Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Dr Grump]

Pure capitalism doesn't work. The Great Depression and 2008 and this year has proven it...

You have zero grasp on economics - ergo you are a leftist.

Pure capitalism, indeed....

Whatamaroon.

Then what's your beef, loser?

 

[mudwhistle]

CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY - TRAILER - YouTube​

And how does that fat fuck Michael Moore get his "movies" produced and distributed? Where does the money come from?

He writes books/scripts and runs them by producers like everyone else.

Documentaries don't cost that much to make anyway. It isn't like he hires Brad Pitt and films using IMax cameras

His documentaries still cost millions to write, direct, film, and produce.

The purpose of his films is to separate you from your money.


That's Capitalism.

Government separates you from your money but they do it through laws and regulations. Figuring your money is theirs and they only let you have a percentage of it is Socialism.

Capitalism offers goods and services for the money they take.

Socialism offers nothing to the majority of those they take it from.

 

[Luissa]

So Luissa, who believes the tea parties are part of some big republican/right wing uber rich agenda also believes that the wall street protests are part of some big democrat/left wing uber rich agenda.

Good to know

Yeah, I saw that.

I was just playing along with her game

While I was playing your's. lol

 

[Dr Grump]

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

 

[California Girl]

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

 

[Si modo]

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

He's not a neocon. I am, but he isn't.

 

[Luissa]

And if you watched the film, you know he is against unregulated capitalism. Along with integrating socialism and capitalism. I think the mentioning of his dad being a union worker and providing for his family on just that income is an example of that. But hey, I just bothered to watch the movie.

And how does that fat fuck Michael Moore get his "movies" produced and distributed? Where does the money come from?

He writes books/scripts and runs them by producers like everyone else.

Documentaries don't cost that much to make anyway. It isn't like he hires Brad Pitt and films using IMax cameras

His documentaries still cost millions to write, direct, film, and produce.

The purpose of his films is to separate you from your money.


That's Capitalism.

Government separates you from your money but they do it through laws and regulations. Figuring your money is theirs and they only let you have a percentage of it is Socialism.

Capitalism offers goods and services for the money they take.

Socialism offers nothing to the majority of those they take it from.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nothing like a little economic "hydraulics".

Oh but he didn't give directly to them. He gave to THIS organization which then had the money to give to THIS organization who then gave the same amount to those fuckers....

See? He didn't give anything to them. You are expected and ordered to be too dumb to notice such things. This is a privilege only for the elites among us.

LOL My mom made me play "connect the dots" a lot as a child, it paid off

You know what I think is funny? You guys will go after George all day long, but never say one word about the Koch brothers.

How many economies have the Koch Brothers destroyed????

 

[Dr Grump]

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

In your opinion....

From what I've seen on both Fox and CNN, these people want reform on Wall St. I have not seen one of the reasonable interviewees say that they want to control jack...

 

[Mr. Jones]

Well, there is a list. It's quite entertaining reading. You need to take a look at it. You'll laugh.

Oh, I've seen it. That's why I mentioned them and told Dragon that they were non-conducive to the existence of capitalism and/or corporations.

Then he told me they have no demands and denied that those are the demands.

Then he said he just 'wants dialog' about some nondescript issues.

I said, okie doke. But I am wondering with whom they want this dialog - looks like bums.

Maybe the leaders of the 'leaderless' OWS forgot to tell the protesters what they are protesting about.

A fool and their liberty - are soon parted.

The actual organizing principle of the demonstrations is to speak with moral clarity of the economic inequality of our current system. The purpose is not to attack capitalism but rather an industry whose wealth was guarded to the hilt by government intervention — backed up by trillons of dollars of taxpayer money through programs like the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and near-zero interest Federal Reserve lending — a form of government intervention that the banking industry received but millions of foreclosed on homeowners and debt-laden students did not get.

