Obama thinks we're all stupid. Some of you really are.

[mudwhistle]

for the dick smoker on the board driveby ... I could care less about what obama said or didn't say ... all I care about is what's it going to cost me ...so you stay stupid ... most repub-lie-tard dick smokers are

Well, what that guy said is classified as fraudulent statements.

Fraud

A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features.

Fraud is most common in the buying or selling of property, including real estate, Personal Property, and intangible property, such as stocks, bonds, and copyrights. State and federal statutes criminalize fraud, but not all cases rise to the level of criminality. Prosecutors have discretion in determining which cases to pursue. Victims may also seek redress in civil court.

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

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Because of his obvious act of fraud you and I will be paying much more for insurance, and you and I will have less options on who will be able to treat us, which hospitals we choose to be treated in, which doctors we choose to give us that treatment.

You cannot tell me that just because he has been caught committing fraud red-handed he won't do it again or he won't bullshit you about everything else. The point of this all is, how can a society survive when the guy on the top cannot be trusted?

Unfortunately you're a liberal. You assume that everyone is dishonest.

and the stupid ones keep getting stupider​

Wow, you sure made me look silly with that spurious comment. lol.

How can I ever recover........

 

[mudwhistle]

Not really.

It really is out of control, mostly because there's a lot of money to be made.

We spend twice what other industrialized countries do per capita, and we get the world's worst results.

We have the lowest life expectency in the industrialized world, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world, and 62% of bankruptcies are linked to medical crisis.

Our system is broken.

The ACA fixes some problems. It also creates some problems.

What has the ACA fixed?

Enlighten me.

And don't give me that bs about pre-existing conditions. Taking into account almost 2 million healthy individuals just got their insurance cancelled, and millions more are on the way, that just doesn't hold water.

well if you went to ,the site and look at what you might pay and if you can't get through the site call them, they will show you what you will get ... verses what you have ... 9 times out of ten it will be a better plan 10 times better then the one you have... they problem you have is you don't know what they hell you're talking about ... you'll g to some right wing whacked out talking point site and never go look for yourself ... that the problem you have ... because I know what they are3 offering and it appears you don't ...

Sorry, but I can't get in.

Besides, I'd rather not put my personal information in harms way just to prove a point to some Napoleon Dynamite lookalike.

 

[PMZ]

This Reagan discussing "Responsible Government".

It is also a warning against leaders like Obama.

Ronald Reagan: A Time For Choosing (1964: Warns Of NWO) - YouTube

A leader like Obama.

One that saves the country from his predecessor?

One that achieves progress even when the other party has no objectives other than his and the country's failure?

One that gets re-elected based on his accomplishments over the first term?

A half baked actor doesn't need to teach America about such a leader.

That's absolutely hilarious.

Obama is nothing but an actor.

Reagan was paid in the private sector to be one. Obama is paid by us to be one. Reagan became our leader for 8 years and never took a cent for it. Obama claims he's leading but isn't accountable for anything, and for this we have to pay him handsomely for it.

Obama can't be blamed for anything that his administration does yet he wants to be called a leader.

That is funny as hell.


Response???

What country were you living in in 2007, 08, 09 when we were reeling from conservative government?

The country just can't afford it any more.

 

[billyerock1991]

Are we going to do this again? Have you forgotten what happened the last time you misunderstood one of my posts? It was not pretty.

yes you lost it ... then I owned you the rest of the day ... ya want to get you ass kicked again have at it fool!!!

OK. Lets have some fun.

What part of what I said made you question whether or not I had visited Healthcare.gov?

Further, what was I trying to say in that post? Have you a guess?

Please, have a change of heart and become a nutter. You are an embarrassment.

there you go again embarrassing youself again ... talking about thing you have no idea about ... do you like making a fool of your self ??? no you haven't gone to the web site ... i know you'll tell me you did, but that's what liars do... they lie the tell you have embarrassed yourself... thinking you nailed me ... what you did was show how ignorant you really are ...

 

[mudwhistle]

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So, in this case, big government is OK to decide what is 'adequate' when the end user already had 'adequate' coverage which met their individual needs?

-Geaux

Um, yeah...

Just like the government can tell you that your car with the shot brakes and the black smoke pouring out the back of it is unsafe even if you think it's "Adequate".

great answer

Also very wrong. It's more like choosing to own a Neon instead of a Lincoln. A Lincoln that works only if you don't have to use it.

