Obamacare has Death Panels

[Solaris]

"The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for medicare and determing which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

---Howard Dean, former DNC Chair (7/29/2013)

Looks like another broken promise. What do we do now?

 

[Robodoon]

"The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for medicare and determing which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

---Howard Dean, former DNC Chair (7/29/2013)

Looks like another broken promise. What do we do now?

YES, DEATH PANELS ARE HERE. Obamacare what's just what Hill and Bill tried to do under Socialism. Where the State is god (more so the people that run it) and man is trash in this system...you Parents and family.

Will the people worship the state now. well they are now. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg]The Petition for "Mandatory Euthanasia" for Senior Citizens Under Obama Care! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Clementine]

"The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for medicare and determing which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

---Howard Dean, former DNC Chair (7/29/2013)

Looks like another broken promise. What do we do now?

Without coming out and calling them death panels, Howard Dean expressed the same exact concern that Palin did.

The left is quick to dismiss the fact that government bureaucrats will act as death panels, for all intent and purposes. What they will do is deny treatment by making certain treatments too expensive. This is by design. If anyone believes that Obamacare is really about health care, you will be in for a shock.

It's about controlling our daily lives, our money and there is some gun control in there, too. Doctors are starting to ask people if they own guns. There is also a push from Big Pharms on depression meds. The number of television and radio ads have increased dramatically. Big Pharms tend to buy the loyalty of doctors by giving them expensive equiptment in exchange for the doctors pushing their drugs. Doctors are starting to ask more questions about our mental state, which is something a specialist, not a regular doctor, would need to determine. However, if they can find reason to prescribe any kind of anti- depressant, you might get a visit from authorities to confiscate your weapons.

Obamacare is also about a pet project of the far left, population control. How many millions will be denied lifesaving care due to age or cost? People over 75 are likely to be deemed a waste of money should they come down with a serious illness or need hip replacements. With the government and it's agencies having full access to all of your personal information, there is no telling what they will base the decision on when they are deciding life and death situations on your behalf.

What Palin said about death panels:

Now first, let's be clear about why Palin called it that. She did not claim that a line item in the law convenes a hooded panel to sit and pronounce death on people. What she said was that the IPAB, with its power to set rates, would be able to effectively price certain treatments and services out of existence, at least for most people. And the power to do this would serve as an effective death penalty for an awful lot of people.

What Dean said about it:

The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

There does have to be control of costs in our health-care system. However, rate setting—the essential mechanism of the IPAB—has a 40-year track record of failure. What ends up happening in these schemes (which many states including my home state of Vermont have implemented with virtually no long-term effect on costs) is that patients and physicians get aggravated because bureaucrats in either the private or public sector are making medical decisions without knowing the patients. Most important, once again, these kinds of schemes do not control costs. The medical system simply becomes more bureaucratic.

Both Palin and Dean are correct. Question is, will the Dems have the courage to stop this disaster from being fully implemented?

Using different words, Howard Dean agrees with Palin on death panels
Politics: Those ObamaCare death panels are kind of a problem, says . . . Howard Dean? | CainTV

 

[Greenbeard]

Now first, let's be clear about why Palin called it that. She did not claim that a line item in the law convenes a hooded panel to sit and pronounce death on people. What she said was that the IPAB, with its power to set rates, would be able to effectively price certain treatments and services out of existence, at least for most people. And the power to do this would serve as an effective death penalty for an awful lot of people.

You realize Palin's Facebook post coining the phrase is still accessible, right?

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

 

[Plasmaball]

well death panels are before the fema camps..so this is a good thing.

 

[francoHFW]

Total Pubcrappe, hater dupes.

BTW, your doctors, family, and an end of life counsellor with no power is not a death panel either, just actual common sense....

 

[TheOldSchool]

God dammit you lunatics. Take a deep breath and count to ten. Maybe that'll get your brains kickstarted back up

 

[candycorn]

Shoulda went with wallpaper instead of the panels.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

Total Pubcrappe, hater dupes.

BTW, your doctors, family, and an end of life counsellor with no power is not a death panel either, just actual common sense....

When did Howard Dean become a pubcrappe hater dupe?

 

[koshergrl]

When he told the truth.

 

[Clementine]

Anyone who points out the bad things in Obamacare will be attacked.

Why the hell do libs think that congress and the IRS want exempt from it? It's baaaaad!

 

[Political Junky]

The private insurance industry has conducted death panels for years by denying coverage.

 

[OnePercenter]

The private insurance industry has conducted death panels for years by denying coverage.

Exactly. All because Reagan fucked with the HMO act removing competition in the medical insurance industry.

When are the pea-brains going to realize that National Healthcare is here, because there is no other choice. Thank the Republicans for that.

 

[Bfgrn]

Total Pubcrappe, hater dupes.

BTW, your doctors, family, and an end of life counsellor with no power is not a death panel either, just actual common sense....

When did Howard Dean become a pubcrappe hater dupe?

When Dean became "Senior Strategic Advisor and Independent Consultant for the Government Affairs practice at McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP." If we translate this from inside-the-Beltway rhetoric to real English, it means Dean does lobbying work for one of the more powerful firms in D.C.

That Dean's employer has health care clients that stand to lose money from IPAB is a relevant detail that the Wall Street Journal's editorial board did not include for readers to consider. (In 2011, Salon asked the lobbying firm and Dean's office for a list of his clients. They both declined.)

 

[Wake]

If this is indeed true, then we need to continue fighting tooth and nail against Obamacare.

 

[Pete7469]

"The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for medicare and determing which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

---Howard Dean, former DNC Chair (7/29/2013)

Looks like another broken promise. What do we do now?

Howl "RACIST!!!!" and call Sarah Palin a ****.

 

[PredFan]

Of course it has death panels. We said it would and since we base our statements on facts, logic, and knowledge, we are usually right.

 

[bendog]

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

 

[NightFox]

The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body.

The free market is essentially a health-care rationing body, since the supply of health-care is limited and when at any given time supply < demand, the market imposes rationing (via the price mechanism)

Of course the central planners want to change the equation by artificially increasing demand and tinkering with the price mechanism (which will end up suppressing supply) SO .. instead of market imposed rationing what you'll get is either ..

Some bureaucrat determining who gets none of the supply, a situation that generally devolves into a "who do you know and how much bribe money do you have?" proposition.

-OR-

The supply gets divided up equally and everyone ends up with a piece (but usually less than what they actually need), aka shared misery.

 

[Bfgrn]

Of course it has death panels. We said it would and since we base our statements on facts, logic, and knowledge, we are usually right.

Except you folks are dead wrong.


The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board

Here’s how IPAB works:

• 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.

• IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.

• IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.

• Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.

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