Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers

[hortysir]

RW, not much of us is born with a golden spoon in our mouths, we take the shit jobs, work our ass off and we are paid back with our references from our past bosses.

That's how it works to move up.

Hard to believe how you have sold out...If I am a good boy, management will take care of me

You work for compensation. If you work the time, you deserve to be compensated for it. It is not the workers responsibility to give free labor to ensure the company makes a profit

You negotiate your contract when you hire in. You should know what the pay rate is and how it works.

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

I assume I'd have to start clocking in and out like my staff. And if I do anything off the clock I'm not covered for worker's compensation

 

[rightwinger]

In the end, this is just another far left (not liberal...there is a big difference) effort to demonstrate they know what's better.

There is an issue.

As usual, their solutions are pretty screwed up.

What is screwed up about paying people for the hours they work?

Nothing. If they agree to that up front.

What's screwed up is taking the decision away from them.

What is also screwed up is the President of the United States Of American sticking his nose into the business community telling them what to do (please add the stupid paid leave onto the list.....then you'd have to be paid for hours you DON'T work).

He can't do his job as it is (we certainly should not be paying him).

Neither can either the House or the Senate (or them).

It is the job of the Government to establish Labor Laws

That is what is being done here. Labor laws need to be clarified as to who is "management" and who gets overtime

 

[rightwinger]

RW, not much of us is born with a golden spoon in our mouths, we take the shit jobs, work our ass off and we are paid back with our references from our past bosses.

That's how it works to move up.

Hard to believe how you have sold out...If I am a good boy, management will take care of me

You work for compensation. If you work the time, you deserve to be compensated for it. It is not the workers responsibility to give free labor to ensure the company makes a profit

You negotiate your contract when you hire in. You should know what the pay rate is and how it works.

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

The decision should be on your boss and not on you. He is establishing the work conditions and assigning workload

 

[mikegriffith1]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

If those mid level managers make more than $50,404.00, then they will not benefit from this idiots plan.

 

[rightwinger]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

If those mid level managers make more than $50,404.00, then they will not benefit from this idiots plan.

So now you support the threshold being raised above $50K?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

If those mid level managers make more than $50,404.00, then they will not benefit from this idiots plan.

So now you support the threshold being raised above $50K?

No. I'm simply explaining that this would only affects those making less than $50,404.00.

 

[rightwinger]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

I understand that managers are expected to work extra during a crisis or to meet a tight deadline. But to expect low paid middle managers to work continuous 60-70 weeks just because of bad planning is abusive.

The carrot to middle management is...if you want to get to upper management, this is what you have to do. The fact is that only one on ten actually gets that promotion

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In the end, this is just another far left (not liberal...there is a big difference) effort to demonstrate they know what's better.

There is an issue.

As usual, their solutions are pretty screwed up.

What is screwed up about paying people for the hours they work?

Nothing. If they agree to that up front.

What's screwed up is taking the decision away from them.

What is also screwed up is the President of the United States Of American sticking his nose into the business community telling them what to do (please add the stupid paid leave onto the list.....then you'd have to be paid for hours you DON'T work).

He can't do his job as it is (we certainly should not be paying him).

Neither can either the House or the Senate (or them).

It is the job of the Government to establish Labor Laws

That is what is being done here. Labor laws need to be clarified as to who is "management" and who gets overtime

And where does it say that ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I support Obama on this issue. I've seen too many mid-level managers forced to work excessively long hours with no overtime, including one of my wife's brothers. Too many senior managers and owners take advantage of the low overtime threshold to force mid-level managers, and even some higher-level managers, to work excessively long hours so the company can avoid hiring another associate manager.

My wife's brother is the general manager of a nice, elite restaurant in Denver, a restaurant that's doing very well. The owner requires him to work 60-70 hours a week with no overtime because he's paying him just over 60K. The owner won't hire enough assistant managers and so the assistant managers end up getting burned out from 60-plus-hour work weeks and quit and go elsewhere. The owner could easily afford to just hire another assistant manager, but he prefers to force the mangers to work draconian hours. My brother-in-law is looking for another general manager position with a larger chain because he's tired of having no personal life.

So I'm with Obama on this one.

I understand that managers are expected to work extra during a crisis or to meet a tight deadline. But to expect low paid middle managers to work continuous 60-70 weeks just because of bad planning is abusive.

The carrot to middle management is...if you want to get to upper management, this is what you have to do. The fact is that only one on ten actually gets that promotion

Maybe Obama should then pass a law that requires lower managers to get educated.

The carrot of advancement has always existed and always will.

I know engineers in companies like KBR that get paid overtime. Only they work lots of overtime and never bill for it. Is Obama going to make that illegal.

Because if he doesn't, then the expectation will be there and the law will essentially be meaningless.

If he does, he is going to put a lot of stress on people.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hard to believe how you have sold out...If I am a good boy, management will take care of me

You work for compensation. If you work the time, you deserve to be compensated for it. It is not the workers responsibility to give free labor to ensure the company makes a profit

You negotiate your contract when you hire in. You should know what the pay rate is and how it works.

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

The decision should be on your boss and not on you. He is establishing the work conditions and assigning workload

No it isn't. He an assign workload and what if you don't produce.

