Obamacare just got $111 BILLION more expensive..WTF???

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New Study Shows Higher Health Care Costs under Obamacare
Employers Consider Dropping Health Coverage Under Obamacare
Health Spending to Rise Even Faster Under ObamaCare - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
ObamaCare Architect: Premiums to Soar | FrontPage Magazine
Medicare Actuary: Obamacare Will Triple the Growth Rate of Net Insurance Costs - Forbes
The False Advertising Of ObamaCare - Investors.com
ObamaCare
Obamacare | cost | The Daily Caller
How Obamacare Will Further Explode the Deficit | The Carleson Center for Public Policy

thanks for providing all those solutions the GOP seems to talk about.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20111114/MAGAZINE/111119997
Fox Buries The Facts On Health Insurance Costs | Media Matters for America
The Affordable Care Act Is Already a Success
ACA delivers lower costs to more seniors with Medicare! HHS Press Release | Michigan Consumers for Healthcare
Opinion: Health law boosts care, lowers cost - Nancy-Ann DeParle - POLITICO.com
Better Health Better Care and Lower Costs for All Americans - The Commonwealth Fund

you lost all credibility when you linked to Media Matters

ROTFL you psot sources geom heritage and daily caller and you have hte nerve to rsou rcether source bias. Dumbass

 

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New Study Shows Higher Health Care Costs under Obamacare
ROTFL your soruce doesn't even talk about the effects of Obama care, it just blames health care costs on Obamacare in years that Obamacare didn't even exist.
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Employers Consider Dropping Health Coverage Under Obamacare

Again your source isn't a study and doesn't even try to find out the effects of Obamacare, it just a poll of people
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Health Spending to Rise Even Faster Under ObamaCare - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
WHen we go rs ohere your source says it gets its information we find that it actually says that due to obamacare total health care spending will be slightly less
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[Greenbeard]

Obamacare just got $111 BILLION more expensive.

No it dind't dumbass the exchanges got 111billion more expensive while medicaid got 111billion less expensive due to a transfer

Nothing is $111 billion more expensive, the exchange spending projections are still virtually the same as they were in the original CBO score two years ago (and its follow-ups): $523 billion over the 2014-21 period in the FY13 White House budget projections, $519 in the older CBO projections. The change from the legislation Congress passed last October redefining MAGI to shift more folks into the exchanges is small.

No need to buy into the wingnut fantasies.

 

[Zander]

The government would never lie. That is why they are collecting 10 years of taxes to pay for 5 years of ObamaCare benefits. Remember folks, it's not a lie- it's creative accounting!!

 

[Flopper]

Lawmaker Wants Answers After Cost Estimate For Health Insurance Aid Rises By $111B | Fox News

So do I.



Yeah. Can't imagine why they were buried in that deep, huh.



I find this difficult to believe, based on the track record of this administration.

Does anyone really think that we would be able to provide healthcare coverage for 30 million Americans at no cost? It think the costs in the long run will be very small in relation to benefits to the nation.

somehow every other industrialized nation in the world has figured it out. are you saying all those countries are smarter than we are?

Why Switzerland Has the World's Best Health Care System - Forbes

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

 

[Trajan]

The government would never lie. That is why they are collecting 10 years of taxes to pay for 5 years of ObamaCare benefits. Remember folks, it's not a lie- it's creative accounting!!

notice that?
greenbeard, in an environment that has seen very limited to no benefit of OC yet, has already gotten on paper, ( which can still be argued is higher)$ 5 billion more expensive...CLASS act fail and waivers not withstanding ( whose cost, well we can only wait and see as they will if given a chance resurrect it) ....what a joke. See 5 Billion just don't buy jack anymore, not even a decent green co....

 

[Trajan]

Does anyone really think that we would be able to provide healthcare coverage for 30 million Americans at no cost? It think the costs in the long run will be very small in relation to benefits to the nation.

somehow every other industrialized nation in the world has figured it out. are you saying all those countries are smarter than we are?

Why Switzerland Has the World's Best Health Care System - Forbes

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

ever heard of economy of scale?

 

[Trajan]

Does anyone really think that we would be able to provide healthcare coverage for 30 million Americans at no cost? It think the costs in the long run will be very small in relation to benefits to the nation.

somehow every other industrialized nation in the world has figured it out. are you saying all those countries are smarter than we are?

Why Switzerland Has the World's Best Health Care System - Forbes

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

acentral planning will take care of all that?

