obama birth certificate: this one goes to eleven...

[Redfish]

What you "see" is irrelevant. Obama’s COLB appears on his website and you want to argue how it got there rather than its validity after Trump [finally] acknowledged it's authentic.

Hell not as if Trump actually even said it is authentic.

Remember Trump never apologizes for any of his idiocy- especially not his Birther idiocy.

Just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism.

The Clinton campaign started the birther controversy in 2008. That is proven and well documented, even the Clinton news network CNN confirmed that FACT..

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

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Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

 

[Faun]

So Obama's grandmother is a liar, right? you know, the grandmother who died two days after barry made an emergency trip to Hawaii to "visit" her.

It really doesn't matter at this point, Obama has damaged this country in many ways as he planned from the beginning. Continue to worship your half black messiah if it makes you feel good, but he will always have the distinction of being THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

No, Obama's grandmother is not the liar. As always, you are the liar.

As far as your opinion that Obama is the worst president in history ... who cares what an unabashed liar like you thinks? Especially in light of his job approval being about the same as Reagan's was at this same point in his presidency. Which of course means -- if Obama is the worst president in history... then so was Reagan.

Redfish can't help kazzing.

Its all he has.

how many people were polled on obozo's job approval, and who were they?

I could pick out 1000 people who would give him zero and then post the Redfish poll saying he has zero job approval and is truly the worst president in history.

My point is that pollsters can get any result their clients pay them to get, and even with that built in bias, Trump now beats Hillary nationally. Sorry dude, you dems could be in for a bloodbath in November.

Approximately thr same number of folks who were polled when Reagan was president.

And which president is paying Gallup to perform job approval polls?

so you don't know and don't care--------got it.

It was about the same as Reagan's and the results were about the same. If Obama is the worst then Reagan is right there with him.

 

[Syriusly]

Hell not as if Trump actually even said it is authentic.

Remember Trump never apologizes for any of his idiocy- especially not his Birther idiocy.

Just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism.

The Clinton campaign started the birther controversy in 2008. That is proven and well documented, even the Clinton news network CNN confirmed that FACT..

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

 

[Faun]

Hell not as if Trump actually even said it is authentic.

Remember Trump never apologizes for any of his idiocy- especially not his Birther idiocy.

Just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism.

The Clinton campaign started the birther controversy in 2008. That is proven and well documented, even the Clinton news network CNN confirmed that FACT..

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

Bullshit. Find something earlier than ...

FR CONTEST: "Pin the Middle Name on the Obama"

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.


391 posted on 3/1/2008, 459 AM by FARS​

 

[Syriusly]

The Clinton campaign started the birther controversy in 2008. That is proven and well documented, even the Clinton news network CNN confirmed that FACT..

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

Bullshit. Find something earlier than ...

FR CONTEST: "Pin the Middle Name on the Obama"

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.


391 posted on 3/1/2008, 459 AM by FARS​

Remember- Redfish is not allowed to post unless he lies, speculates or uses innuendo.

Like all good Birthers.

 

[Redfish]

No, Obama's grandmother is not the liar. As always, you are the liar.

As far as your opinion that Obama is the worst president in history ... who cares what an unabashed liar like you thinks? Especially in light of his job approval being about the same as Reagan's was at this same point in his presidency. Which of course means -- if Obama is the worst president in history... then so was Reagan.

Redfish can't help kazzing.

Its all he has.

how many people were polled on obozo's job approval, and who were they?

I could pick out 1000 people who would give him zero and then post the Redfish poll saying he has zero job approval and is truly the worst president in history.

My point is that pollsters can get any result their clients pay them to get, and even with that built in bias, Trump now beats Hillary nationally. Sorry dude, you dems could be in for a bloodbath in November.

Approximately thr same number of folks who were polled when Reagan was president.

And which president is paying Gallup to perform job approval polls?

so you don't know and don't care--------got it.

It was about the same as Reagan's and the results were about the same. If Obama is the worst then Reagan is right there with him.

since you hate Reagan, that should make you happy.

