obama caves again

[IndependntLogic]

Hmmm. The Catholic Church is, apparently, no overly enthusiastic about Obama's 'accommodation'. Oops.

"A step in the right direction" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Exactly. The Church isn't. The members are a different story. It's a wash.

 

[logical4u]

There was NO CAVE! This POS and his liberal/progressive drones have just defined the conception of a child as a catastrophic DISEASE!!!

Do you dipshits not know what insurance is? It's...besides being legalized extortion when local, state or federal governments MANDATE it's purchase...a hedge against catastrophic events. You are "supposedly" banking money with an insurer against the possibility of an UNAVOIDABLE catastrophic event that you can't pay out of pocket. You know, premature death in the family, cancer treatment, car wreck bigger than a bent fender or a tornado hitting your house?

As a matter of fact, the equity of whole life insurance policies USE to pay for a LOT of the retirement plans by people who planed ahead. It was money in the bank!

SCREWING leading to pregnancy DOES NOT QUALIFY as a unavoidable catastrophic event!

Birth control is cheap, it can be gotten about anywhere and there are DOZENS of government programs that give it to the "underprivileged" among us.

THIS....this, besides being an assault on the 1st amendment, is the first step toward their plan to force tax payers to pay for abortion. Plain and simple!!!!

All Obama did with this "proclamation" of compromise was shift responsibility to avoid pissing off liberal Catholics and deflect attention away from the fact that Obamacare defines the conception of children as a catastrophic disease....WHICH was the original intent of this crap all along!

Forcing ALL health care insurers and the new government option health insurance to pay for ON DEMAND ABORTION!

Now, the question is...just how STUPID are voters? Cause nearly 80% of Americans say that...even those who believe in abortion...that tax dollars should NOT pay for abortion. So the question remains, how stupid are we if we fall for this crap?

Do you know how much it costs to raise a child? About as much as cancer treatment. So either could break a person/couple. Sorry, you right wingers crashed the economy and put all the wealth in the hands of the top 1% and now you want us in the middle class to have kids when we can barely save enough to retire? This is what you get when you lower wages and the middle class turns into the working poor.

Have you not been paying attention to the Wallstreet protesters? Kids in their 20's and 30's can't afford to have children pal.

Pay them $35 hr and not $10 hr and maybe they would want to have kids.

Do you know how to avoid having children? If you can type on a thread, you can find out how to avoid having children.
Are you saying that you have no intention of having a family because you intend to keep the same skills you have now (not improve and get a better job)?
Have your President sign the Canadian pipeline deal and to allow drilling around this country and you will see higher paying jobs materialize. Do it not, and watch your wages shrink.

 

[PredFan]

There was NO CAVE! This POS and his liberal/progressive drones have just defined the conception of a child as a catastrophic DISEASE!!!

Do you dipshits not know what insurance is? It's...besides being legalized extortion when local, state or federal governments MANDATE it's purchase...a hedge against catastrophic events. You are "supposedly" banking money with an insurer against the possibility of an UNAVOIDABLE catastrophic event that you can't pay out of pocket. You know, premature death in the family, cancer treatment, car wreck bigger than a bent fender or a tornado hitting your house?

As a matter of fact, the equity of whole life insurance policies USE to pay for a LOT of the retirement plans by people who planed ahead. It was money in the bank!

SCREWING leading to pregnancy DOES NOT QUALIFY as a unavoidable catastrophic event!

Birth control is cheap, it can be gotten about anywhere and there are DOZENS of government programs that give it to the "underprivileged" among us.

THIS....this, besides being an assault on the 1st amendment, is the first step toward their plan to force tax payers to pay for abortion. Plain and simple!!!!

All Obama did with this "proclamation" of compromise was shift responsibility to avoid pissing off liberal Catholics and deflect attention away from the fact that Obamacare defines the conception of children as a catastrophic disease....WHICH was the original intent of this crap all along!

Forcing ALL health care insurers and the new government option health insurance to pay for ON DEMAND ABORTION!

Now, the question is...just how STUPID are voters? Cause nearly 80% of Americans say that...even those who believe in abortion...that tax dollars should NOT pay for abortion. So the question remains, how stupid are we if we fall for this crap?

Do you know how much it costs to raise a child? About as much as cancer treatment. So either could break a person/couple. Sorry, you right wingers crashed the economy and put all the wealth in the hands of the top 1% and now you want us in the middle class to have kids when we can barely save enough to retire? This is what you get when you lower wages and the middle class turns into the working poor.

Have you not been paying attention to the Wallstreet protesters? Kids in their 20's and 30's can't afford to have children pal.

Pay them $35 hr and not $10 hr and maybe they would want to have kids.

Do you know how to avoid having children? If you can type on a thread, you can find out how to avoid having children.
Are you saying that you have no intention of having a family because you intend to keep the same skills you have now (not improve and get a better job)?
Have your President sign the Canadian pipeline deal and to allow drilling around this country and you will see higher paying jobs materialize. Do it not, and watch your wages shrink.

When he said "The right crashed the economy" there was no reason to read any more of his ignorant drivel.

