Obama: “Muslim-Americans Are As Patriotic, And American As Any Other Members Of The American Family”

[ChrisL]

Deflection my ass! The point of your previous post I addressed directly:

1. "That's the problem."
2. "These people are NOT like us."
3. "They have a completely different culture and totally different beliefs when it comes to a lot of "secular" society rules."

I left out one brief sentence consisting of TWO (2) words which said, "Nobody knows." In response to those three brief sentences YOU wrote, I responded with;
Now EXACTLY how is that a deflection from what you posted? I believe you just might be the one deflecting! What do ya think?

MY post still stands. Their culture clashes with our culture. End of story.

I agree but there are good Muslims like Sunni, in great numbers too.. I know him pretty well and he's an exceptional man. Having said as much, those same Muslims need to stand up and be heard, speak out, turn in ANYONE who they believe to be radical.

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

I'm a woman and he's never once disrespected me. He's been a gentleman and a friend. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. Hence respect is a two way street.

I do not respect his beliefs. His beliefs are outrageously misogynist.

 

[ChrisL]

You are incorrect on both points about my comments on previous posts.

1) I never stated that western cultures are going to HAVE to comprise in order to have a "peaceful" Islam in their part of the world.

What I said was, that history has shown when two cultures intermingle. There will be give and take from both camps. That assimilation isn't a one-way street. And that some adjustments will eventually be made within the society.

2) I never excused or condoned the knife attack on the mother and her daughters. I stated that the man was obviously mentally ill.

But I did lay some of the blame on the mother for letting the children be around a psychotic individual while dressed immodestly. ......

Actually your 30 or 40 posts went a lot farther. Said "obviously the woman and children were dressed immodestly". When told about French women being afraid to sunbath on the beach, you said -- "I'm glad that French women are returning to modesty and civility".

You also said "It was too late for Europe" in regards to preserving their freedoms and tolerance. America is an example that the problem AINT ISLAM. It's the importation of repressive and violent CULTURE that is the issue.

Which is why AMERICA is one of the very few examples of peaceful and open practice of the faith -- without all the political and cultural baggage that USUALLY comes with it..

Because of separation of church and state in our society which is secular. Thankfully.

Keeping our society secular- and not allowing religions to determine our laws is so important to the United States.

That's a fine line.. Do not kill is one of the 10 commandments- Our laws derive from a religious founding whether you or any other liberal care to admit it. The Founders understood that laws were created for a MORAL people.

Not really a fine line.

The 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws. There were laws against killing before the 10 commandments and laws against killing in societies that having nothing to do with Western religions.

The Bill of Rights were created in part- to protect Americans from religious intollerance.

Islam is more of a cult than a religion.

 

[Syriusly]

Deflection my ass! The point of your previous post I addressed directly:

1. "That's the problem."
2. "These people are NOT like us."
3. "They have a completely different culture and totally different beliefs when it comes to a lot of "secular" society rules."

I left out one brief sentence consisting of TWO (2) words which said, "Nobody knows." In response to those three brief sentences YOU wrote, I responded with;
Now EXACTLY how is that a deflection from what you posted? I believe you just might be the one deflecting! What do ya think?

MY post still stands. Their culture clashes with our culture. End of story.

I agree but there are good Muslims like Sunni, in great numbers too.. I know him pretty well and he's an exceptional man. Having said as much, those same Muslims need to stand up and be heard, speak out, turn in ANYONE who they believe to be radical.

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

Is he correct that women should be intimidated into wearing burkas? Is he correct in saying that women should have a male escort at all times? What IS he correct about in your mind?

I pointed out one thing I agree with him on- that the majority of Muslim Americans are patriotic Americans.

I normally disagree with him about everything.

 

[ChrisL]

MY post still stands. Their culture clashes with our culture. End of story.

I agree but there are good Muslims like Sunni, in great numbers too.. I know him pretty well and he's an exceptional man. Having said as much, those same Muslims need to stand up and be heard, speak out, turn in ANYONE who they believe to be radical.

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

Is he correct that women should be intimidated into wearing burkas? Is he correct in saying that women should have a male escort at all times? What IS he correct about in your mind?

I pointed out one thing I agree with him on- that the majority of Muslim Americans are patriotic Americans.

I normally disagree with him about everything.

I don't know about that, but it's a chance I don't think WE should have to take. Especially women!

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Deflection my ass! The point of your previous post I addressed directly:

1. "That's the problem."
2. "These people are NOT like us."
3. "They have a completely different culture and totally different beliefs when it comes to a lot of "secular" society rules."

I left out one brief sentence consisting of TWO (2) words which said, "Nobody knows." In response to those three brief sentences YOU wrote, I responded with;
Now EXACTLY how is that a deflection from what you posted? I believe you just might be the one deflecting! What do ya think?

MY post still stands. Their culture clashes with our culture. End of story.