 

[Redfish]

The Clinton campaign started the birther controversy in 2008. That is proven and well documented, even the Clinton news network CNN confirmed that FACT..

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

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Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

 

[Redfish]

bringing this back up now is just another failed dem/lib attempt to deflect and distract from Hillary's terrible campaign, her mental and physical illnesses and the FACT that Trump is now beating her in national polls and most of the swing states.

We get it, you are fooling no one. Even some of the left wing media is turning on the hildebeast. Its almost over, Monday night will seal a Trump victory.

 

[Redfish]

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

Bullshit. Find something earlier than ...

FR CONTEST: "Pin the Middle Name on the Obama"

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.


391 posted on 3/1/2008, 459 AM by FARS​

Remember- Redfish is not allowed to post unless he lies, speculates or uses innuendo.

Like all good Birthers.

do you and faun fondle each other as you type? or is it a three way with jakey boi (or his sock rightwinger).

 

[Faun]

Redfish can't help kazzing.

Its all he has.

how many people were polled on obozo's job approval, and who were they?

I could pick out 1000 people who would give him zero and then post the Redfish poll saying he has zero job approval and is truly the worst president in history.

My point is that pollsters can get any result their clients pay them to get, and even with that built in bias, Trump now beats Hillary nationally. Sorry dude, you dems could be in for a bloodbath in November.

Approximately thr same number of folks who were polled when Reagan was president.

And which president is paying Gallup to perform job approval polls?

so you don't know and don't care--------got it.

It was about the same as Reagan's and the results were about the same. If Obama is the worst then Reagan is right there with him.

since you hate Reagan, that should make you happy.

Can ya get more retarded? I don't think so.

I voted for Reagan, ya moron. Why do you think I hate him?

And I voted for Obama. Two presidents with about the same job approval rating at this same point in their respective presidencies.

About twice as high as Bush's was at this point ... did you vote for that loser?

 

[Faun]

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

View attachment 90565

Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

I showed you where it appeared on a Republican website in early 2008. You failed to show anything earlier.

 

[Faun]

bringing this back up now is just another failed dem/lib attempt to deflect and distract from Hillary's terrible campaign, her mental and physical illnesses and the FACT that Trump is now beating her in national polls and most of the swing states.

We get it, you are fooling no one. Even some of the left wing media is turning on the hildebeast. Its almost over, Monday night will seal a Trump victory.

Is it unfair to bring up topics Crazy Donald's been talking about for years now?

 

[Faun]

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

Bullshit. Find something earlier than ...

FR CONTEST: "Pin the Middle Name on the Obama"

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.


391 posted on 3/1/2008, 459 AM by FARS​

Remember- Redfish is not allowed to post unless he lies, speculates or uses innuendo.

Like all good Birthers.

do you and faun fondle each other as you type? or is it a three way with jakey boi (or his sock rightwinger).

No, but like so many conservatives who post here, I see you can't keep your gay fantasies to yourself. How sad.

 

[Care4all]

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

View attachment 90565

Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

NOT that it matters what Donald ever claims....the Clinton campaign DID NOT START it, stop lying!

lot's to read beyond what I posted at the link....

No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

As we’ve previously reported, there were possibly two occasions when die-hard Clinton supporters might have circulated the rumor about where Obama was born. The first case came in April 2008 in the heat of the Democratic primary and the second after Clinton had dropped out of the race on June 3, 2008. There were press reports that in April 2008, a Clinton volunteer forwarded a birther email. The volunteer has never been identified and and some, such as grassroots Democratic blogger Joseph Cannon, question whether the email actually existed.


The later episode mainly played out in a few posts on the website of Clinton backers who ignored her call for party unity. (They operated under the acronym PUMA, which stood for Party Unity My Ass.) A Clinton supporter, Linda Starr, spread the rumor and joined in a lawsuit that ultimately was thrown out of court.


While some Clinton critics argue that anyone tied to the campaign is part of the campaign, that rings hollow when the perpetrator is unknown or if the actions took place after the campaign had been suspended.


