Obama/Democrats will create jobs if NO Keystone built... here is how..

[healthmyths]

I really am amazed at the low reading comprehension of forum members.
The point of my thread was simple... why are we risking the following events when simply doing what is done through 185,000 MILES of oil pipeline already?

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.
• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.
• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.
• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.
• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.
• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.
• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.
• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.
• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.
• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.
• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.
• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.
• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

And how does the oil from Canada get to Asia or Europe once Keystone is finished?

Goes by SHIP through the safest waters the Gulf of Mexico and then through the safest waters Panama canal.. THEN through the warmer safest
southern Pacific waters to CHINA most likely!
But it won't be traveling through the harshest already proven (Remember Exxon Valdez?)) waters of the Arctic Pacific!

Tankers almost never sink in open water.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Largest oil spills in history:

The Largest Oil Spills in History 1901 to Present

 

[rightwinger]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is ridiculous because either way the oil will be shipped by tanker. What do you think happens when the oil reaches Texas? In fact, right now that shale oil is sold to the US without a tanker

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hurricane Katrina caused the release of about 7 million gallons of oil into the environment.

By all means, let's ship more oil through the hurricane zone. lol

 

[SAYIT]

I know you're not stupid, Pogo, so I'm giving you 5 minutes to delete that silliness (and I will delete this response) before I help you make a complete jackass of yourself.

Why in the hell would I do that? I nailed the ass of this double standard hypocrisy to the wall, and on that wall it stays.

OK ... I guess I gave you too much credit for smarts. Oil is relatively fungible and it's pricing is global. That means getting it more efficiently to China means a reduction in the global price per barrel. More efficient supply routes are good for everyone and bad for OPEC.

No shit Sherlock. That's what I've been telling everybody. It's not the question here.
You see, had you gotten off your mental stoop and clicked my link you'd see a thread full of denialists claiming Keystone "creates 42,000 jobs" and "eliminates dependence on Middle East oil" and even "increases supply to refineries", all of which are bullshit, and took the trouble to explain how such a pipeline serves only to cut production costs for Big Oil, the pipeline's only beneficiary...

And right there you are wrong. More oil from the Americas means less demand for OPEC's. Guess what happens to the price when desperate suppliers need - and OPEC nations desperately need - to sell their oil? Even if the only benefit was to fuck OPEC where the sun don't shine, I'd go build that pipeline with my own two hands.

Yuppers. Energy security by dealing with people who don't have a desire to behead Americans or fly planes into your tall buildings.

Sorry about Celine Dione and Beiber but we have great beer and donuts.

Dad loved Celine so you get a pass but for Beiber you have much to atone for. Beer & donuts sounds like a good start and a fine breakfast.

 

[SAYIT]

And right there you are wrong. More oil from the Americas means less demand for OPEC's. Guess what happens to the price when desperate suppliers need - and OPEC nations desperately need - to sell their oil? Even if the only benefit was to fuck OPEC where the sun don't shine, I'd go build that pipeline with my own two hands.

And how does that help us when gas prices here go up when the oil refineries in Ohio, Illinois, etc are no longer getting oil?

Yeah, 'cause we have no oil in any nearby states.

 

[SAYIT]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

Is the Keystone pipeline going all the way to China? Are you mentally retarded?

I'm genuinely curious about the answer to either of those questions.

Good point! Obviously despite all the hubbub, that Canandian oil will serve the nearest demand. So what users will be closest to Louisiana?

 

[SAYIT]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

So you believe the Canadians are incapable of building their own pipeline to a Canadian port?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

Is the Keystone pipeline going all the way to China? Are you mentally retarded?

I'm genuinely curious about the answer to either of those questions.

Good point! Obviously despite all the hubbub, that Canandian oil will serve the nearest demand. So what users will be closest to Louisiana?

Canada wants increased capacity access to foreign overseas markets to get world market prices.

We are currently buying Canadian oil at a discount because Canada can't get to those markets.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

So you believe the Canadians are incapable of building their own pipeline to a Canadian port?

They're trying to get around their own problems with environmentalists and native peoples.

 

[SAYIT]

I really am amazed at the low reading comprehension of forum members.
The point of my thread was simple... why are we risking the following events when simply doing what is done through 185,000 MILES of oil pipeline already?

It isn't their reading comp which fails them but rather some ideological brainblock. They choose to refuse any facts which conflict with their POV.

 

[healthmyths]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

YOU don't read worth a shit do you???
Obviously they want to ship their oil! Dumb f...k!
But do you want 1 million barrels on one mile in the open arctic again REMEMBER THE VALDEZ!
Dummy!

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.
• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.
• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.
• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.
• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.
• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.
• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.
• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.
• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.
• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.
• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.
• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.
• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.

So you admit the end product is destined for China, and that therefore the pipeline benefits nobody but Big Oil's operation.

You'd be amazed how many of your fellow travelers just don't seem to get that. Why don't you stop in and set them straight.

Yeah no one has to build it or maintain it

It's fucking magic profits for big oil.

Idiot.

 

[SAYIT]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

Canada. like any producer, wants to ship their excess oil to the highest bidder at the lowest cost. You do understand the concept of supply and demand, right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

YOU don't read worth a shit do you???
Obviously they want to ship their oil! Dumb f...k!
But do you want 1 million barrels on one mile in the open arctic again REMEMBER THE VALDEZ!
Dummy!

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.
• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.
• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.
• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.
• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.
• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.
• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.
• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.
• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.
• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.
• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.
• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.
• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

What does one example prove?

 

[rightwinger]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

YOU don't read worth a shit do you???
Obviously they want to ship their oil! Dumb f...k!
But do you want 1 million barrels on one mile in the open arctic again REMEMBER THE VALDEZ!
Dummy!

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.
• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.
• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.
• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.
• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.
• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.
• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.
• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.
• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.
• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.
• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.
• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.
• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.
• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

But do you want 1 million barrels on one mile in the open arctic again REMEMBER THE VALDEZ!
Dummy!

Why would they send oil to the Arctic? Existing Canadian pipelines go to Puget Sound hardly arctic conditions

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

How do you propose to get an oil tanker into Alberta?

I DON"T! I'm making FUN of those ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots!
My point is simple!
Which is more dangerous, more risk of greater damage to the environment..
SHIPPING 1 million barrels one mile in one tanker on the open ocean OR
Moving 700 BARRELS one mile in one mile of pipeline on the dry land?
WHICH is the bigger number?
Which would cause the most damage if there was an accident? 1 million barrels on the open ocean? OR at the most 1,500 barrels over 2 miles
of dry land?
That is MY simple point that is seemingly going WAY over the heads of truly dumb people!

Your point is stupid because Canada wants to ship its oil overseas.

Canada. like any producer, wants to ship their excess oil to the highest bidder at the lowest cost. You do understand the concept of supply and demand, right?

So? Why is it up to us to facilitate that?

 

[healthmyths]

Hurricane Katrina caused the release of about 7 million gallons of oil into the environment.

By all means, let's ship more oil through the hurricane zone. lol

Idiot! Which would you rather have... A ship waiting for a hurricane to pass OR a ship traveling in daily stormy weather?
DUH!!!! Hurricanes have plotting directions. Tankers study the weather in the Gulf...
BUT in the Arctic it is a DAILY stormy activity!
Again where would you rather have a tanker problem in the cold arctic 1,000 miles or in the smaller gulf of Mexico?
Give me the Gulf ANYTIME..
Just REMEMBER THE VALDEZ!!