ObamaCare...

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One hospital charges $8,000 ? another, $38,000

For the first time, the federal government will release the prices that hospitals charge for the 100 most common inpatient procedures. Until now, these charges have been closely held by facilities that see a competitive advantage in shielding their fees from competitors. What the numbers reveal is a health-care system with tremendous, seemingly random variation in the costs of services.

In the District, George Washington University’s average bill for a patient on a ventilator was $115,000, while Providence Hospital’s average charge for the same service was just under $53,000. For a lower joint replacement, George Washington University charged almost $69,000 compared with Sibley Memorial Hospital’s average of just under $30,000.

Virginia’s highest average rate for a lower limb replacement was at CJW Medical Center in Richmond, more than $117,000, compared with Winchester Medical Center charging $25,600 per procedure. CJW charged more than $38,000 for esophagitis and gastrointestinal conditions, while Carilion Tazewell Community Hospital averaged $8,100 in those cases.

Maryland has a unique system for hospital rate charges, so differences were smaller, and its average rate was lower than that of any other state in the most common procedures reviewed by The Washington Post. The highest average charge for a lower joint replacement was $36,000 by University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, much lower than the highest rates in other states.

The Free Market system for Healthcare is all screwed up. Since they never tell how much a procedure is or will be and most don't shop around because when you're sick you don't exactly have the time to do so..that creates this situation

Experts attribute the disparities to a health system that can set prices with impunity because consumers rarely see them — and rarely shop for discounts. Although the government has collected this information for years, it was housed in a bulky database that researchers had to pay to access.

The hospital charges being released Wednesday — all from 2011 — show the hospitals’ average list prices. Adding another layer of opacity, Medicare and private insurance companies typically negotiate lower charges with hospitals. But the data shed light on fees that the uninsured could pay.

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“It’s true that Medicare and a lot of private insurers never pay the full charge,” said Renee Hsia, an assistant professor at the University of California at San Francisco Medical School whose research focuses on price variation. “But you have a lot of private insurance companies where the consumer pays a portion of the charge. For uninsured patients, they face the full bill. In that sense, the price matters.”

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Thats why community organizers and public civil servants should run healthcare.........More effieciencies....................lol

 

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Thats why community organizers and public civil servants should run healthcare.........More effieciencies....................lol

Thanks for adding nothing...

 

[Old Rocks]

There are a bunch of nations with Health Care Systems that take care of all of their citizens, and do so at about one half the cost of the system we have at present. And their outcomes, infant mortality and longevity are much better than ours. Seems to me we should be looking at how they achieve that outcome. Instead, this is our attitude;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Avorysuds]

Yes because until Obamacare Government had nothing to do with HC... It's all the free markets fault. Government makes all the medications and privet companies simply give people HIV.

 

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Yes because until Obamacare Government had nothing to do with HC... It's all the free markets fault. Government makes all the medications and privet companies simply give people HIV.

you guys are full of valid points today, thanks!

 

[Leweman]

If Americans ate right and exercised we'd shoot up to number 1 in health care without question and costs would go down.

 

[DiamondDave]

Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??



But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same

 

[DiamondDave]

There are a bunch of nations with Health Care Systems that take care of all of their citizens, and do so at about one half the cost of the system we have at present. And their outcomes, infant mortality and longevity are much better than ours. Seems to me we should be looking at how they achieve that outcome. Instead, this is our attitude;

"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube

All the rankings debunked already

Perhaps if everyone counted the same things, used the same standards for reporting etc.. it MIGHT be taken seriously.. but they are not and thus they are a joke

The purpose for all this 'ranking' bullshit being splattercast is to call for government healthcare where the entitlement junkie crowd can have someone else pay for their 'care'

 

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Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??



But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same

"Do Nothing!" - He chants

"Only Socialists want standardized healthcare costs, not ME!" - He snorts

 

[bendog]

We could have simply raised revenue progressively to fund tax credits so adults without coverage could get a physical or colonoscopy yearly. If they get real sick, they'd have been eligible for medicaid, which is arleady covering the kids with schips. Of course, the gop opposed even that.

Other countries have national insurance. However, not all have the govt as direct insurors. Poland and Sweden for example. Imo, obamacare will prove to be political overreach, but we'll see.

