daveman
Diamond Member
Be afraid...be very afraid
The GOP wants to take away your Social Security....and your Healthcare
But it's the Right that relies on fear-mongering.
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Be afraid...be very afraid
The GOP wants to take away your Social Security....and your Healthcare
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security
what would have happened if bush got his way and people were investing SS right before the crash? personally I wish you could opt out and I would do so the second it become an option
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security
Now that's a good one. MILLIONS of local, state, and federal government workers, who are majority DEMOCRATS and hack buddies of Democrats don't even pay into Social Security.
MILLIONS OF DEMOCRATS DON"T EVEN PAY INTO THE SYSTEM!
Lying Motherfucker Obama.
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security - Politics - White House - msnbc.com
as is the case with obama....yet another lie
because the truth is:
Most Republicans, in fact, are wary of touching that idea, because Social Security is virtually sacrosanct to voters, particularly seniors.
and some democrats support the idea, but leave it to the liar in chief to sling mud and really have the "change" and end partisan bickering....
Most of the civil servants I know are conservative. I'm in the military.Which equates to MILLIONS of majority Democrat employees AND GROWING who fought hard decades ago to be absolved of contributions and being involved with the SS system. They also created laws so no one could force them to participate in a system the rest of America was "impressed" into.
You want real REFORM? How about making every citizen pay into the system, and you watch all the Democrat government employees shriek to high heaven. BILLIONS and BILLIONS missing from their contributions over the decades if not more.
Facts, sorry.
The reality is that SS is broke, most of us posting on these forums wont have a retirement that we paid into our whole life because the Government already spent that money and left us with an IOU.
You will be glad for medicare though.The reality is that SS is broke, most of us posting on these forums wont have a retirement that we paid into our whole life because the Government already spent that money and left us with an IOU.
Speak for yourself. That's why I save much of what I make and put 10% into my 401k. I am not stupid enough to let the government be responsible for my retirement, nor do I pity anyone that is. And, SS is the exact reason I don't want government touching my health care. If there ever was an opposite to the Midas touch, the United States government would be it.
You will be glad for medicare though.The reality is that SS is broke, most of us posting on these forums wont have a retirement that we paid into our whole life because the Government already spent that money and left us with an IOU.
Speak for yourself. That's why I save much of what I make and put 10% into my 401k. I am not stupid enough to let the government be responsible for my retirement, nor do I pity anyone that is. And, SS is the exact reason I don't want government touching my health care. If there ever was an opposite to the Midas touch, the United States government would be it.
Of course you have planned for medical care during retirement?
Yeah one bout of recoverable cancer will cost ya about a million.
The Dow would most likely be around 15,000.....maybe higher, if Bush's plan had gone into effect.
Nice. Any other musings to entertain GOP followers with?
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years.
if their ideas were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Which equates to MILLIONS of majority Democrat employees AND GROWING who fought hard decades ago to be absolved of contributions and being involved with the SS system. They also created laws so no one could force them to participate in a system the rest of America was "impressed" into.
You want real REFORM? How about making every citizen pay into the system, and you watch all the Democrat government employees shriek to high heaven. BILLIONS and BILLIONS missing from their contributions over the decades if not more.
Facts, sorry.
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years.
if their ideas were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Democrats taking control of Congress in 2007 didn't have a single, solitary thing to do with the economy crashing. That was already in the works and had been a bubble blowing up for years ready to burst. It would have happened even if the Republicans had maintained control.
I see many conservatives deceptively claiming that because the Democrats won Congress in the 2006 elections, that somehow caused the financial crash. That's absolute bullshit and you all know it.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Democrats taking control of Congress in 2007 didn't have a single, solitary thing to do with the economy crashing. That was already in the works and had been a bubble blowing up for years ready to burst. It would have happened even if the Republicans had maintained control.
I see many conservatives deceptively claiming that because the Democrats won Congress in the 2006 elections, that somehow caused the financial crash. That's absolute bullshit and you all know it.
Kudos for you honesty
Nice. Any other musings to entertain GOP followers with?
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years.
if their ideas were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Nice. Any other musings to entertain GOP followers with?
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years. if their ideas (policies?) were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
First The Dems were the majority in congress for 2 years at the end so it was really 6 years of "Republican rule". Next you have almost 4 years of a Dem congress and 2 of that with a Dem president. If Dems needed votes and time to "fix" things per Democrats definition it should have been done easily by now.
If things are not "fixed" by the end of Obama's 4 years then there would be no doubt he has failed... Being he has made things much worse in order to push up numbers he has a LONG ways to go because he not only would have to fix what Bush did, he would have to fix what he did.
With your logic I could blame Democrats for everything through history, and you could blame Republicans for everything though history and we would both be right.
Maybe the real answer is somewhere near Bush and the Republican congress grew Government and spent us into debt... Now we have Obama and a dem congress doing mostly the same policies as Bush AND continuing to spend even more than Bush.
It sounds to me like if you like Obama then you had to of liked Bush. Name some important issues Obama is different on than Bush and why you like Obama's position. Important is key here, no one gives a shit about his world tour to apologize for what America has been under Bush when Obama expanded wars and followed near every other Bush policy.