Obama's wrong. Mass killings aren't uncommon in other countries

[tinydancer]

Ok you anti Second Amendment assholes what do you want? Tougher laws for law abiding citizens to purchase a gun?

Because FUCKING CRIMINALS DON'T FILL OUT FORMS TO PASS BACK GROUND CHECKS you idiots.

Criminals don't fucking care about laws.

So just what do you want?

 

[hortysir]

Ok you anti Second Amendment assholes what do you want? Tougher laws for law abiding citizens to purchase a gun?

Because FUCKING CRIMINALS DON'T FILL OUT FORMS TO PASS BACK GROUND CHECKS you idiots.

Criminals don't fucking care about laws.

So just what do you want?

It's an old saying but true

If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When has President Obumbler been right about anything?

 

[Care4all]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

 

[FA_Q2]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

Except that right there already shows you are not interested in an honest conversation on the matter. "Gun" murders is an asinine thing to reduce. You are coming at the problem with a preconceived notion that the guns are the issue that needs resolving. We need to reduce the number of MURDERS period - not qualify that with the implement used. IF gun control actually met that end then there would be something to it.

Unfortunately it does not. Reducing VIOLENCE is the key and gun control is not going to reduce violence.

 

[paddymurphy]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

Introduce yourself to the discipline of statistics. Mass killings are far less common in other countries. That does not mean they don't happen, as you seem to think.

 

[paddymurphy]

He's either a idiot or can't seem to find the time to tell the TRUTH ever

The idiots are those that simply don't understand that what he said is true.

 

[paddymurphy]

The difference being that each of these spree killings are one off's. The Charlie Hebdo and bakery shootings were connected, in France. The rest were isolated events in the countries where they occurred. In the US, there's one of these outrages every year, sometimes more often.

That's a lie. These "other countries" have murder count out in the nine figures column, hundreds of million, and it's all done by Progressive government on their unarmed citizens

Right. Hitler, Mao and Stalin were progressives. The stupidity of those posting her is without limit.

 

[hazlnut]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

He didn't say "other countries' lying sack of shit.

 

[rightwinger]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

Except that right there already shows you are not interested in an honest conversation on the matter. "Gun" murders is an asinine thing to reduce. You are coming at the problem with a preconceived notion that the guns are the issue that needs resolving. We need to reduce the number of MURDERS period - not qualify that with the implement used. IF gun control actually met that end then there would be something to it.

Unfortunately it does not. Reducing VIOLENCE is the key and gun control is not going to reduce violence.

Guns don't kill people....People with guns kill people

Having a gun in a VIOLENT situation increases the likelyhood of death rather than injury

 

[rightwinger]

Ok you anti Second Amendment assholes what do you want? Tougher laws for law abiding citizens to purchase a gun?

Because FUCKING CRIMINALS DON'T FILL OUT FORMS TO PASS BACK GROUND CHECKS you idiots.

Criminals don't fucking care about laws.

So just what do you want?

It's an old saying but true

If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns

But crazies, wife beaters, hotheads and most criminals will not

 

[hortysir]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

He didn't say "other countries' lying sack of shit.

Yes

He did

lair

"mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries"
Google it, idiOt

 

[hortysir]

The difference being that each of these spree killings are one off's. The Charlie Hebdo and bakery shootings were connected, in France. The rest were isolated events in the countries where they occurred. In the US, there's one of these outrages every year, sometimes more often.

That's a lie. These "other countries" have murder count out in the nine figures column, hundreds of million, and it's all done by Progressive government on their unarmed citizens

Right. Hitler, Mao and Stalin were progressives. The stupidity of those posting her is without limit.

"Posting her"?

Ironic post is ironic in its irony

 

[FA_Q2]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

Except that right there already shows you are not interested in an honest conversation on the matter. "Gun" murders is an asinine thing to reduce. You are coming at the problem with a preconceived notion that the guns are the issue that needs resolving. We need to reduce the number of MURDERS period - not qualify that with the implement used. IF gun control actually met that end then there would be something to it.

Unfortunately it does not. Reducing VIOLENCE is the key and gun control is not going to reduce violence.

Guns don't kill people....People with guns kill people

Having a gun in a VIOLENT situation increases the likelyhood of death rather than injury

When speaking of crimes and self defense the CDC says that is false:
Page 15 and 16 of "RESEARCH TO REDUCE THE THREAT OF FIREARM-RELATED VIOLENCE"

"Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004)."