 

[Greenbeard]

has already gotten on paper, ( which can still be argued is higher)$ 5 billion more expensive...

Congress made a policy change five months ago to put more people into the exchange. As I recall, many on the right (including wingnuts like yourself) were very upset that some SS benefits might not count as income under the MAGI definition, thus letting some folks they didn't want in Medicaid become eligible for Medicaid. So Congress intervened to change the MAGI definition and put them into the exchanges. Meaning more exchange subsidies paid out.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWLBljvEG-M]The horror[/ame]

 

[Flopper]

somehow every other industrialized nation in the world has figured it out. are you saying all those countries are smarter than we are?

Why Switzerland Has the World's Best Health Care System - Forbes

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

ever heard of economy of scale?

That is exactly what I'm referring to. We do not need hundreds of different healthcare payment systems. We have in effect a different Medicaid system for each state, VA, and Medicare plus we have hundreds if not thousands of different private insurance plans. They all have their own rules as to how much they pay and what they pay for. There is overlaps and duplication in coverage. Healthcare payer systems are so complex no one really understands them and they are subject to fraud and abuse. We only need one single payer for the nation.

 

[Listening]

ohhh so you dont have any solutions for keeping costs down and providing access to all americans?
glad to see the rights strategy has finally come out.

glad to see you dont need those government provided roads, schools and parks.

As stupid as you are, I didn't think you were this moronic.

I don't need government provided schools, roads, and parks. That has got to be the dumbest argument running.

There are plenty of ways to provide roads, schools, and parks that don't involve the government.

As to your "solutions", you don't have any either and once again, your answer is to force some Americans to pay for others. That is a fantastic solution and the reason the townhalls were so painful for the democrats (unless you are gutless turd like Dennis Moore and won't hold one because you know you'd be lucky to get out with your ass in tact). What you continually default to is the model that says the government can do it well or best.....when, in fact, government has been shown to do very little well...case in point SS, Medicare and Medicaid. All programs that suck and are going bust.

 

[Listening]

Does anyone really think that we would be able to provide healthcare coverage for 30 million Americans at no cost? It think the costs in the long run will be very small in relation to benefits to the nation.

somehow every other industrialized nation in the world has figured it out. are you saying all those countries are smarter than we are?

Why Switzerland Has the World's Best Health Care System - Forbes

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

I seriously question the quality comment.

But you are a pretty reliable poster so I'll look for your supporting documentation.

 

[Listening]

The difference is other countries have moved to a single payer or modified single payer system. The number of healthcare systems we have raises the cost and lowers the quality.

ever heard of economy of scale?

That is exactly what I'm referring to. We do not need hundreds of different healthcare payment systems. We have in effect a different Medicaid system for each state, VA, and Medicare plus we have hundreds if not thousands of different private insurance plans. They all have their own rules as to how much they pay and what they pay for. There is overlaps and duplication in coverage. Healthcare payer systems are so complex no one really understands them and they are subject to fraud and abuse. We only need one single payer for the nation.

We have states that are larger than most European countries. In some cases, most states are larger (Sweden for instance).

Let each state that wants to....set up it's own system. If a state does not want it.....then it should not be forced to have it.

 

[Syphon]

ever heard of economy of scale?

That is exactly what I'm referring to. We do not need hundreds of different healthcare payment systems. We have in effect a different Medicaid system for each state, VA, and Medicare plus we have hundreds if not thousands of different private insurance plans. They all have their own rules as to how much they pay and what they pay for. There is overlaps and duplication in coverage. Healthcare payer systems are so complex no one really understands them and they are subject to fraud and abuse. We only need one single payer for the nation.

We have states that are larger than most European countries. In some cases, most states are larger (Sweden for instance).

Let each state that wants to....set up it's own system. If a state does not want it.....then it should not be forced to have it.

so if every state has its own system, what if one state wont accept another states insurance? what if you move and now cant get insurance in that other state? what if the quality of care in one state is drastically less than the quality in another state, but since you dont live is the state with good quality health care, you dont have access to it.

hence why the fed setting the standard is needed. if we wanted states to have more control than the fed, the civil war would have been won by the south and the fed would be extremely small.

 

[Bfgrn]

Saying PapaObama Care is "free market"

is like one saying they are "a little pregnant"

It is absolutely 'free market', so much so that scholars at the American Enterprise Institute were ordered to not to speak to the media or comment on health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

The Affordable Health Care Act is part and parcel the Responsible National Health Insurance bill Republicans proposed back in the early 1990's.