Again, none of this adds up to the Clinton campaign or Clinton herself promoting the rumor. Furthermore, while disgruntled Clinton supporters played a role in spreading the birther theory, evidence suggests they didn’t create it, according to Georgia attorney Loren Collins, who’s been tracking the origins of birtherism for years.


(We should note that Collins is running for president as a write-in candidate, who says his only goal is to keep Donald Trump from becoming president. He describes himself as fiscally conservative with libertarian social views.)


The ‘founding father of birtherism’


As with any rumor, it’s difficult to state definitively where exactly false information began. Collins does, however, pinpoint the date birtherism really gained widespread attention: June 9, 2008, upon the publication of a National Review article and six days after Clinton conceded.


Inaccurate references to Obama’s non-U.S. birthplace had sporadically appeared years before 2008, but these were often offhanded and didn’t allege conspiracy. Then in the spring of 2008, says Collins, birtherism began floating around in right-wing blogs, through the promotion of one man in particular.


Collins traced it all back to a prolific anti-Muslim blogger and the "founding father of birtherism," who used the pseudonym Alan Peters. (Collins believes Peters’ actual identity is Ali Pahlavan, a Sante Ana resident who died in 2014.)


It’s likely Peters got the idea from a comment on the popular law blog, the Volokh Conspiracy, said Collins. In a discussion about Sen. John McCain being born in Panama, a reader posed Obama’s Kenyan birthplace as a hypothetical on Feb. 29, 2008. A day later, a commentator whom Collins strongly suspects is also Peters floated it as a fact on the right-wing forum Free Republic.


Then in early March, Peters wrote in a blog post stressing Obama’s "Arab affiliations" that Obama’s mother "allegedly had Obama in Kenya." A month later, Peters penned a note on his other blogs alleging that Obama’s mother "gave birth to him in Kenya, immediately got on a plane and then registered as being in Hawaii."


This began to spread across several conservative forums and blogs (more examples here, here, here and here) until it reached a Snopes discussion board and the eyes of National Review columnist Jim Geraghty.


Geraghty, who previously debunked a rumor about Michelle Obama, encouraged the Obama campaign to release Barack’s birth certificate to squash all the conspiracy theories once and for all.


Though Geraghty’s June 9, 2008, piece notes that the rumor around Obama being born in Kenya is unlikely, Geraghty may have unwittingly shined a national spotlight on a fringe internet theory, according to Collins. (Back then, the fuss was all about Obama being a secret Muslim.)


"The rumor just got so little traction before June. Virtually every instance of it I could find before June (amounted to) a couple dozen," Collins said. "After the National Review piece, you had hundreds of hits within days."


Geraghty’s column was reposted by popular conservative blogger Michelle Malkin on June 10, and the Obama campaign released Obama’s short form birth certificate three days later. Still, the conspiracy theorists were not satisfied though "it was pretty much a right-wing phenomenon after October 2008," said Collins. "Then it sort of just festered."


Until Trump came along.

 

[Redfish]

how many people were polled on obozo's job approval, and who were they?

I could pick out 1000 people who would give him zero and then post the Redfish poll saying he has zero job approval and is truly the worst president in history.

My point is that pollsters can get any result their clients pay them to get, and even with that built in bias, Trump now beats Hillary nationally. Sorry dude, you dems could be in for a bloodbath in November.

Approximately thr same number of folks who were polled when Reagan was president.

And which president is paying Gallup to perform job approval polls?

so you don't know and don't care--------got it.

It was about the same as Reagan's and the results were about the same. If Obama is the worst then Reagan is right there with him.

since you hate Reagan, that should make you happy.

Can ya get more retarded? I don't think so.

I voted for Reagan, ya moron. Why do you think I hate him?

And I voted for Obama. Two presidents with about the same job approval rating at this same point in their respective presidencies.

About twice as high as Bush's was at this point ... did you vote for that loser?

I voted against Gore and Kerry. Bush was the much better choice both times.

I don't know who they poll to get these approval ratings, but I suspect that most of them come from our inner city ghettos.