Having a gun in a violent situation tends to REDUCE the risk of injury. That big man that thought he could man handle that woman will not be so brazen when she pulls a 45 and tells him to get lost.

 

[tinydancer]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

He didn't say "other countries' lying sack of shit.

Fuck you douche bag.

"Now is the time for mourning and for healing. But let's be clear. At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

Full text Obama s remarks on fatal shooting in Charleston S.C. - The Washington Post

 

[Jroc]

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

I love how conservatives cherry pick data

Comparing countries with one or two incidents with a nation that has 38. What is the statistical validity of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38?

My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

JRoc, your chart is NOT SOURCED, there is no link for how the chart was created and what source was used for the numbers and it is incomplete, where we can't see what the astericks next to 2013 means because the bottom of the chart is cut off, and in addition to this, your chart is limited to a handful of countries....and limited by only including 5 years, and only thru 2013, NOT 2015.... of which we have had NUMEROUS mass shootings since 2013

we also do not know when these countries instituted their gun control restrictions, we don't know what these countries were trending like before they instituted these restrictions and what the rate of mass shootings were before the restrictions were in place...

CHERRY PICKING tells us nothing.

Can you understand that?

During that 4 year period in this country 38 mass murders That means less than 10 per year. Is that an epidemic to you?

 

[Jroc]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of ideas from the "smart people " that you'd like to follow and you would no doubt advocate vigorously for. You do that all the time here. That's the nature of the leftist, they follow the "smart people" the people who know what's best

 

[paddymurphy]

hmmmm, i thought this thread was about Obama lying? At least that is how it was framed?

And the truth is, Obama did not lie in his statement, no matter which way you all try to twist and turn it and edit it....PERIOD. Take what he said, in full and not edited, and nothing has been shown that his statement was a lie....

As far as gun control or trying to reduce mass murder shootings, I personally have no idea how this could be done in full, without infringing on law abiding citizen's rights?

But it's possible, with putting our heads together... we could at least improve our situation with the gun shooting murders in the USA, without hurting law abiders with their right to bear arms....

An honest discussion, from both sides of the aisle, analyzing all the pros and cons to different measures is warranted....I'm sure all those murdered and their kin left behind, think so...and we should too....

If it comes out that we can do nothing with this after an honest debate, then so be it....but we should at least put some effort in to trying to come up with a solution to reduce the trend of gun murders...we owe it to the Nation, and people within.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of ideas from the "smart people " that you'd like to follow and you would no doubt advocate vigorously for. You do that all the time here. That's the nature of the leftist, they follow the "smart people" the people who know what's best

And you clearly like to follow stupid people and follow them.

 

[paddymurphy]

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

I love how conservatives cherry pick data

Comparing countries with one or two incidents with a nation that has 38. What is the statistical validity of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38?

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

JRoc, your chart is NOT SOURCED, there is no link for how the chart was created and what source was used for the numbers and it is incomplete, where we can't see what the astericks next to 2013 means because the bottom of the chart is cut off, and in addition to this, your chart is limited to a handful of countries....and limited by only including 5 years, and only thru 2013, NOT 2015.... of which we have had NUMEROUS mass shootings since 2013

we also do not know when these countries instituted their gun control restrictions, we don't know what these countries were trending like before they instituted these restrictions and what the rate of mass shootings were before the restrictions were in place...

CHERRY PICKING tells us nothing.

Can you understand that?

During that 4 year period in this country 38 mass murders That means less than 10 per year. Is that an epidemic to you?

 

[paddymurphy]

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

I love how conservatives cherry pick data

Comparing countries with one or two incidents with a nation that has 38. What is the statistical validity of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38?

WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?

"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.

Really?

If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings One Thing Jumps Out

Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.

yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....

Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie

JRoc, your chart is NOT SOURCED, there is no link for how the chart was created and what source was used for the numbers and it is incomplete, where we can't see what the astericks next to 2013 means because the bottom of the chart is cut off, and in addition to this, your chart is limited to a handful of countries....and limited by only including 5 years, and only thru 2013, NOT 2015.... of which we have had NUMEROUS mass shootings since 2013

we also do not know when these countries instituted their gun control restrictions, we don't know what these countries were trending like before they instituted these restrictions and what the rate of mass shootings were before the restrictions were in place...

CHERRY PICKING tells us nothing.

Can you understand that?

During that 4 year period in this country 38 mass murders That means less than 10 per year. Is that an epidemic to you?

To him and anyone who is not a complete fool.