owebo
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Make sure the foundation for that moved goal post is sound.....
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Obama crushed what little hope
- Thread starter buckeye45_73
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You miss the point. Hillary was a SHITTY CANDIDATE.You miss the point.
The damage was not just the hacks but the selective releases through the end of the election.
You miss the point that that is not a defense of Trump. It's an admission that a good Democrat would have kicked Trump's ass.
agree
and, as proven, even the worse republican candidate kicked HIllary's ass
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Make sure the foundation for that moved goal post is sound.....His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
I have repeatedly said the same thing. Over. And Over. And Over. And Over. No moving of goal posts.
If people are claiming the election itself was hacked - it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory - I said that when Trump was claiming "rigging" and I've said that when a very few here were trying to claim Russia hacked our actual election machines. But you guys are constantly conflating the two things - hacking the election and hacking the DNC. The first is highly improbable if not impossible on a national level. The second happened and might or might not have influenced the election.
ZZ PUPPS
Diamond Member
His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
DGS49
Diamond Member
Even assuming the whole thing is true: 'The Russians' hacked the email system and released embarrassing emails strategically to assist Trump...
So what? The information that was released was TRUE! It was not falsified or altered. The emails were genuine.
And because the truth got out, some potential HRC voters were persuaded to either not vote, or to vote for someone other than HRC. The position of the Democrats in all this is that it would have been better if the voters had been kept in the dark about what duplicitous bastards their candidate and party staff actually were. Not a very compelling case, if you ask me.
So what? The information that was released was TRUE! It was not falsified or altered. The emails were genuine.
And because the truth got out, some potential HRC voters were persuaded to either not vote, or to vote for someone other than HRC. The position of the Democrats in all this is that it would have been better if the voters had been kept in the dark about what duplicitous bastards their candidate and party staff actually were. Not a very compelling case, if you ask me.
buckeye45_73
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- Jun 4, 2011
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- Thread starter
- #26
Make sure the foundation for that moved goal post is sound.....His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
I have repeatedly said the same thing. Over. And Over. And Over. And Over. No moving of goal posts.
If people are claiming the election itself was hacked - it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory - I said that when Trump was claiming "rigging" and I've said that when a very few here were trying to claim Russia hacked our actual election machines. But you guys are constantly conflating the two things - hacking the election and hacking the DNC. The first is highly improbable if not impossible on a national level. The second happened and might or might not have influenced the election.
No the issue is the election denier have been conflating both.
The emails.are.out there, the dems were exposed, we dont know why the pubs weren't and noone knows.who did it. I havent see anything publicly and until I do, its just bullshit.
At worst the Russians hate democrats for some reason, its not hard and unfair understand, but I dont get why they would care, its not like Obama was tough on them.
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His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
owebo
Gold Member
I believe your Obama as he just said today the Russians did not hack our elections....His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
ZZ PUPPS
Diamond Member
Obama and the RaTz have released no real evidence. All they've done is talk and the media is trying to hard sell it using "unnamed sources". If the sources are real, then they have broken federal security law since the info (if any) is classified.
The Obama administration also tried to sell, with media backing, that Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction (complete with RPGs) based on a video. So much for their intelligence and transparency.
The Obama administration also tried to sell, with media backing, that Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction (complete with RPGs) based on a video. So much for their intelligence and transparency.
Lastamender
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You miss the point.
The damage was not just the hacks but the selective releases through the end of the election.
And Clinton would not have done it? The news got to the people, they decided what to believe. It does not matter how that information became available.
buckeye45_73
Lakhota's my *****
- Jun 4, 2011
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- Thread starter
- #31
His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
2 reasons
First were the accusers so we have to prove it
2nd they made serious accusations and have a report, but noone is really saying anything substantial.
You cant just drop a Grenada like that and say, hey we'll let you know in a month or two. It smells political.
Lastamender
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You regressives had.
They stopped hacking in Sept, so there is nothing about votes or election process in questione.
The only thing you can say is they exposed the democrats and not the Republicans secrets.
