Obama shoots Rule of Law again. Wants to give clemency to THOUSANDS of drug criminals

[Katzndogz]

Obama has the power to grant clemency to any federal prisoner. Presidents generally do. Not thousands of them. That's never been done before. Likely all it means is a rearrest in a very short period of time.

Even though obama grants clemency the law under which they were convicted hasn't changed. Without congressional action these felons can be rearrested. Under a different president they might not be so lucky.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Obama has the power to grant clemency to any federal prisoner. Presidents generally do. Not thousands of them. That's never been done before. Likely all it means is a rearrest in a very short period of time.

Even though obama grants clemency the law under which they were convicted hasn't changed. Without congressional action these felons can be rearrested. Under a different president they might not be so lucky.

Ford used his pardon power to grant conditional amnesty to hundreds of thousands of draft dodgers, Carter later granted all of them a pardon.

 

[Katzndogz]

Draft dodgers were quite a different strain than drug using felons.

 

[KNB]

And the majority of drug offenders are non-violent.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_federalprisonpop.pdf

 

[Moonglow]

the ones he is suggesting just as the article states if for non-violent offenders....30 years for selling crack is too long, now the sentence if 15..

 

[Moonglow]

Draft dodgers were quite a different strain than drug using felons.

ignorance is not bliss......

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

And of course it's all about race. Obozo claims the drug penalties harm blacks more than whites. Well hell - our welfare system HELPS blacks far more than it does whites. Why doesn't obozo attack that?

Because he is who he is. An idiot.

There may be a disproportionate number of backs incarcerated for such drug crimes, but that doesn't necessarily make it "all about race".

Besides, once they're out of prison the Welfare system will take care of them.

The white ones will of course find gainful employment, have children within wedlock, and go on to become productive members of society.

You clearly never met a crack head lol. White, black, purple or blue they are all scum.

 

[auditor0007]

Thousands of violent felons out on the streets. Whatever could be wrong with that.

Democrats must really be panicked to be trying for the felon vote like this.

I know, this is awful. He's freeing convicted murderers who were on death row. Can you believe this shit?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

And of course it's all about race. Obozo claims the drug penalties harm blacks more than whites. Well hell - our welfare system HELPS blacks far more than it does whites. Why doesn't obozo attack that?

Because he is who he is. An idiot.

There may be a disproportionate number of backs incarcerated for such drug crimes, but that doesn't necessarily make it "all about race".

Besides, once they're out of prison the Welfare system will take care of them.

The white ones will of course find gainful employment, have children within wedlock, and go on to become productive members of society.

You clearly never met a crack head lol. White, black, purple or blue they are all scum.

I've known quite a few incredibly successful millionaire crackheads, actually.

Some that you'd probably recognize the names of.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Obama has the power to grant clemency to any federal prisoner. Presidents generally do. Not thousands of them. That's never been done before. Likely all it means is a rearrest in a very short period of time.

Even though obama grants clemency the law under which they were convicted hasn't changed. Without congressional action these felons can be rearrested. Under a different president they might not be so lucky.

Nonsense. You can't be tried twice for the same crime.

No one will be "re-arrested". It's a legal impossibility.

Not to mention - the law has changed. Federal mandatory minimums have been reduced. The people who are being chosen for clemency have been given minimums that they wouldn't get under current law.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If obozo doesn't like the law then he should ask congress to change it. But no - obozo changes it himself!

Ordered Liberty » Clemency for Drug Offenders Is More Presidential Lawlessness Disguised as Pardon Power

April 21st, 2014 - 12:52 pm

Attorney General Eric Holder announced today that dozens of lawyers will be reassigned to the Justice Department’s pardon office in anticipation of a surge of applications from drug offenders for reductions in their sentences — applications the Obama administration has signaled it would look upon favorably. This exercise is another transparent usurpation of legislative power by the president. The pardon power is just the camouflage for it.

The pardon power exists so that the president can act in individual cases to correct excesses and injustices. It is not supposed to be a vehicle by which presidents rewrite congressional statutes that they disagree with philosophically (just as “prosecutorial discretion,” another doctrine the Obama administration has abused, is not supposed to be a vehicle by which the president substitutes his policies for duly enacted federal law).

The Obama administration is philosophically opposed to mandatory minimums in the federal penal law, especially in the narcotics area. The Justice Department is filled with racialist ideologues and pro-criminal rights ideologues (they tend to be the same people) who have long contended that the drug laws are racist. This is another of those absurd arguments that finds racism based on unintended consequences rather than racist designs.

The mandatory minimums for crack (“cocaine base”) crimes are more severe than for powder cocaine (which was called “cocaine hydrochloride” back when I was a federal prosecutor). Many crack distributors are black and Hispanic, while many powder cocaine distributors are white — although there are plenty of whites in the former category and minority dealers in the latter. Thus, it is contended, the mandatory minimums are racist in effect.

A US president doesn't have clemency power?