Maybe this will just succeed in getting a lot of people fired.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hard to believe how you have sold out...If I am a good boy, management will take care of me

You work for compensation. If you work the time, you deserve to be compensated for it. It is not the workers responsibility to give free labor to ensure the company makes a profit

You negotiate your contract when you hire in. You should know what the pay rate is and how it works.

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

I assume I'd have to start clocking in and out like my staff. And if I do anything off the clock I'm not covered for worker's compensation

Yep...here we go.

Anyone who has been involved in starting a business knows that often times, people put in huge amounts of time in the hopes of benefiting when things take off.

Another crusher of small business.

Overdue......

We really don't want any new businesses....

 

[rightwinger]

In the end, this is just another far left (not liberal...there is a big difference) effort to demonstrate they know what's better.

There is an issue.

As usual, their solutions are pretty screwed up.

What is screwed up about paying people for the hours they work?

Nothing. If they agree to that up front.

What's screwed up is taking the decision away from them.

What is also screwed up is the President of the United States Of American sticking his nose into the business community telling them what to do (please add the stupid paid leave onto the list.....then you'd have to be paid for hours you DON'T work).

He can't do his job as it is (we certainly should not be paying him).

Neither can either the House or the Senate (or them).

It is the job of the Government to establish Labor Laws

That is what is being done here. Labor laws need to be clarified as to who is "management" and who gets overtime

And where does it say that ?

Are you just playing stupid or are you actually that stupid?

 

[rightwinger]

You negotiate your contract when you hire in. You should know what the pay rate is and how it works.

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

The decision should be on your boss and not on you. He is establishing the work conditions and assigning workload

No it isn't. He an assign workload and what if you don't produce.

Maybe this will just succeed in getting a lot of people fired.

Hopefully so........the management that is meeting goals based on free labor

 

[JGalt]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Another dumb socialist idea

-Geaux

An extremely dumb socialist idea. First Obama causes hundreds of thousands of people's jobs to turn into part-time jobs thanks to Obamacare, then he comes up with a harebrained idea to force employers to pay their employees more money?

Am I the only one who sees how this shitstain is deliberately trying to destroy the American economy?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

We have labor laws

They direct what a workweek is and what should be compensated as straight time and what whould be overtime

Management has been intentionally exempted from these laws. Employers, seeing a huge loophole, are stretching the limits of who is exempt from overtime.

Obama is calling them on it...long overdue

I was hired with the understanding of 50-55 hours.
I've been pulling 65-70 for months now

So the question comes.

What if I have a job to do, but my boss won't allow the overtime ?

And I chose to work that on my own ? Does Obama say I can't (1984...here we come).

What if a Union Welder did that ? What a laugh ?

The decision should be on your boss and not on you. He is establishing the work conditions and assigning workload

No it isn't. He an assign workload and what if you don't produce.

Maybe this will just succeed in getting a lot of people fired.

Hopefully so........the management that is meeting goals based on free labor

Keep dreaming.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In the end, this is just another far left (not liberal...there is a big difference) effort to demonstrate they know what's better.

There is an issue.

As usual, their solutions are pretty screwed up.

What is screwed up about paying people for the hours they work?

Nothing. If they agree to that up front.

What's screwed up is taking the decision away from them.

What is also screwed up is the President of the United States Of American sticking his nose into the business community telling them what to do (please add the stupid paid leave onto the list.....then you'd have to be paid for hours you DON'T work).

He can't do his job as it is (we certainly should not be paying him).

Neither can either the House or the Senate (or them).

It is the job of the Government to establish Labor Laws

That is what is being done here. Labor laws need to be clarified as to who is "management" and who gets overtime

And where does it say that ?

Are you just playing stupid or are you actually that stupid?

I'm sorry...it's tough to understand you when your head is up your ass.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Another dumb socialist idea

-Geaux

An extremely dumb socialist idea. First Obama causes hundreds of thousands of people's jobs to turn into part-time jobs thanks to Obamacare, then he comes up with a harebrained idea to force employers to pay their employees more money?

Am I the only one who sees how this shitstain is deliberately trying to destroy the American economy?

Amen......

While I agree we have a labor abuse issue as pointed out in the OP.

I don't agree that Obama is the twit to solve it.

 

[rightwinger]

What is screwed up about paying people for the hours they work?

Nothing. If they agree to that up front.

What's screwed up is taking the decision away from them.

What is also screwed up is the President of the United States Of American sticking his nose into the business community telling them what to do (please add the stupid paid leave onto the list.....then you'd have to be paid for hours you DON'T work).

He can't do his job as it is (we certainly should not be paying him).

Neither can either the House or the Senate (or them).

It is the job of the Government to establish Labor Laws

That is what is being done here. Labor laws need to be clarified as to who is "management" and who gets overtime

And where does it say that ?

Are you just playing stupid or are you actually that stupid?

I'm sorry...it's tough to understand you when your head is up your ass.

No, I'm serious

That was a purely ridiculous question. What were you thinking?

 

[Geaux4it]

RW, not much of us is born with a golden spoon in our mouths, we take the shit jobs, work our ass off and we are paid back with our references from our past bosses.

That's how it works to move up.

Hard to believe how you have sold out...If I am a good boy, management will take care of me

You work for compensation. If you work the time, you deserve to be compensated for it. It is not the workers responsibility to give free labor to ensure the company makes a profit

Then don't let the door hit you in the a$$

-Geaux