Obama's wrong. Mass killings aren't uncommon in other countries

Despite Hussein fondness for Islam, it is hard to reconcile his statement that "mass killings are uncommon in other countries" with the constant mass killings occurring on a regular basis in the Middle Eastern countries.

As usual he turns a blind eye to the crimes committed by those of his heritage!

This man is prejudiced, discriminatory and can not be trusted.
Sad that conservatives hold us up to the standards of an Islamic hellhole

Read what countries Obama was actually comparing ourselves to

He's brought up Australia in the past and I've just put up a link to a study that shows although gun deaths are at a record low, death by knives has risen a staggering 11%.

And yes, the last mass murder in Australia was late last year when a mother stabbed eight children to death.

There's an old saying that is quite applicable to someone who wishes to harm others.

"Where there is a will, there is a way".

Sadly those that wish to do harm are now choosing knives.

"One of Australia’s worst mass killings, leaving eight children from the same family dead, has left the city of Cairns in shock.

The grim discovery of the bodies of children aged 18 months to 15 years was reportedly made by their adult brother at their home in Manoora, in the north Queensland city’s west.

The mother of seven of the children, 37, was being treated for stab wounds to the chest and was in a stable condition. Police said early on Saturday (local time) that she had been arrested for murder."

Mother arrested for murder after eight children stabbed to death in Cairns Australia news The Guardian
It really didn't inspire me

What else would happen to the statistics?

If you drop gun deaths from the percentage of the total deaths, other causes naturally are going to increase to make 100%

50% gun deaths, 25% stabbing, 25% strangling
Drop out the gun deaths and the percentage of the other two have to increase to make 100
 
He did not claim it never happens

Why do conservatives struggle with context?

"Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let's be clear: At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency," the president said as he stood next to Vice President Joe Biden. "It is in our power to do something about it… I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now."

I note that you seldom actual provide the quote jake, hard to argue with your opinion. I do not see how the quote is taken out of context. Or do you think saying NEVER then saying the "same frequency" has the same meaning? He said what he said, live with it. He made a distinction between advanced countries and other places. Lord knows what he really meant. But he had a fund raiser to get to so I assume he was in a hurry.
Context my boys Context

Why do Conservatives have such difficulty with it? Somehow, each sentence in a statement must stand on its own or conservatives can't figure it out

Like this one...A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

.
Still haven't learned the meaning of a comma, I see
Oh.....conservative
"Anything before a comma doesn't count"
No.....
It means "and"....therefore meaning they BOTH 'count'
No...."and" means and

If they wanted to say only the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed......they would have left it at that

They didn't
 
He's brought up Australia in the past and I've just put up a link to a study that shows although gun deaths are at a record low, death by knives has risen a staggering 11%.

An "staggering" 11% increase in stabbings in Australia means that stabbings have gone from 100 per year to 111.

I'll take the 30% decrease in gun deaths even if it means 11 more people get stabbed.
 
Right to choose to kill another human being. As RW (jake) says, killing on purpose.
No idea what you are babbling about

Abortion is legal
What happened in Charleston is not

Of course you refuse to understand, that is understandable.

Abortion, legal or not, is the purposeful chosen killing of a human being, whether you accept that definition or not. What do you think goes through the minds of these kids when they see that the killing of 1.2 million of our youth is simply reduced to a "choice?"

Both what the killer did and having an abortion are by choice jake, Neither choice do I agree with.


But fetuses and zygotes are not children. Far from it. Is birth control murder now?

that's what YOU believe. Other people FEEL different. If calling you child that you made some name like a zygotes. and You all don't mind aborting your offspring just for the hell of it. have at it

Hey Steph. Ever notice that you never see a headline that reads...

"Chelsea Clinton is with zygote and is expecting any day now"

OR

"Princess Kate is so happy to be bearing her second zygote. The Royal Family is thrilled at the news about the zygote."

OR

"Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are so excited to announce that Kim is with her second fetus. No names have been chosen for the fetus but Kim has definitely ruled out South for the fetus".

:lmao:

Exactly, but some people need to believe that I guess. it's Sad
and it's also sad what it says about our Society.
 
He's brought up Australia in the past and I've just put up a link to a study that shows although gun deaths are at a record low, death by knives has risen a staggering 11%.

An "staggering" 11% increase in stabbings in Australia means that stabbings have gone from 100 per year to 111.

I'll take the 30% decrease in gun deaths even if it means 11 more people get stabbed.

How do you come up with your numbers?

Gun deaths decreased by only 12% over 25 years. Knife deaths have increased 11% within just a decade.

  • Only 13 per cent of murders involved firearms, down from 25 per cent in 1989-90.
  • Use of knives has increased from 30 per cent to 41 per cent in a decade.
Murders at a low but knife use on the rise
 
"Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let's be clear: At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency," the president said as he stood next to Vice President Joe Biden. "It is in our power to do something about it… I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now."

I note that you seldom actual provide the quote jake, hard to argue with your opinion. I do not see how the quote is taken out of context. Or do you think saying NEVER then saying the "same frequency" has the same meaning? He said what he said, live with it. He made a distinction between advanced countries and other places. Lord knows what he really meant. But he had a fund raiser to get to so I assume he was in a hurry.
Context my boys Context

Why do Conservatives have such difficulty with it? Somehow, each sentence in a statement must stand on its own or conservatives can't figure it out

Like this one...A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

.
Still haven't learned the meaning of a comma, I see
Oh.....conservative
"Anything before a comma doesn't count"
No.....
It means "and"....therefore meaning they BOTH 'count'
No...."and" means and

If they wanted to say only the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed......they would have left it at that

They didn't

The Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation of militia.