Awwwwww....too bad
Maybe you guys should ask for A Scott Walker recall.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../obama-final-2016-press-conference/index.html
But now on to hearings, lets start with Hillary first.
Thanks for giving us a reason democrats!!!!!
So you admit the Russian hacking was not a conspiracy theory?
As long as you agree the DNC pulled all that shit and got caught.
ZZ PUPPS
Diamond Member
His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?Oh, and your Obama admitted the Russians did not hack the election.....so.....
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
Please link the intelligence agency releases that support your position. They don't exist. The only info released is "unnamed sources". The rest is carefully worded spin. Remember the "Benghazi was the result of a video" misinformation campaign? It came directly from the WH and involved the DOJ plus UN Ambassador. DO YOU believe them?
If it wasn't a big deal to them when it happened, then why is it one now???
Lastamender
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You miss the point.
The damage was not just the hacks but the selective releases through the end of the election.
That is how elections are won. Look at the women who came out of the woodwork to accuse Trump.
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bbb
I've already - several times - linked to statements from US intelligence agencies. They all state that Russia was behind the hacks.
Comparing it to Benghazi is disingenius. The Benghazi was fast moving and chaotic and it's not surprising that people might have initially blamed it on the wrong things. This is not. They been investigating it for some time.
His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
Please link the intelligence agency releases that support your position. They don't exist. The only info released is "unnamed sources". The rest is carefully worded spin. Remember the "Benghazi was the result of a video" misinformation campaign? It came directly from the WH and involved the DOJ plus UN Ambassador. DO YOU believe them?
If it wasn't a big deal to them when it happened, then why is it one now???
I've already - several times - linked to statements from US intelligence agencies. They all state that Russia was behind the hacks.
Comparing it to Benghazi is disingenius. The Benghazi was fast moving and chaotic and it's not surprising that people might have initially blamed it on the wrong things. This is not. They been investigating it for some time.
- Moderator
- #36
His news conference today.....it was stunning to hear him admit that......He did?
Where? When?
You guys are really kind of dense.
No one said the election was hacked.
And, the statement doesn't change the claim: that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and the release of information to wikileaks.
No one can say to what extent, if any, it affected the election's outcome.
Wiki refutes the claim. They say it was given to them by a DNC insider.
If the Russians got them, what did they do with them? Barry claims to have known about the hacking, yet did nothing about it until after Hellary lost. NOW it's a big deal...LOL
And they should be believed over the combined opinions of all our intelligence agencies...why?
WikiLeaks tweet shows Assange will lie to further his cause
http://gizmodo.com/julian-assange-lied-about-a-wikileaks-data-dump-on-nati-1785091653
You're focused on the date of the hacking. It wasn't such a big deal at the time. It becomes a big deal when it's released in dribbles, during a critical point at the election. Two different things.
2 reasons
First were the accusers so we have to prove it
2nd they made serious accusations and have a report, but noone is really saying anything substantial.
You cant just drop a Grenada like that and say, hey we'll let you know in a month or two. It smells political.
If it was "political" - it would have been dropped before the election. Like Comey did.
ZZ PUPPS
Diamond Member
The Tell Tale Heart is that Barry just now ordered the report - why so late?
It must be completed before he leaves office - gotta get the "damaging" stuff deleted before Trump gets his hands on it?
It reeks of politics. There is NO new information - just the selective packaging of it.
It must be completed before he leaves office - gotta get the "damaging" stuff deleted before Trump gets his hands on it?
It reeks of politics. There is NO new information - just the selective packaging of it.
Lastamender
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I've already - several times - linked to statements from US intelligence agencies. They all state that Russia was behind the hacks.
Comparing it to Benghazi is disingenius. The Benghazi was fast moving and chaotic and it's not surprising that people might have initially blamed it on the wrong things. This is not. They been investigating it for some time.
Assange said they were not from Russia. He has no reason to lie. He is no more popular in Russia.
HereWeGoAgain
Diamond Member
You miss the point.
The damage was not just the hacks but the selective releases through the end of the election.
Julian Assange went missing almost two months before the election didnt he?
Lastamender
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Does anyone honestly think this country can survive the installation of Hillary as president?
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