I have never been polled, have you? No one I know has ever been polled on that question, do you know anyone who has been?

Do ya think that just maybe the government and the complicit media are lying to us? Think about it.

 

[Redfish]

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

View attachment 90529

Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

View attachment 90565

Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

NOT that it matters what Donald ever claims....the Clinton campaign DID NOT START it, stop lying!

lot's to read beyond what I posted at the link....

No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

As we’ve previously reported, there were possibly two occasions when die-hard Clinton supporters might have circulated the rumor about where Obama was born. The first case came in April 2008 in the heat of the Democratic primary and the second after Clinton had dropped out of the race on June 3, 2008. There were press reports that in April 2008, a Clinton volunteer forwarded a birther email. The volunteer has never been identified and and some, such as grassroots Democratic blogger Joseph Cannon, question whether the email actually existed.


The later episode mainly played out in a few posts on the website of Clinton backers who ignored her call for party unity. (They operated under the acronym PUMA, which stood for Party Unity My Ass.) A Clinton supporter, Linda Starr, spread the rumor and joined in a lawsuit that ultimately was thrown out of court.


While some Clinton critics argue that anyone tied to the campaign is part of the campaign, that rings hollow when the perpetrator is unknown or if the actions took place after the campaign had been suspended.


Again, none of this adds up to the Clinton campaign or Clinton herself promoting the rumor. Furthermore, while disgruntled Clinton supporters played a role in spreading the birther theory, evidence suggests they didn’t create it, according to Georgia attorney Loren Collins, who’s been tracking the origins of birtherism for years.


(We should note that Collins is running for president as a write-in candidate, who says his only goal is to keep Donald Trump from becoming president. He describes himself as fiscally conservative with libertarian social views.)


The ‘founding father of birtherism’


As with any rumor, it’s difficult to state definitively where exactly false information began. Collins does, however, pinpoint the date birtherism really gained widespread attention: June 9, 2008, upon the publication of a National Review article and six days after Clinton conceded.


Inaccurate references to Obama’s non-U.S. birthplace had sporadically appeared years before 2008, but these were often offhanded and didn’t allege conspiracy. Then in the spring of 2008, says Collins, birtherism began floating around in right-wing blogs, through the promotion of one man in particular.


Collins traced it all back to a prolific anti-Muslim blogger and the "founding father of birtherism," who used the pseudonym Alan Peters. (Collins believes Peters’ actual identity is Ali Pahlavan, a Sante Ana resident who died in 2014.)


It’s likely Peters got the idea from a comment on the popular law blog, the Volokh Conspiracy, said Collins. In a discussion about Sen. John McCain being born in Panama, a reader posed Obama’s Kenyan birthplace as a hypothetical on Feb. 29, 2008. A day later, a commentator whom Collins strongly suspects is also Peters floated it as a fact on the right-wing forum Free Republic.


Then in early March, Peters wrote in a blog post stressing Obama’s "Arab affiliations" that Obama’s mother "allegedly had Obama in Kenya." A month later, Peters penned a note on his other blogs alleging that Obama’s mother "gave birth to him in Kenya, immediately got on a plane and then registered as being in Hawaii."


This began to spread across several conservative forums and blogs (more examples here, here, here and here) until it reached a Snopes discussion board and the eyes of National Review columnist Jim Geraghty.


Geraghty, who previously debunked a rumor about Michelle Obama, encouraged the Obama campaign to release Barack’s birth certificate to squash all the conspiracy theories once and for all.


Though Geraghty’s June 9, 2008, piece notes that the rumor around Obama being born in Kenya is unlikely, Geraghty may have unwittingly shined a national spotlight on a fringe internet theory, according to Collins. (Back then, the fuss was all about Obama being a secret Muslim.)


"The rumor just got so little traction before June. Virtually every instance of it I could find before June (amounted to) a couple dozen," Collins said. "After the National Review piece, you had hundreds of hits within days."