 

[Sallow]

Honestly, as much as I dislike the Turd In Chief, I'm cool with this.

 

[Claudette]

If obozo doesn't like the law then he should ask congress to change it. But no - obozo changes it himself!

Ordered Liberty » Clemency for Drug Offenders Is More Presidential Lawlessness Disguised as Pardon Power

April 21st, 2014 - 12:52 pm

Attorney General Eric Holder announced today that dozens of lawyers will be reassigned to the Justice Department’s pardon office in anticipation of a surge of applications from drug offenders for reductions in their sentences — applications the Obama administration has signaled it would look upon favorably. This exercise is another transparent usurpation of legislative power by the president. The pardon power is just the camouflage for it.

The pardon power exists so that the president can act in individual cases to correct excesses and injustices. It is not supposed to be a vehicle by which presidents rewrite congressional statutes that they disagree with philosophically (just as “prosecutorial discretion,” another doctrine the Obama administration has abused, is not supposed to be a vehicle by which the president substitutes his policies for duly enacted federal law).

The Obama administration is philosophically opposed to mandatory minimums in the federal penal law, especially in the narcotics area. The Justice Department is filled with racialist ideologues and pro-criminal rights ideologues (they tend to be the same people) who have long contended that the drug laws are racist. This is another of those absurd arguments that finds racism based on unintended consequences rather than racist designs.

The mandatory minimums for crack (“cocaine base&#8221 crimes are more severe than for powder cocaine (which was called “cocaine hydrochloride” back when I was a federal prosecutor). Many crack distributors are black and Hispanic, while many powder cocaine distributors are white — although there are plenty of whites in the former category and minority dealers in the latter. Thus, it is contended, the mandatory minimums are racist in effect.

Reading the article it looks like this is Holders deal and Barry is going along with it. It does, however, look like an over the top use for the presidential powers. I mean granting thousands of convicted felons new trials? One would think any POTUS had better things to do and one has to wonder why??

Not sure how letting thousands of druggies out on the street is such a good idea.

While in jail they of course are cleaned. Once back out on the street I'm sure loads of em will be right back into drugs. They will be rearrested and land back in the pokey.

Sounds like a waste of time for all those Justice Department lawyers and a waste of tax dollars to pay em.

Time will tell.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama has the power to grant clemency to any federal prisoner. Presidents generally do. Not thousands of them. That's never been done before. Likely all it means is a rearrest in a very short period of time.

Even though obama grants clemency the law under which they were convicted hasn't changed. Without congressional action these felons can be rearrested. Under a different president they might not be so lucky.

I recall Fidel Castro freeing all his prisoners from jail. That didn't work out so well for us.

 

[guno]

well lookie here, repukaloids

It’s an odd couple: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a leader in the tea party movement, and Democratic Attorney General Eric Holder,

Despite their differences, the pair have formed a united front on the issue of eliminating mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, according to The New York Times.

In 2010, Congress voted to change a 1986 law that disproportionately landed thousands of black offenders in prison for crack cocaine convictions while their mostly white counterparts nabbed with powder cocaine received more lenient terms. The disparity between the sentencing for the two drugs was reduced. The original law was enacted in the 1980s, when crack cocaine became a national epidemic.

As a result, according to The Times, black Americans are disproportionately represented in prisons. Both Holder and Paul want this remedied. Paul is supporting a bill, also supported by Holder and President Barack Obama, which is also sponsored by some of the most liberal Democrats in the chamber, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Richard Durbin of Illinois.

Libertarian-leaning members of the GOP say hefty prison terms are "an ineffective and expensive way to address crime," The Times reported, and thus the bill also has the backing of other tea party leaders, such as Ted Cruz of Texas and Utah’s Mike Lee.

Paul predicts the bill will pass with support from at least half the Republicans in the Senate.

Paul, Holder United on Changing Drug Sentencing Laws

 

[Claudette]

well lookie here, repukaloids

It’s an odd couple: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a leader in the tea party movement, and Democratic Attorney General Eric Holder,

Despite their differences, the pair have formed a united front on the issue of eliminating mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, according to The New York Times.

In 2010, Congress voted to change a 1986 law that disproportionately landed thousands of black offenders in prison for crack cocaine convictions while their mostly white counterparts nabbed with powder cocaine received more lenient terms. The disparity between the sentencing for the two drugs was reduced. The original law was enacted in the 1980s, when crack cocaine became a national epidemic.

As a result, according to The Times, black Americans are disproportionately represented in prisons. Both Holder and Paul want this remedied. Paul is supporting a bill, also supported by Holder and President Barack Obama, which is also sponsored by some of the most liberal Democrats in the chamber, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Richard Durbin of Illinois.

Libertarian-leaning members of the GOP say hefty prison terms are "an ineffective and expensive way to address crime," The Times reported, and thus the bill also has the backing of other tea party leaders, such as Ted Cruz of Texas and Utah’s Mike Lee.