 

[Leweman]

Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.

 

[DiamondDave]

Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??



But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same

"Do Nothing!" - He chants

"Only Socialists want standardized healthcare costs, not ME!" - He snorts

Do for yourself, I chant.. don't expect government or others to take care of your shit for you

You can't standardize things of differing quality, cost, etc.. idiot... depending on having the top surgeon in the world or the one who was last in their class MAKES A DIFFERENCE... having it done in DesMoines IA compared to downtown NYC makes a difference

 

[Wacky Quacky]

If Americans ate right and exercised we'd shoot up to number 1 in health care without question and costs would go down.

That would require time and effort. Americans demand lap band surgery and magic pills.

 

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Walmart charges $4 for a tshirt.. Pimpercrombe and Bitch charges $45... What gives??



But leave it to a commie troll to want everything to be the same

"Do Nothing!" - He chants

"Only Socialists want standardized healthcare costs, not ME!" - He snorts

Do for yourself, I chant.. don't expect government or others to take care of your shit for you

You can't standardize things of differing quality, cost, etc.. idiot... depending on having the top surgeon in the world or the one who was last in their class MAKES A DIFFERENCE... having it done in DesMoines IA compared to downtown NYC makes a difference

Do healthcare for yourself, home surgeries!

 

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There are a bunch of nations with Health Care Systems that take care of all of their citizens, and do so at about one half the cost of the system we have at present. And their outcomes, infant mortality and longevity are much better than ours. Seems to me we should be looking at how they achieve that outcome. Instead, this is our attitude;

"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube

All the rankings debunked already

Perhaps if everyone counted the same things, used the same standards for reporting etc.. it MIGHT be taken seriously.. but they are not and thus they are a joke

The purpose for all this 'ranking' bullshit being splattercast is to call for government healthcare where the entitlement junkie crowd can have someone else pay for their 'care'

Dave is lying, no one debunked anything

 

[Leweman]

If Americans ate right and exercised we'd shoot up to number 1 in health care without question and costs would go down.

That would require time and effort. Americans demand lap band surgery and magic pills.

Yeah no kiddin ... that Chris Christie isn't setting a good example.

 

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Lifestyle is the biggest problem with healthcare in America. Michelle Obama, for all her flaws, at least has that one right. We've spent more treating diabetes than has been spent on all the wars in American history. 90 percent of diabetes is type 2 which typically can be managed or prevented by exercise and diet. Not too mention the number one killer in America is heart disease, once again prevented by diet and exercise.

The right even fights Michelle on taking care of yourself. They always chant do for yourself until Michelle Obama says it then they scream "Mind your business!"

 

[DiamondDave]

There are a bunch of nations with Health Care Systems that take care of all of their citizens, and do so at about one half the cost of the system we have at present. And their outcomes, infant mortality and longevity are much better than ours. Seems to me we should be looking at how they achieve that outcome. Instead, this is our attitude;

"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube

All the rankings debunked already

Perhaps if everyone counted the same things, used the same standards for reporting etc.. it MIGHT be taken seriously.. but they are not and thus they are a joke

The purpose for all this 'ranking' bullshit being splattercast is to call for government healthcare where the entitlement junkie crowd can have someone else pay for their 'care'

Dave is lying, no one debunked anything

Stossel debunked the WHO rankings.. the CDC and doctors debunked the infant mortality ratings....

YOU are indeed the liar.... ain't it time for you to create yet another troll thread to go to the rubber room or badlands??

 

[RDD_1210]

"Do Nothing!" - He chants

"Only Socialists want standardized healthcare costs, not ME!" - He snorts

Do for yourself, I chant.. don't expect government or others to take care of your shit for you

You can't standardize things of differing quality, cost, etc.. idiot... depending on having the top surgeon in the world or the one who was last in their class MAKES A DIFFERENCE... having it done in DesMoines IA compared to downtown NYC makes a difference

Do healthcare for yourself, home surgeries!

Dave is "Mr. Self Reliance and Personal Responsibility" yet has a job that someone else created for him.....the best part is that "someone else" is the United States Government. So our taxes dollars are paying to put food on Daves table yet he screams about "do for yourself, I don't expect government or other to take care of me".

You can't make this shit up!