Geraghty’s column was reposted by popular conservative blogger Michelle Malkin on June 10, and the Obama campaign released Obama’s short form birth certificate three days later. Still, the conspiracy theorists were not satisfied though "it was pretty much a right-wing phenomenon after October 2008," said Collins. "Then it sort of just festered."


Until Trump came along.

nice summary, and it confirms that the original birthers were Clinton staffers. Thanks for finally admitting what most americans already knew.

Yes, they were very clever and subtle about doing it. democrats are very good at deception and corruption. They are much better at it than republicans, that's why Obama won twice.

 

[Syriusly]

So you continue to believe that Donald Trump was just another gullible idiot who was fooled by Hillary Clinton?

And then just suddenly out of the blue- Trump now 'believes' Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Did he receive a visit from Jesus who told him?
Was his mail slow and he just saw the birth certificate that was posted in 2011?
Or did he decide that Birther would vote for him no matter what and he better pivot before the election so he could blame Clinton for his bizarre Birther Konspiracism

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

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Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

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Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

Trump was a candidate in 2012- and is a candidate now.

And from 2011-2016- Donald Trump himself- not his surrogates, not anonymous 'campaign volunteers', not his campaign- Donald Trump for 5 years was the chief Birther cheerleader. Trump single handedly brought Birtherism into national prominence. You must be proud.

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

 

[Syriusly]

bringing this back up now i.

Donald Trump was the one who brought this up specifically in order to blame his Birther idiocy on Hillary Clinton.

Why do you think Trump wanted to bring this up specifically now? Do you think its just because he wanted to 'pivot' from Birther crazies to try to appeal to rational voters who correctly look at Birthers like Trump like we look at the crazies at Stormfront?

From 2011-2016- Donald Trump was the Grand Dragon of Birthers- but suddenly- 'poof'- he declares he is no longer a Birther.

Was he lying before- or is he lying now?

 

[Redfish]

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

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Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008..

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

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Trump was not a candidate in 2008. Clinton's campaign staffers leaked the birther allegations. That is fact. You are FOS.

Trump was a candidate in 2012- and is a candidate now.

And from 2011-2016- Donald Trump himself- not his surrogates, not anonymous 'campaign volunteers', not his campaign- Donald Trump for 5 years was the chief Birther cheerleader. Trump single handedly brought Birtherism into national prominence. You must be proud.

The fact remains- the Clinton campaign didn't start the Birther campaign- as my link showed- but it is amusing watching Trump try to blame Clinton for his own idiocy

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It is true that Trump questioned obozo's birth place. So did millions of citizens and thousands of media people.

But as one of your fellow libs posted earlier, the link to the Clinton campaign is solid and proven. They started it, very cleverly and subtly, and they get credit for hiding their efforts, but there is no question as to who started it.

Now, who brought it up in the last few weeks? Do you know? Answer: not Trump, the Clinton campaign in a failed effort to hide her major medical issues and her crashing poll numbers, not to mention that no one comes out for her campaign stops while Trump gets thousands at his.

Everyone knows why this has come back up right now. Except maybe you.

 

[Syriusly]

Trump did not bring this back up, the Clinton campaign did in a failed attempt to take the attention away from her serious failing health and her tanking in the polls. If you cant see that then you are more stupid than I thought you were.

Trump brought this up constantly from 2011-2015- he single handedly brought Birtherism into the National spotlight- and for 5 years promoted it

But it is amusing watching Trump and his supporters blame Clinton for Trump's own Birther idiocy.
No, Hillary Clinton didn't feed the birther movement

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Trump questioned it, as did millions of other people. But the fact remains that the whole issue was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008.

you can deny that until shit turns to water, but its the truth.

Bullshit. Find something earlier than ...

FR CONTEST: "Pin the Middle Name on the Obama"

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.


391 posted on 3/1/2008, 459 AM by FARS​

Remember- Redfish is not allowed to post unless he lies, speculates or uses innuendo.

Like all good Birthers.

do you and faun fondle each other as you type? or is it a three way with jakey boi (or his sock rightwinger).

Do you lie as much as you do to compensate for your micro penis? (is that how you relate to Trump?)