 

[francoHFW]

caving? Hes again showing his inability to lead and again the people are speaking out against his ideology of big government!! There goes insurance rates ... AGAIN!!!!!

Good point! I wonder how much insurance rates will go up to provide this "free service"?

Birth control is cheaper for insurance rates than NO birth control!! LOL!! You mean Fox (or anyone else) doesn't mention that? Well now you know controversy is more important than factual journalism, and of course that once again Pubs are lying, cheating, power mad, bought off tools of the greedy rich/corporations? No? Then you're a total tool/fool tyvm

 

[NYcarbineer]

So no one seems concerned that obamas so called compromise will force ins companies to cover these services FOR FREE.

How does he have this power? Where is the outrage?

IMO if all the rest of what is considered preventative care is free then birth control should be as well. Where is your outrage over free prostrate exams?

Does your religion forbid cancer screening? This is not about preventative care, not about diagnosis, not even about birth control. It's about that pesky phrase in the first amendment: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

You can't violate labor laws in the name of religion.

 

[California Girl]

Hmmm. The Catholic Church is, apparently, no overly enthusiastic about Obama's 'accommodation'. Oops.

"A step in the right direction" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Exactly. The Church isn't. The members are a different story. It's a wash.

It's far too early to get a solid view of how Catholics themselves will see this. Much of it will depend on how the Church responds further to their initial response. Far, far, far too early to make any predictions on the membership - and further - since this fight was taken up by many other faiths.

 

[Liability]

Brilliant take. Now piss off mutant.

I'll post what I want, where I want to whomever I want. You - and others - would do well to remember that.

Nobody cares stupid.

Except perhaps the one who had just finished telling her to piss off?

But nobody does really care that you are stupid, Plaz!



Wait. That's not what you meant?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And yet Mormons can marry more than one person!

Honestly, I don't know how you live in a brain that small.

Not legally. Kinda fucks up your argument.

Not really, they are allowed even if it is technically illegal.

" Today, over 14 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) are strictly monogamist, and members who are known to practice polygamy are excommunicated. Still, the practice of plural marriage continues among tens of thousands of members of various fundamentalist splinter groups long disassociated from the main body of the church, such as the Apostolic United Brethren (AUB) or the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS). These polygamist sects are generally located in Utah, Arizona, Texas, and other parts of the Western United States, Canada, and Mexico. Even though polygamy is generally illegal in all 50 states and in all three countries, practitioners are almost never prosecuted unless there is evidence of abuse, statutory rape, welfare fraud, or tax evasion."

They are not allowed to legally marry, but it's not illegal?

good one.

 

[California Girl]

IMO if all the rest of what is considered preventative care is free then birth control should be as well. Where is your outrage over free prostrate exams?

Does your religion forbid cancer screening? This is not about preventative care, not about diagnosis, not even about birth control. It's about that pesky phrase in the first amendment: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

You can't violate labor laws in the name of religion.

The Catholic Church was involved in the development of labor laws in this county. At the behest of Government. Where was your outrage about that? Non-fucking-existent. You want the Church on side when its convenient, and stab us in the back when we are not useful. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Hmmm. The Catholic Church is, apparently, no overly enthusiastic about Obama's 'accommodation'. Oops.

"A step in the right direction" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Exactly. The Church isn't. The members are a different story. It's a wash.

It's far too early to get a solid view of how Catholics themselves will see this. Much of it will depend on how the Church responds further to their initial response. Far, far, far too early to make any predictions on the membership - and further - since this fight was taken up by many other faiths.

No it's not.
PREDICTION:
Within 2 - 3 weeks the only people discussing this at all, will be those running against him, those who would never have voted for Obama anyway and the only media giving it more than a back-reference or "lump-in" will be FOX.
There. I have made a prediction. In 2 - 3 weeks you may bow to my awesome psychic abilities!

 

[JDzBrain]

Do you know how much it costs to raise a child? About as much as cancer treatment. So either could break a person/couple. Sorry, you right wingers crashed the economy and put all the wealth in the hands of the top 1% and now you want us in the middle class to have kids when we can barely save enough to retire? This is what you get when you lower wages and the middle class turns into the working poor.

Have you not been paying attention to the Wallstreet protesters? Kids in their 20's and 30's can't afford to have children pal.

Pay them $35 hr and not $10 hr and maybe they would want to have kids.

Have YOU not been paying attention? You don't get a choice if you get cancer....you DO get a choice if you are going to have unprotected sex!

That is a strawman argument!

Birth control is cheap, available at nearly every corner market and drug store in the country and there are THOUSANDS of government agencies that hand them out to anyone who walks in...so that is bull shit!

As to that tired ass lie about the 1% and the Occupy brainless...if they are WORTH 35 dollars an hour...they'll get 35 bucks an hour. You have to EARN what you get in this country. Ain't nobody gonna GIVE YOU shit!

