Obama was kept informed of the conversations by wire tap. No spin. No more BS libs

[meaner gene]

First you attacked him for opening an investigation into Hillary's server. Then you praised him when he decided not to press charges at the same instant he's laying out a case for espionage. Then you attacked him for reopening the case right before the election. If anyone besmirched his character it was you on the left.

Actually a lot of former AG's and the people at DOJ complained about Comey's actions, as a violation of DOJ policy by announcing investigations in the middle of an election.

 

[meaner gene]

Sorry. That's a dodge. Why was Trump's conversations with the Australian PM leaked to the public? Isn't he supposed to have a secure line in the Oval Office for fuck sakes???

How do you know the leak didn't come from the Australians, Their PM was pretty peaved off at the way Trump treated him, and it would have been in his interests to release what happened.

 

[Iceweasel]

That's the way it's SUPPOSED to work, yes. There's no way anyone in power would EVER do ANYTHING to get around that restriction, right?

Obama had a republican house and republican senate overseeing what the government was up to,. Between the commitees on government oversite, and the select commitees on intelligence, and the speaker of the house and majority leader of the senate, they pretty much got briefed on what Obama was briefed on, and got the same reports that Obama got.

Are you jerking us around? I can't tell.

 

[Iceweasel]

First you attacked him for opening an investigation into Hillary's server. Then you praised him when he decided not to press charges at the same instant he's laying out a case for espionage. Then you attacked him for reopening the case right before the election. If anyone besmirched his character it was you on the left.

Actually a lot of former AG's and the people at DOJ complained about Comey's actions, as a violation of DOJ policy by announcing investigations in the middle of an election.

But there would be no need for any investigations if everyone saw everything, correct?

 

[Care4all]

Trump knows his phone was bugged because he knows the details of the conversations, and they have been released immediately to the press.
If anyone knew....it would be the person who had the conversations. It doesn't take an FBI report to know that.

Where are those details?

Are you aware that if the OTHER guy in a phone conversation is being bugged, that the buggers hear YOU too?

Sorry. That's a dodge. Why was Trump's conversations with the Australian PM leaked to the public? Isn't he supposed to have a secure line in the Oval Office for fuck sakes???

he talked to the PM out in the open, several people heard it, from what I have read....and yes, all presidential calls from the white house ARE TAPED and are our records....our Presidential records for History forever.

 

[Iceweasel]

Sorry. That's a dodge. Why was Trump's conversations with the Australian PM leaked to the public? Isn't he supposed to have a secure line in the Oval Office for fuck sakes???

How do you know the leak didn't come from the Australians, Their PM was pretty peaved off at the way Trump treated him, and it would have been in his interests to release what happened.

No, he denied the conversation went the way it was reported. You're just regurgitating leftist garbage you were fed.

 

[meaner gene]

Try again, Sport.
"But there's no evidence Russia was involved or that it affected the election."

That Russia meddled in the election is a proven fact. Millions of communications intercepts by the NSA back it up. Maybe it might shock you, but the republican congressional leaders were fully briefed on the Russian hacking.

 

[meaner gene]

How do you know the leak didn't come from the Australians, Their PM was pretty peaved off at the way Trump treated him, and it would have been in his interests to release what happened.

No, he denied the conversation went the way it was reported. You're just regurgitating leftist garbage you were fed.

The people that leak information deny they leaked the information. And in essence the Australian PM denied he was the source of the leaK. What else would you expect?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Try again, Sport.
"But there's no evidence Russia was involved or that it affected the election."

That Russia meddled in the election is a proven fact. Millions of communications intercepts by the NSA back it up. Maybe it might shock you, but the republican congressional leaders were fully briefed on the Russian hacking.

I never knew Seth Rich was Russian.

 

[jillian]

In this article the New York Times not only discusses the wire taps but points out that the White House was given the information.

Whoooooooooooooooooo hoooooooo! Thank you NYT's. There's something I thought I would never say.

" The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit

The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.

One official said intelligence reports based on some of the WIRE TAPPED COMMUNICATIONS had been provided to the White House."

Right there in the last line wiretaps and White House. Obama knew what was going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

amazing what unsubstantiated trump delusions you loons repeat.

moron. you should be ashamed.

oh wait... trump loons have no shame. never mind.

 

[meaner gene]

Between the commitees on government oversite, and the select commitees on intelligence, and the speaker of the house and majority leader of the senate, they pretty much got briefed on what Obama was briefed on, and got the same reports that Obama got.

Are you jerking us around? I can't tell.

Look up the national security chain. The presidents daily brief goes to not only the president, but to the VP, Nat sec advisor, Sec of State, Sec of Def, Homeland Sec, chief of staff, the leaders of the house and senate, and about a dozen others the president selects to receive it. The chairman of the house and senate intelligence committees are probably included too.

 

[meaner gene]

Actually a lot of former AG's and the people at DOJ complained about Comey's actions, as a violation of DOJ policy by announcing investigations in the middle of an election.

But there would be no need for any investigations if everyone saw everything, correct?

Which is why Trumps allegation of Obama wiretaping his phones in Trump tower are being rejected by Clapper and Comey.

 

[oreo]

So if Obama had to be informed of what another part of government was doing, it shows he didn't order it, and clears him completely.

Obama-haters really are the stupidest humans to ever walk the planet.

Yes .

First off, who are they tapping ? Some shady stock firm on the 4th floor?

The Don is claiming HE was the target BECAUSE he's running for prez . There's no proof of that .

Getting a FISA on all the communications going in and out from the Trump team is not exactly wire-tapping but is the equivalent.

When the going gets tough lefties resort to semantics and word spin, 24/7.