Insurance should be an option, not a mandate.

This is welfare that has to be paid for by the recipient.

 

[billyerock1991]

Big picture. I'll bet if you try, you will be able to think of a few good reasons why. Give it a shot.

The problem with covering expensive situations that are not ever going to materialize is that it costs more. The female server is not rated on penile cancer because she will never get it. That's why I should not be rated and charged for maternity care.

Try again. Why do I need to buy a plan that includes maternity coverage and birth control?

Lone Laugher?

loan laugher doesn't get it ... its all about her and nothing more ...

 

[mudwhistle]

A leader like Obama.

One that saves the country from his predecessor?

One that achieves progress even when the other party has no objectives other than his and the country's failure?

One that gets re-elected based on his accomplishments over the first term?

A half baked actor doesn't need to teach America about such a leader.

That's absolutely hilarious.

Obama is nothing but an actor.

Reagan was paid in the private sector to be one. Obama is paid by us to be one. Reagan became our leader for 8 years and never took a cent for it. Obama claims he's leading but isn't accountable for anything, and for this we have to pay him handsomely for it.

Obama can't be blamed for anything that his administration does yet he wants to be called a leader.

That is funny as hell.


Response???

What country were you living in in 2007, 08, 09 when we were reeling from conservative government?

The country just can't afford it any more.

I have a pretty good memory of 07-09.

Who was in charge of Congress????

Huh?????

Democrats??????


Notice everything was fine till those lying pricks took over.

 

[billyerock1991]

I have asked for the questioner to give some thought to the possible answers first. I am tired of giving out free lessons here. Lets see if the questioner has any idea why I might have said something like that first. There are a ton of reasons why we should all foot the bill for shit like maternity care. Big picture stuff.

you're so full of shit, I mean really.

Juts say it,..........

Whatever. You suck in general. What now?

well, lone laugher looks like another one nailed you ....or as they say owns you ... that's whats now

 

[billyerock1991]

I have asked for the questioner to give some thought to the possible answers first. I am tired of giving out free lessons here. Lets see if the questioner has any idea why I might have said something like that first. There are a ton of reasons why we should all foot the bill for shit like maternity care. Big picture stuff.

It's been proven in this thread and many others that your assertions are dead wrong, it wasn't a difficult task either......

Interesting perspective. You are right in your mind so, therefore, everyone's.

driveby is I hate liberals/dems everything ... what ever they say I'll call them a nasty name ... then when you respond driveby reports you ... don't waste your time on driveby ... they are big babies cowards at best, who dishies it out, but can't take it ... right (drive you in the ground) by

 

[Clementine]

Obama stands by promise that "you can keep your plan" - CBS News

Amid reports of millions of Americans losing their insurance because of new Obamacare regulations, President Obama on Wednesday stood by his promise that those who liked their coverage before the Affordable Care Act became law could keep that coverage.

"If you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law, and you liked that plan, you were able to keep it," the president said in Boston.​

You could keep your insurance...UNTIL the ACA became law. Then you're screwed.

How many of you idiots are now going to say, "Yeah. Yeah, that's what he meant! Obviously!"

Of course, that's patently ridiculous. He said you could keep your insurance AFTER ACA was law.

Obama would love it if all of us were as stupid as most of his dependents. Of course, when he makes statements like the one you mentioned, he is talking to those who don't pay attention to what is really going on in this country.

Many of his useful idiots don't worry about things like insurance because they understand that they will be provided for courtesy of the evil tax payers. Even though they know many lost their insurance plans, they figure we all deserve it for having the nerve to be more successful than they have been.

Recently, liberals came out again with another idiotic idea based on the false assumption that everyone is stupid.

The claim is that minority success stories are so rare, so they don't want anyone to hear them. I guess they don't want successful minorities, like Herman Cain, Ben Carson or Walter Williams, giving other minorities any big ideas.

Liberals blame anyone and everyone but themselves for the failure of many minorities to succeed. When you understand that they need a large percent of the voters to be complete idiots to keep the liberal politicians in power, you understand why they do what they do.

Here we have them appeasing the uneducated and lazy. They are again attacking those who succeed by suggesting that it's unfair and they don't want anyone to hear about success. They hate it when people take charge of their own lives and do well. If they cared about the poor, they would hold up examples of achievers and encourage it rather than mocking it as if it's a bad thing.