Those occupy idiots...who make up LESS THAN 1/100 of 1% of the population....are so mindless that they don't even know that they were manipulated by a couple of socialist/anarchist setting in their nice comfy government housing in Canada into making fools of themselves an living in their own squallier and getting thrown in jail for 2 months while the organizers were sleeping Park Avenue hotels. Hotel rooms that were paid for by donations to the organizers from the very companies they were there to protest!

Best I can tell, anyone that freakin' STUPID doesn't deserve 10 bucks an hour...little on 35!

 

[JDzBrain]

When he said "The right crashed the economy" there was no reason to read any more of his ignorant drivel.

LOL...I heard that!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does your religion forbid cancer screening? This is not about preventative care, not about diagnosis, not even about birth control. It's about that pesky phrase in the first amendment: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

You can't violate labor laws in the name of religion.

The Catholic Church was involved in the development of labor laws in this county. At the behest of Government. Where was your outrage about that? Non-fucking-existent. You want the Church on side when its convenient, and stab us in the back when we are not useful. Ain't gonna happen.

I want an organization that institutionalized the molestation of children to simply disappear. We have good Christian churches aplenty; we don't need the Catholics.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Exactly. The Church isn't. The members are a different story. It's a wash.

It's far too early to get a solid view of how Catholics themselves will see this. Much of it will depend on how the Church responds further to their initial response. Far, far, far too early to make any predictions on the membership - and further - since this fight was taken up by many other faiths.

No it's not.
PREDICTION:
Within 2 - 3 weeks the only people discussing this at all, will be those running against him, those who would never have voted for Obama anyway and the only media giving it more than a back-reference or "lump-in" will be FOX.
There. I have made a prediction. In 2 - 3 weeks you may bow to my awesome psychic abilities!

My prediction of three days ago:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/4780155-post903.html

 

[California Girl]

Exactly. The Church isn't. The members are a different story. It's a wash.

It's far too early to get a solid view of how Catholics themselves will see this. Much of it will depend on how the Church responds further to their initial response. Far, far, far too early to make any predictions on the membership - and further - since this fight was taken up by many other faiths.

No it's not.
PREDICTION:
Within 2 - 3 weeks the only people discussing this at all, will be those running against him, those who would never have voted for Obama anyway and the only media giving it more than a back-reference or "lump-in" will be FOX.
There. I have made a prediction. In 2 - 3 weeks you may bow to my awesome psychic abilities!

I agree that the talking heads on the right will keep talking about it, the GOP candidates will... right up until November.

Where I disagree - and something we are unlikely ever to 'prove' one way or the other - is how ordinary Catholics will view it.

Frankly, with the Church making such a non-committal reaction to Obama's "accommodation" (or, caving in if you see it for what it really is)... I'm not convinced one way or the other.... yet.

 

[California Girl]

It's far too early to get a solid view of how Catholics themselves will see this. Much of it will depend on how the Church responds further to their initial response. Far, far, far too early to make any predictions on the membership - and further - since this fight was taken up by many other faiths.

No it's not.
PREDICTION:
Within 2 - 3 weeks the only people discussing this at all, will be those running against him, those who would never have voted for Obama anyway and the only media giving it more than a back-reference or "lump-in" will be FOX.
There. I have made a prediction. In 2 - 3 weeks you may bow to my awesome psychic abilities!

My prediction of three days ago:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/4780155-post903.html

How sad of you to need to post that link.

Annie also predicted a cave in. So did Independent Logic. So did I.

But your prediction was, technically, wrong. Because the Church is not 'happy'. It is actually lukewarm towards Obama's "accommodation" (or cave in to give it it's real name)

 

[Trajan]

shocker, i know

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/u...n-on-birth-control-rule-officials-say.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/u...th-control-coverage-rule.html?pagewanted=2&hp

a huge, unforced error.


every president, no matter the party should have one of those side riders ala roman emperors and generals who triumph ( being one I know how it feels) , as they sweep down towards the forum, the attendant whispers in their ear, 'thou are mortal'.....

 

[Amelia]

It's not a cave.

It's obfuscation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No it's not.
PREDICTION:
Within 2 - 3 weeks the only people discussing this at all, will be those running against him, those who would never have voted for Obama anyway and the only media giving it more than a back-reference or "lump-in" will be FOX.
There. I have made a prediction. In 2 - 3 weeks you may bow to my awesome psychic abilities!

My prediction of three days ago:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/4780155-post903.html

How sad of you to need to post that link.

Annie also predicted a cave in. So did Independent Logic. So did I.

But your prediction was, technically, wrong. Because the Church is not 'happy'. It is actually lukewarm towards Obama's "accommodation" (or cave in to give it it's real name)

I predicted he would cave too. To me a compromise would be a cave-in. So I'm right twice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

shocker, i know

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/u...n-on-birth-control-rule-officials-say.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/u...th-control-coverage-rule.html?pagewanted=2&hp

a huge, unforced error.


every president, no matter the party should have one of those side riders ala roman emperors and generals who triumph ( being one I know how it feels) , as they sweep down towards the forum, the attendant whispers in their ear, 'thou are mortal'.....

What's the error. The President is going to come out politically ahead. In an election year.