Paul predicts the bill will pass with support from at least half the Republicans in the Senate.

Paul, Holder United on Changing Drug Sentencing Laws

Oh Brother.

Lets be FAIR about drug users??

What a load of horseshit. I could care what color they are.

As for "ineffecive and expensive way to address crime. .

Lets just slap em on the wrist, tell em not to do drugs or sell drugs and let em go.

Better yet lets let em all kill themselves with drugs. and stop wasting millions trying to rehabilitate em. Sounds good to me.

 

[Sallow]

Obama has the power to grant clemency to any federal prisoner. Presidents generally do. Not thousands of them. That's never been done before. Likely all it means is a rearrest in a very short period of time.

Even though obama grants clemency the law under which they were convicted hasn't changed. Without congressional action these felons can be rearrested. Under a different president they might not be so lucky.

I recall Fidel Castro freeing all his prisoners from jail. That didn't work out so well for us.

That was mainly because the US was constantly accusing Cuba of holding "millions" of political prisoners.

Castro was like, you want them so bad? Well here you go.

 

[Sallow]

well lookie here, repukaloids

It’s an odd couple: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a leader in the tea party movement, and Democratic Attorney General Eric Holder,

Despite their differences, the pair have formed a united front on the issue of eliminating mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, according to The New York Times.

In 2010, Congress voted to change a 1986 law that disproportionately landed thousands of black offenders in prison for crack cocaine convictions while their mostly white counterparts nabbed with powder cocaine received more lenient terms. The disparity between the sentencing for the two drugs was reduced. The original law was enacted in the 1980s, when crack cocaine became a national epidemic.

As a result, according to The Times, black Americans are disproportionately represented in prisons. Both Holder and Paul want this remedied. Paul is supporting a bill, also supported by Holder and President Barack Obama, which is also sponsored by some of the most liberal Democrats in the chamber, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Richard Durbin of Illinois.

Libertarian-leaning members of the GOP say hefty prison terms are "an ineffective and expensive way to address crime," The Times reported, and thus the bill also has the backing of other tea party leaders, such as Ted Cruz of Texas and Utah’s Mike Lee.

Paul predicts the bill will pass with support from at least half the Republicans in the Senate.

Paul, Holder United on Changing Drug Sentencing Laws

Oh Brother.

Lets be FAIR about drug users??

What a load of horseshit. I could care what color they are.

As for "ineffecive and expensive way to address crime. .

Lets just slap em on the wrist, tell em not to do drugs or sell drugs and let em go.

Better yet lets let em all kill themselves with drugs. and stop wasting millions trying to rehabilitate em. Sounds good to me.

Really?

You think jail "rehabilitates" drug users.

Seriously?

 

[Katzndogz]

Jail doesn't rehabilitate anyone. But then even rehab doesn't rehabilitate anyone. At best, prison keeps them off the street. Letting these guys go is done in the hope they will be democrat voters. At least in those states that restore voting rights upon release.

obama doesn't care very much about the communities who will be victimized by thousands of violent felons.

 

[Claudette]

well lookie here, repukaloids

It’s an odd couple: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a leader in the tea party movement, and Democratic Attorney General Eric Holder,

Despite their differences, the pair have formed a united front on the issue of eliminating mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenders, according to The New York Times.

In 2010, Congress voted to change a 1986 law that disproportionately landed thousands of black offenders in prison for crack cocaine convictions while their mostly white counterparts nabbed with powder cocaine received more lenient terms. The disparity between the sentencing for the two drugs was reduced. The original law was enacted in the 1980s, when crack cocaine became a national epidemic.

As a result, according to The Times, black Americans are disproportionately represented in prisons. Both Holder and Paul want this remedied. Paul is supporting a bill, also supported by Holder and President Barack Obama, which is also sponsored by some of the most liberal Democrats in the chamber, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Richard Durbin of Illinois.

Libertarian-leaning members of the GOP say hefty prison terms are "an ineffective and expensive way to address crime," The Times reported, and thus the bill also has the backing of other tea party leaders, such as Ted Cruz of Texas and Utah’s Mike Lee.

Paul predicts the bill will pass with support from at least half the Republicans in the Senate.

Paul, Holder United on Changing Drug Sentencing Laws

Oh Brother.

Lets be FAIR about drug users??

What a load of horseshit. I could care what color they are.

As for "ineffecive and expensive way to address crime. .

Lets just slap em on the wrist, tell em not to do drugs or sell drugs and let em go.

Better yet lets let em all kill themselves with drugs. and stop wasting millions trying to rehabilitate em. Sounds good to me.

Really?

You think jail "rehabilitates" drug users.

Seriously?

Seriously there S. There are loads of rehabilitation programs out there that are payed for with tax dollars.

As far as prison goes?? These folks get dried out and off drugs. Of course the minute they are free they had back down that road again.

Yes seriously. Catch a clue.