Including the BIG GOP idea...the Individual Mandate

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010
Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

 

[Syphon]

Saying PapaObama Care is "free market"

is like one saying they are "a little pregnant"

It is absolutely 'free market', so much so that scholars at the American Enterprise Institute were ordered to not to speak to the media or comment on health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

The Affordable Health Care Act is part and parcel the Responsible National Health Insurance bill Republicans proposed back in the early 1990's.

Including the BIG GOP idea...the Individual Mandate

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010
Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

its amazing when the GOP votes against its own ideas because the Dems brought it up in a bill. if the Dems are for it, the GOP is against it, even if they used to be for it in the past. only a conservative could understand that

 

[Listening]

Saying PapaObama Care is "free market"

is like one saying they are "a little pregnant"

It is absolutely 'free market', so much so that scholars at the American Enterprise Institute were ordered to not to speak to the media or comment on health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

The Affordable Health Care Act is part and parcel the Responsible National Health Insurance bill Republicans proposed back in the early 1990's.

Including the BIG GOP idea...the Individual Mandate

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010
Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

its amazing when the GOP votes against its own ideas because the Dems brought it up in a bill. if the Dems are for it, the GOP is against it, even if they used to be for it in the past. only a conservative could understand that

This has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've seen.

If the GOP wanted health care, they had all the votes they needed in 2000. They had the house the senate and the WH. I am quite certain few democrats would have gotten in their way.

As usual you show no understanding of context. The GOP proposal was counter to Hillarycare at a time when the GOP was powerless. Once they got control of the house and senate....you never heard another word.

To think it was anything but a smoke screen is simply partisan crap.

 

[Bfgrn]

Saying PapaObama Care is "free market"

is like one saying they are "a little pregnant"

It is absolutely 'free market', so much so that scholars at the American Enterprise Institute were ordered to not to speak to the media or comment on health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

The Affordable Health Care Act is part and parcel the Responsible National Health Insurance bill Republicans proposed back in the early 1990's.

Including the BIG GOP idea...the Individual Mandate

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010
Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

its amazing when the GOP votes against its own ideas because the Dems brought it up in a bill. if the Dems are for it, the GOP is against it, even if they used to be for it in the past. only a conservative could understand that

Yea, it brings to mind the conservative mantra back in 2004...'flip-flopper'

 

[Syphon]

It is absolutely 'free market', so much so that scholars at the American Enterprise Institute were ordered to not to speak to the media or comment on health care reform because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

The Affordable Health Care Act is part and parcel the Responsible National Health Insurance bill Republicans proposed back in the early 1990's.

Including the BIG GOP idea...the Individual Mandate

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010
Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

its amazing when the GOP votes against its own ideas because the Dems brought it up in a bill. if the Dems are for it, the GOP is against it, even if they used to be for it in the past. only a conservative could understand that

This has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've seen.

If the GOP wanted health care, they had all the votes they needed in 2000. They had the house the senate and the WH. I am quite certain few democrats would have gotten in their way.

As usual you show no understanding of context. The GOP proposal was counter to Hillarycare at a time when the GOP was powerless. Once they got control of the house and senate....you never heard another word.

To think it was anything but a smoke screen is simply partisan crap.

if there were for it back then, why are the against it now?

explain your wingnut logic in that? that in fact is the dumbest argument ever.

again, you show your lack of education and intelligence on every level

for having the name listening, you dont listen very well

 

[Listening]

so if every state has its own system, what if one state wont accept another states insurance? what if you move and now cant get insurance in that other state? what if the quality of care in one state is drastically less than the quality in another state, but since you dont live is the state with good quality health care, you dont have access to it.

hence why the fed setting the standard is needed. if we wanted states to have more control than the fed, the civil war would have been won by the south and the fed would be extremely small.

Blah blah blah blah......

States have their own systems now. Mass and Tenn. If you don't like the state's insurance you won't move there.

You won't have access to it becuase the majority of people in your state DON'T WANT IT.

Or are you saying socialism is O.K.

Move to a state with good health care if that is what you want. That or buy it yourself. Every state will have available what the market demands.

And to think that all states will have equal provision right now or under Obamacare is silly.

As to the civil war......your statement makes no sense. If we wanted smaller government.....???

We were built on the concept of a limited federal government. That hasn't changed at all.