The real question is why don't some elevate themselves and instead look to government for all the answers. This is where liberal programs have taken people down a dead end road.

I think becoming a doctor or CEO is unlikely after a lifetime of living on the doles like your parents and grandparents did. With poor conditions in our schools and too many teachers who would rather indoctrinate than teach, children of uneducated welfare parents have no role models.

Liberals want to keep it this way. Before anyone suggests that Obama is a role model, keep in mind that he has yet to encourage people to succeed without government. He has never worked in the private sector and is more interested in "taking care" of people, not seeing them as potential winners rather victims who cannot do anything for themselves.

One thing that may have inspired them was to hear how other poor minorities pulled themselves out of poverty and became successful. The left is taking action to prevent those stories from being told. They want stories of despair and people believing that turning to government and community organizers is the only hope. The left would rather that people didn't find the strength to look to themselves and ask how they can make their own lives better.

The best kept secret is that government doesn't create success stories, they only create dependence, and they want people to believe otherwise. An independent population does not want or require a nanny government. Free thinkers are enemies of the state. Few of the people who were 5th and 6th generation welfare recipients were ever enlightened and most never stop to think that government is wrong and that is the reason they have not advanced. The left prefers to tell them that it's the fault of the achievers, as if only so many are allowed to succeed and the rest are out of luck.

I'm sure the liberals will show up like good little Obamabots and spew some meaningless talking points, like it makes people feel bad when others do well. Instead of taking it as a lesson, they use it as an excuse for their own miserable failure. If people opt to stay on welfare instead of relying more on themselves, then the liberals have won.

Georgia University Liberals Don't Want to Hear Success StoriesNo More Success Stories: University of Georgia Students Protest Excellence for Social Justice Week | Independent Journal Review

 

[mudwhistle]

The problem with covering expensive situations that are not ever going to materialize is that it costs more. The female server is not rated on penile cancer because she will never get it. That's why I should not be rated and charged for maternity care.

Try again. Why do I need to buy a plan that includes maternity coverage and birth control?

Lone Laugher?

I have asked for the questioner to give some thought to the possible answers first. I am tired of giving out free lessons here. Lets see if the questioner has any idea why I might have said something like that first. There are a ton of reasons why we should all foot the bill for shit like maternity care. Big picture stuff.

What LL doesn't realize is this is supposed to be a free country where you can't force anyone to buy anything.

This whole thing was a farce from the beginning because it was a tax, and Obama claimed it wasn't. Yet the only way it could be ruled constitutional is if it is a tax.

 

[earlycuyler]

Obama stands by promise that "you can keep your plan" - CBS News

Amid reports of millions of Americans losing their insurance because of new Obamacare regulations, President Obama on Wednesday stood by his promise that those who liked their coverage before the Affordable Care Act became law could keep that coverage.

"If you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law, and you liked that plan, you were able to keep it," the president said in Boston.​

You could keep your insurance...UNTIL the ACA became law. Then you're screwed.

How many of you idiots are now going to say, "Yeah. Yeah, that's what he meant! Obviously!"

Of course, that's patently ridiculous. He said you could keep your insurance AFTER ACA was law.

Inagree, but feel ALL of govrenment thinks we are stupid. We NEED to throw the bums out. ALL the bums out.

 

[billyerock1991]

All people had adiquate coverage? Me thinks only a select few.

A capped high deductible policy is hardly a saftey net that would prevent Uncle Sam from having to pick up the tab in the event of an enourmous calamity.

It was adequate within their fiscal means.

Who said the government has to pick up the tab?

-Geaux

Who "said?" They do ... it matters NOT who "said."

Bad medical debts are passed down to the tax payer via government help.

actually you're wrong its not passed down to the tax payer at all ... what the government has done is tax companies these companies can't pass the charge on to the tax payer by raising the price on their product...

example: the medical equipment tax ...which I have mention many times ...
they are taxed 2.2% that totals to 30 billion dollars, that goes to help pay for your insurance ... that's one way they are doing it ...so get off this the tax payers is paying for it ... they're not...

 

[billyerock1991]

I have asked for the questioner to give some thought to the possible answers first. I am tired of giving out free lessons here. Lets see if the questioner has any idea why I might have said something like that first. There are a ton of reasons why we should all foot the bill for shit like maternity care. Big picture stuff.