I agree but there are good Muslims like Sunni, in great numbers too.. I know him pretty well and he's an exceptional man. Having said as much, those same Muslims need to stand up and be heard, speak out, turn in ANYONE who they believe to be radical.

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

Is he correct that women should be intimidated into wearing burkas? Is he correct in saying that women should have a male escort at all times? What IS he correct about in your mind?

No, he's not correct but that is his deeply held religious belief. Should he be able to enforce his view upon all women? Never but Sunni knows this..

 

[Syriusly]

Actually your 30 or 40 posts went a lot farther. Said "obviously the woman and children were dressed immodestly". When told about French women being afraid to sunbath on the beach, you said -- "I'm glad that French women are returning to modesty and civility".

You also said "It was too late for Europe" in regards to preserving their freedoms and tolerance. America is an example that the problem AINT ISLAM. It's the importation of repressive and violent CULTURE that is the issue.

Which is why AMERICA is one of the very few examples of peaceful and open practice of the faith -- without all the political and cultural baggage that USUALLY comes with it..

Because of separation of church and state in our society which is secular. Thankfully.

Keeping our society secular- and not allowing religions to determine our laws is so important to the United States.

That's a fine line.. Do not kill is one of the 10 commandments- Our laws derive from a religious founding whether you or any other liberal care to admit it. The Founders understood that laws were created for a MORAL people.

Not really a fine line.

The 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws. There were laws against killing before the 10 commandments and laws against killing in societies that having nothing to do with Western religions.

The Bill of Rights were created in part- to protect Americans from religious intollerance.

Islam is more of a cult than a religion.

yeah I hear that a lot from right wing nut jobs.

Over a billion people believe in Islam.

What makes it any more of a 'cult' than Christianity?

Frankly I don't believe in any of their fairy tales but I respect an Americans right to their religion.

 

[Syriusly]

I agree but there are good Muslims like Sunni, in great numbers too.. I know him pretty well and he's an exceptional man. Having said as much, those same Muslims need to stand up and be heard, speak out, turn in ANYONE who they believe to be radical.

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

Is he correct that women should be intimidated into wearing burkas? Is he correct in saying that women should have a male escort at all times? What IS he correct about in your mind?

I pointed out one thing I agree with him on- that the majority of Muslim Americans are patriotic Americans.

I normally disagree with him about everything.

I don't know about that, but it's a chance I don't think WE should have to take. Especially women!

So exactly how do you want to discriminate against Muslim Americans?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

You are incorrect on both points about my comments on previous posts.

1) I never stated that western cultures are going to HAVE to comprise in order to have a "peaceful" Islam in their part of the world.

What I said was, that history has shown when two cultures intermingle. There will be give and take from both camps. That assimilation isn't a one-way street. And that some adjustments will eventually be made within the society.

2) I never excused or condoned the knife attack on the mother and her daughters. I stated that the man was obviously mentally ill.

But I did lay some of the blame on the mother for letting the children be around a psychotic individual while dressed immodestly. ......

Actually your 30 or 40 posts went a lot farther. Said "obviously the woman and children were dressed immodestly". When told about French women being afraid to sunbath on the beach, you said -- "I'm glad that French women are returning to modesty and civility".

You also said "It was too late for Europe" in regards to preserving their freedoms and tolerance. America is an example that the problem AINT ISLAM. It's the importation of repressive and violent CULTURE that is the issue.

Which is why AMERICA is one of the very few examples of peaceful and open practice of the faith -- without all the political and cultural baggage that USUALLY comes with it..

Because of separation of church and state in our society which is secular. Thankfully.

Keeping our society secular- and not allowing religions to determine our laws is so important to the United States.

That's a fine line.. Do not kill is one of the 10 commandments- Our laws derive from a religious founding whether you or any other liberal care to admit it. The Founders understood that laws were created for a MORAL people.

Not really a fine line.

The 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws. There were laws against killing before the 10 commandments and laws against killing in societies that having nothing to do with Western religions.

The Bill of Rights were created in part- to protect Americans from religious intollerance.

WRONG.. The Bill of Rights, hence the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution is the foundation that puts a BRICK WALL between the people and an overly ZEALOUS government protecting religion- as well as other rights as outlined in the document. You're backassward but not surprising.

 

[ChrisL]

He says some pretty rotten things about women.

Sunni Man says some pretty rotten things in general.

yet he is occasionally correct.

Is he correct that women should be intimidated into wearing burkas? Is he correct in saying that women should have a male escort at all times? What IS he correct about in your mind?

I pointed out one thing I agree with him on- that the majority of Muslim Americans are patriotic Americans.

I normally disagree with him about everything.

I don't know about that, but it's a chance I don't think WE should have to take. Especially women!

So exactly how do you want to discriminate against Muslim Americans?

I don't want them coming to our country. Perhaps once they catch up with the rest of the world, it would be okay. Until then, no way. Women fought for their freedom here, and we don't want some immigrants threatening us!

 

[TooTall]

The nonstop apology tour continues.
After Boston, San Bernadino and Orlando we got to watch the reactions of friends and/or family. About as anti American as you can get.]

