop addressing Birther lies when Birthers stop lying.

you are in denial and afraid of the truth that a foreigner was our president and you really ARE obsessed over him the

LOL

Why do you think that someone born in Hawaii is a foreigner?

You do realize Hawaii is part of the United States- don't you?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Can you explain why all of Obama's early life - before he entered into politics - he himself - claimed to be born in Kenya?

I've been waiting for a libtard to explain that one away for years.

LOL- why should anyone explain to you- AGAIN- that what you have been told by Birthers are lies?

There is not a single incident of Obama ever claiming he was born in Kenya.

Not one.

Just all Birther lies.

Meanwhile- he has repeatedly described his place of birth as Hawaii- going back to 1990. Long before he got involved in politics.

how about YOU moving on and and worrying about more important government corruption going on right NOW instead of living in the past for a request?

How about you moving on and not worrying about what i post?

Birthers are pet peeve of mine, and I will stop addressing Birther lies when Birthers stop lying.

you are in denial and afraid of the truth that a foreigner was our president and you really ARE obsessed over him the

LOL

Why do you think that someone born in Hawaii is a foreigner?

You do realize Hawaii is part of the United States- don't you?

the OP has took you to school on this too many times in the past,not about to waste my time and breath on someone who only sees what they want to see and covers their ears and closes their eyes to facts only seeing what they WANT to see.

you brainless sheep are as as bad as the bush dupes who only see what they want to see when looking at facts about 9/11 being an inside job always doing this-changing the subject when you cant refute them.


I got tired of this discussion YEARS ago same as I did with 9/11 because they are BOTH over and done with and as i said,unlike you and the OP,i am not obsessed with this issue and would much rather talk about the government corruption going on NOW than something from the past like how Trump is the latest puppet of the establishment and HIS crimes

i am not hear to discuss this old boring topic,only to laugh at your stupidity for being as obsessed over the OP the same way he is over this long dead issue that is irrelveent with him out of office now.


unlike you and the OP,"I" would rather talk about NOW like the crimes Trump is commiting NOW in the PRESENT than live in the past as you two do.

again,seriously,get a room together.


OUT.