Obama ordered the Russian investigation to be done BEFORE he left office. He has "preserved that intelligence" according to numerous sources. So of course he knows, (he was the President at the time.)
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

He didn't turn it over to FBI director James Comey, who is also under investigation for his interference into this election, he's certainly not going to turn it over to Republicans who would have immediately squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

Obama waits patiently for one of them to lie under oath, and then out pops another leak proving their lying. First Flynn, now Sessions. His intent to to get them all. When Democrats take over in 2018, it's over for Trump & company and frankly the entire Republican party, because they're not doing squat. So the campaign theme will be Treason, Obstruction & Cover up's.

Trump & Company have been wholly outsmarted by Barack Obama. That's why Trump is so paranoid right now. Trump has finally figured it out, it's Obama and there's not a dam thing he can do about it.

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia


Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

 

[meaner gene]

No, he denied the conversation went the way it was reported. You're just regurgitating leftist garbage you were fed.

Think about it. The australian PM would either confirm or deny what happened. Confirming would only prove the accuracy of the leak, and encourage additional leaks.

 

[mudwhistle]

True and we do it to many, Obama was involved in Israel's election and Brexit. No lefty gave a smidgen of a fuck about that though. But there's no evidence Russia was involved or that it affected the election. It's a scapegoat.l.

Au Contrare, There is a great deal of evidence of Ruissia trying to meddle in the american presidential election. So much that the intercepted communications triggered investigations by the FBI and intelligence agencies.

Remember, we were intercepting communications at the highest level of the Russian government, and listening to them celebrate a Trujmp victory.

Link to the FBI and intel investigations please.

So far we've only had congressional investigations made public. The rest you just pulled out of your ass. The FISA court applications were made before any investigation was conducted. Months before any accusations of colluding was published. Now the libs, are backtracking by saying if any wiretaps happened it was all on the Russians, which we all know is a bold-faced lie because they tapped communications inside the Oval Office with other foreign leaders.

Ever wonder why Obama insisted on keeping his Blackberry when he first took office??
Paranoid.

 

[Iceweasel]

Between the commitees on government oversite, and the select commitees on intelligence, and the speaker of the house and majority leader of the senate, they pretty much got briefed on what Obama was briefed on, and got the same reports that Obama got.

Are you jerking us around? I can't tell.

Look up the national security chain. The presidents daily brief goes to not only the president, but to the VP, Nat sec advisor, Sec of State, Sec of Def, Homeland Sec, chief of staff, the leaders of the house and senate, and about a dozen others the president selects to receive it. The chairman of the house and senate intelligence committees are probably included too.

You totally forgot about politics.

 

[Iceweasel]

Actually a lot of former AG's and the people at DOJ complained about Comey's actions, as a violation of DOJ policy by announcing investigations in the middle of an election.

But there would be no need for any investigations if everyone saw everything, correct?

Which is why Trumps allegation of Obama wiretaping his phones in Trump tower are being rejected by Clapper and Comey.

Neither one could sell me ice water in hell.

 

[mudwhistle]

So if Obama had to be informed of what another part of government was doing, it shows he didn't order it, and clears him completely.

Obama-haters really are the stupidest humans to ever walk the planet.

Yes .

First off, who are they tapping ? Some shady stock firm on the 4th floor?

The Don is claiming HE was the target BECAUSE he's running for prez . There's no proof of that .

Getting a FISA on all the communications going in and out from the Trump team is not exactly wire-tapping but is the equivalent.

When the going gets tough lefties resort to semantics and word spin, 24/7.

Obama ordered the Russian investigation to be done BEFORE he left office. He has "preserved that intelligence" according to numerous sources. So of course he knows, (he was the President at the time.)
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

He didn't turn it over to FBI director James Comey, who is also under investigation for his interference into this election, he's certainly not going to turn it over to Republicans who would have immediately squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

Obama waits patiently for one of them to lie under oath, and then out pops another leak proving their lying. First Flynn, now Sessions. His intent to to get them all. When Democrats take over in 2018, it's over for Trump & company and frankly the entire Republican party, because they're not doing squat. So the campaign theme will be Treason, Obstruction & Cover up's.

Trump & Company have been wholly outsmarted by Barack Obama. That's why Trump is so paranoid right now. Trump has finally figured it out, it's Obama and there's not a dam thing he can do about it.

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia


Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

So if Obama leaked this he committed numerous felonies.

 

[Iceweasel]

No, he denied the conversation went the way it was reported. You're just regurgitating leftist garbage you were fed.

Think about it. The australian PM would either confirm or deny what happened. Confirming would only prove the accuracy of the leak, and encourage additional leaks.

Think about it? You can't think, period. You're just here puking up garbage you're been fed.


Australian’s prime minister denies President Trump hung up on him

Turnbull: “Well let me just go on. As far as the call is concerned, I’m very disappointed that there has been a leak of purported details of the call in Washington. But I want to make one observation about it. The report that the president hung up is not correct. The call ended courteously and as far as the nature of the discussion, it was very frank and forthright. I stand up for Australia’s interests. I make Australia’s case as powerfully and persuasively as I can, wherever I am.”

 

[meaner gene]

Link to the FBI and intel investigations please.

So far we've only had congressional investigations made public. The rest you just pulled out of your ass. The FISA court applications were made before any investigation was conducted. Months before any accusations of colluding was published. Now the libs, are backtracking by saying if any wiretaps happened it was all on the Russians, which we all know is a bold-faced lie because they tapped communications inside the Oval Office with other foreign leaders.

Ever wonder why Obama insisted on keeping his Blackberry when he first took office??
Paranoid.

Let's address those one by one.

The investigation is started, which is what supports the application for a FISA warrant.

If any Oval office calls were intercepted, it was from the FOREIGN end.

And Obama didn't keep his blackberry, the NSA created a special presidential blackberry which Obama used.