This was the case of District of Columbia vs Heller where the Court upheld the right of the individual to bear arms.

AND backed up big time in McDonald vs Chicago by the 14th Amendment as well as the 2nd.

Your interpretation of who is allowed to have a weapon doesn't mean jack, Jack.
 
Australia today...

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My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries
WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?


"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.
Really?


Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.
yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....


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Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie :thup:
 
For crying out loud. what is the population of those first four countries?

what a dumb comparison.
 
Context my boys Context

Why do Conservatives have such difficulty with it? Somehow, each sentence in a statement must stand on its own or conservatives can't figure it out

Like this one...A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed

.
Still haven't learned the meaning of a comma, I see
Oh.....conservative
"Anything before a comma doesn't count"
No.....
It means "and"....therefore meaning they BOTH 'count'
No...."and" means and

If they wanted to say only the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed......they would have left it at that

They didn't

The Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation of militia.

This was the case of District of Columbia vs Heller where the Court upheld the right of the individual to bear arms.

AND backed up big time in McDonald vs Chicago by the 14th Amendment as well as the 2nd.

Your interpretation of who is allowed to have a weapon doesn't mean jack, Jack.

I love it when conservatives rally around the Supreme Court


Are you going to do it this week when they rule on same sex marriage?
 
My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries
WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?


"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.
Really?


Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.
yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....


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Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie :thup:

I love how conservatives cherry pick data

Comparing countries with one or two incidents with a nation that has 38. What is the statistical validity of a sample size of one vs a sample size of 38?
 
My head started to spin faster than Linda Blair's in the Exorcist when I read about Obama's claim. Sheesh. Either he's misinformed or that old liar is coming out in him again.

Here's his bullshit line:

"Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. … We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it." is the full quote.

So he's fucked up in his memory or lying again. How the hell do you forget Charlie Hebdo so damn quick Mr. President?

you and the right wing rag you are quoting ARE THE ONES LYING Tiny

That body count was 11. Including a policeman. Injured another 11.

And in support of that attack 5 Jews were slaughtered in France, 11 injured.

France is an advanced country is it not?

mmmmm' kay let's take a walk down memory lane and visit the worst shooting spree.

"In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp.

This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history.

Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences."

AND

"It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing."

AND

"In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanča, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11."

AND

"Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people. One man stabbed 22 children by himself. Two attackers killed 29 people and injured 143 at Chinese railway station last year."

Actually President Obama Mass Killings Aren t Uncommon In Other Countries
WHY do these RIGHT WING RAGS have to manipulate the TRUTH in order to CREATE CONTROVERSY?

Shame on you and them tiny....

WHY CUT OFF OBAMA'S QUOTE AND WHAT HE REALLY SAID?

Why?
You have CREATED AND MANUFACTURED the controversy on what he said, can't you see that?


"We do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun," Obama said at the White House. "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. It is in our power to do something about it."

SHAME on you! Honestly, you should be more careful in what these right wing media outlets say and check them for accuracy before you regurgitate their made up LIES.
Really?


Might wish to rethink your entire outrage that someone insulted Obama.
yes, really....

Even on this chart, it SHOWS that these type of incidences, (mass murder shooting incidences) DO NOT occur in other westernized nations as frequently as they do in the USA....even if you add up all of the people in the EU countries shown as a population equalizer with the USA population...there are more mass shootings occurrences in the USA than the EU....


Screenshot-6_18_2015-9_43_12-PM.jpg


Umm... You're wrong, as a percentage of the population we are # 5. Learn how to read a chart sweetie :thup:
JRoc, your chart is NOT SOURCED, there is no link for how the chart was created and what source was used for the numbers and it is incomplete, where we can't see what the astericks next to 2013 means because the bottom of the chart is cut off, and in addition to this, your chart is limited to a handful of countries....and limited by only including 5 years, and only thru 2013, NOT 2015.... of which we have had NUMEROUS mass shootings since 2013

we also do not know when these countries instituted their gun control restrictions, we don't know what these countries were trending like before they instituted these restrictions and what the rate of mass shootings were before the restrictions were in place...

CHERRY PICKING tells us nothing.

Can you understand that?
 
Cherry picking means that gun nuts can point to a single incident in one country and use it to justify our 38 incidents
 
Cherry picking means that gun nuts can point to a single incident in one country and use it to justify our 38 incidents
the 38 is wrong also, we've had many more mass shootings than the 38, during that period.... some States like Florida s just one example, don't report their mass shootings in full to the FBI or many times, not at all....

A mass shooting is defined as 4 or more people killed in the shooting incident...

In this one VERIFIED CHART, from 2009 thru 2013, we had 141 Mass shootings in the USA, with many States not reporting them in full to FBI....

NOT THIS 38 number for the 5 years for Mass Shootings BUT 141.....

So I have no idea how the creators of this chart got to their number of 38?

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USA TODAY BEHIND THE BLOODSHED THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICA S MASS KILLINGS
 
The difference being that each of these spree killings are one off's. The Charlie Hebdo and bakery shootings were connected, in France. The rest were isolated events in the countries where they occurred. In the US, there's one of these outrages every year, sometimes more often.
Absolutely right.
 
I fail to see how putting up examples of single attacks in other countries qualify as a common occurrence

38 in this country makes them common
 

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