It's been proven in this thread and many others that your assertions are dead wrong, it wasn't a difficult task either......

Yeah........no it hasn't. I wish I had a nickel for every direct question I have asked on these forums and gotten zero in reply. Nutters seem to dislike answering questions.

no you haven't

 

[billyerock1991]

Dude, do you think that anyone is going to take you serious with this kind of stuff?

dude !!!!!!!! do I care what you thinK ???? that would be a big fat noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um ... OK.

Maybe a few more giant fonts then?

um thats as big as it gets​

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[billyerock1991]

What has the ACA fixed?

Enlighten me.

And don't give me that bs about pre-existing conditions. Taking into account almost 2 million healthy individuals just got their insurance cancelled, and millions more are on the way, that just doesn't hold water.

well if you went to ,the site and look at what you might pay and if you can't get through the site call them, they will show you what you will get ... verses what you have ... 9 times out of ten it will be a better plan 10 times better then the one you have... they problem you have is you don't know what they hell you're talking about ... you'll g to some right wing whacked out talking point site and never go look for yourself ... that the problem you have ... because I know what they are3 offering and it appears you don't ...

its all about what 'you will get', right.


why should they even have to, if they are happy with what they have? So lets say they have to, and do, and they will not receive a commensurate plan...what then?

when the president spoke about the plan you have you can keep it he also said that the pland you have will become better ... it seems some of the people don't understand if you keep a plan that's bad then who pays???

 

[Papageorgio]

well if you went to ,the site and look at what you might pay and if you can't get through the site call them, they will show you what you will get ... verses what you have ... 9 times out of ten it will be a better plan 10 times better then the one you have... they problem you have is you don't know what they hell you're talking about ... you'll g to some right wing whacked out talking point site and never go look for yourself ... that the problem you have ... because I know what they are3 offering and it appears you don't ...

its all about what 'you will get', right.


why should they even have to, if they are happy with what they have? So lets say they have to, and do, and they will not receive a commensurate plan...what then?

when the president spoke about the plan you have you can keep it he also said that the pland you have will become better ... it seems some of the people don't understand if you keep a plan that's bad then who pays???

My plan worked well for me. It was less expensive and covered exactly what I wanted. The new plan is more expensive, covers things I don't want.

 

[billyerock1991]

Plans that don't meet minimum standards for giving decent, affordable health care to Americans are going to die.

(and you can't stop it)

My brother had a decent affordable insurance policy. $156/month, $3k deductible, coverage for his needs. Now? You're right, it's dead. Now he has to pay for coverage for maternity, newborn, pediatric care (including vision and dental), meds coverage (he doesn't need it), rehab care (he doesn't need that either). His premium will be at least doubled, deductible w/be $5k. Yeah, that's just great. The obama and dems, party of choice as long as it's their choice. Fuck you.

my question to you is did your brother go to the ACA web site to get his cost ??? or did his insurer say it was going up ??? easy question...

 

[billyerock1991]

Um, yeah...

Just like the government can tell you that your car with the shot brakes and the black smoke pouring out the back of it is unsafe even if you think it's "Adequate".

great answer

Also very wrong. It's more like choosing to own a Neon instead of a Lincoln. A Lincoln that works only if you don't have to use it.

Insurance should be an option, not a mandate.

This is welfare that has to be paid for by the recipient.

another person who hasn't gone to the web site ...

 

[billyerock1991]

What has the ACA fixed?

Enlighten me.

And don't give me that bs about pre-existing conditions. Taking into account almost 2 million healthy individuals just got their insurance cancelled, and millions more are on the way, that just doesn't hold water.

well if you went to ,the site and look at what you might pay and if you can't get through the site call them, they will show you what you will get ... verses what you have ... 9 times out of ten it will be a better plan 10 times better then the one you have... they problem you have is you don't know what they hell you're talking about ... you'll g to some right wing whacked out talking point site and never go look for yourself ... that the problem you have ... because I know what they are3 offering and it appears you don't ...

its all about what 'you will get', right.


why should they even have to, if they are happy with what they have? So lets say they have to, and do, and they will not receive a commensurate plan...what then?

well if you want to pay a high dollar plan for a high dollar fine ... that's your choice ... but that plan has to fit the ACA reg... if you want a high dollar plan with a affordable cost, then I say why not look ... you have nothing to lose except time ...