Not surprising that a religious bigot like you can't stand it when President Obama stands up for Americans.

No wonder he respects these people- and you despise them.
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If the Muslims are so integrated into American society, why do they have to have a Muslim American Veterans Assn? What is wrong with the VFW or the American Legion? I wonder if non-Muslims can join their Association. Just asking.

 

[ChrisL]

Because of separation of church and state in our society which is secular. Thankfully.

Keeping our society secular- and not allowing religions to determine our laws is so important to the United States.

That's a fine line.. Do not kill is one of the 10 commandments- Our laws derive from a religious founding whether you or any other liberal care to admit it. The Founders understood that laws were created for a MORAL people.

Not really a fine line.

The 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws. There were laws against killing before the 10 commandments and laws against killing in societies that having nothing to do with Western religions.

The Bill of Rights were created in part- to protect Americans from religious intollerance.

Islam is more of a cult than a religion.

yeah I hear that a lot from right wing nut jobs.

Over a billion people believe in Islam.

What makes it any more of a 'cult' than Christianity?

Frankly I don't believe in any of their fairy tales but I respect an Americans right to their religion.

Their's is not just a religion. It covers everything, including law making.

 

[Sunni Man]

I do not respect his beliefs. His beliefs are outrageously misogynist.

Muslims believe that man and women are biologically different. (sorry Bruce Jenner)

That they have different, but unique roles to play in both life and society.

And that the man / husband's natural position is to be over women and their protector.

I fail to see how that is misogynistic? ......

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I do not respect his beliefs. His beliefs are outrageously misogynist.

Muslims believe that man and women are biologically different. (sorry Bruce Jenner)

That they have different, but unique roles to play in both life and society.

And that the man / husband's natural position is to be over woman and their protector.

I fail to see how that is misogynistic? ......

LOL Being I love Dominant men, it's right up my alley.. (Sexually dominant , well that could also lead in to every day life depending)

 

[Sunni Man]

If the Muslims are so integrated into American society, why do they have to have a Muslim American Veterans Assn? What is wrong with the VFW or the American Legion?

You might want to take a look at this and adjust your thinking. ......

"The Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America (also referred to as the Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A., the Jewish War Veterans, or the JWV) is an American Jewish veterans' organization, and the oldest veterans group in the United States. It has an estimated 37,000 members."

Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TooTall]

If the Muslims are so integrated into American society, why do they have to have a Muslim American Veterans Assn? What is wrong with the VFW or the American Legion?

You might want to take a look at this and adjust your thinking. ......

"The Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America (also referred to as the Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A., the Jewish War Veterans, or the JWV) is an American Jewish veterans' organization, and the oldest veterans group in the United States. It has an estimated 37,000 members."

Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting. Established in 1896. Do you have access to the Muslim veterans bylaws and do they have anything like the Jewish group has?

"No person who promotes, or is a member of any organization or group which believes in, or advocates, bigotry or the overthrow of the United States government by force of arms or subversion" shall be eligible for membership.

Active membership may be granted to "any person of the Jewish faith of good character" who is a U.S. citizen and was an active duty member of the U.S. military (including the National Guard and Reserves) in or during any war, campaign, or conflict. The National Constitution also requires that members to have not been discharged under any conditions other than honorable."

 

[Agit8r]

He's right. What's the problem?

Painting with a broad brush, isn't it?

Aren't you?

Did I?

Globalists are not patriotic now?

A patriotic globalist is an oxymoron.

Bush was a damned commie, right?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Painting with a broad brush, isn't it?

Aren't you?

Did I?

Globalists are not patriotic now?

A patriotic globalist is an oxymoron.

Bush was a damned commie, right?

Bush is a lowlife traitorous global shill. End of story.

 

[ChrisL]

I do not respect his beliefs. His beliefs are outrageously misogynist.

Muslims believe that man and women are biologically different. (sorry Bruce Jenner)

That they have different, but unique roles to play in both life and society.

And that the man / husband's natural position is to be over woman and their protector.

I fail to see how that is misogynistic? ......

LOL Being I love Dominant men, it's right up my alley.. (Sexually dominant , well that could also lead in to every day life depending)

You want a man telling you what to wear? Making you wear a burka or be accompanied by a man when outdoors? We aren't talking about sex here.

 

[Sunni Man]

Here is what amazes me. .....

American Muslims on the whole commit very little crime in comparison to their numbers.

On the other hand, 25 U.S. citizens are killed by illegal aliens every single day. (either by drunk drivers or murder). And 40% of federal prison inmates are illegal aliens from south of the border.

Yet muslims receive the bulk of the attention. While thousands of illegals flood across the border day after day.

 

[Clementine]

Pres. Obama is correct.

The vast majority of American Muslims are patriotic law abiding citizens who are fully integrated into our society. .......

Then why does a recent poll, posted elsewhere around here, show that 51% want sharia law to replace our constitution?