One of the most popular demands at Occupy Wall Street is to get Big Money out of politics.
The occupation of Wall Street has now entered its third week and protests are spreading like wildfire throughout the country.

As the protests continue to grow, the media is increasingly taking notice. Yet many of these media outlets are insisting on referring to the protests as “anti-capitalist.” Here are just a few examples:

– The Washington Post: The leading paper wrote today that “New York’s budding anti-capitalism protest movement began last month with a vague sense of grievance over the widening gap between the rich and poor in America.” [10/3/11]

– Fox News: “Anti-Capitalist Protests Spread Across America” [10/3/11]

– The New York Daily News: In a photo slideshow published last week, the paper referred to the demonstrators as “anti-capitalist protesters” who were targeting “corporate greed.” [9/30/11]

– Mediaite: Mediaite referred to the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations as “vaguely left-wing, anti-capitalist protesters.” [10/01/11]

Even progressive outlets are referring to the protests as “anti-capitalist.”

This morning, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) advanced this meme. During an appearance on C-SPAN, West was asked about the protests. The congressman responded that it was wrong for the protesters to be saying they “hate capitalism” and that the United States would be “lost” without faith in the free market. Watch it:

There are indeed some anti-capitalist protesters among the people at Occupy Wall Street, just as there are protesters who are against the death penalty, or want to combat climate change, or any number of other causes, which is the norm at most mass protests. Some of the protesters are even supporters of the ultra-capitalist Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).


During a teach-in at Zucotti Park, the site of the occupation, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz explained that what Wall Street is practicing is “not capitalism.”

“We are bearing the costs of their [bankers'] misdeeds,” he said. “There’s a system where we socialize losses and privatize gains. That’s not capitalism. That’s not a market economy. That’s a distorted economy, (THAT IS FASCISM)
and if we continue with that, we won’t succeed in growing.” Watch the video of Stiglitz’s teach-in:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TF8L2DWhpw&feature=player_embedded]Joseph Stiglitz and Jeff Madrick @ #occupywallstreet Open Economic Forum - YouTube[/ame]


One of the popular viral offshoots of the Occupy Wall Street movement has been the slogan “We Are The 99 Percent” — referring to an economic struggle between 99 percent of Americans and the super-rich 1 percent. Hundreds of Americans have contributed to the We Are The 99 Percent Tumblr. These Americans aren’t Marxist radicals nor are they anti-capitalist ideologues. They, like most Americans,
( UNLIKE THE MAJORITY OF POSTERS IN THIS THREAD, OR SO IT SEEMS)
are angry about being squeezed by an unjust economy wrecked in part by Wall Street’s misdeeds.
(AND OUR ELECTED POLITICAL LEADERS ALLOWED IT)

COMMENTS-
NPR interviewed one of the OWS people yesterday who summed up the purpose of the movement, "We are not against wealth," he said, "and we are not against capitalism. But we are against greed and we want democracy." At its heart OWS is achingly mainstream... if people would just listen to what they are saying they would see that these people demonstrating in Zucotti Park are saying what the majority of Americans (left, right and center) are thinking: business is screwed up and it is time for an intervention to save American business from itself before it destroys itself completely.

I heard the interview with two of the protesters, 1 in Boston and the other in Chicago I believe. Both young men were articulate and very well informed - a stark contrast to the viral videos shot a Tea Party rallies. It is infuriating that so much of the corporate press is going out of its way to marginalize these people. There message is very clear and the Tumblr - We Are the 99 Percent is very poignant and filled with testimonies of everyday people desperately struggling. Apparently the messages are much to poignant and accessible for any corporate infotainer to take the time to review and do some actual journalism.

At least they have their 'anti-capitalist' talking points in sync. I refer to them as Pro-American demonstrations. These demonstrations are the essence of what it is to be American. I'm all for capitalism. Capitalism with rules, Capitalism of the people, Capitalism with Social programs. All countries are Socialist. All Countries are Capitalist. It is getting the right mix of the two which leads to a just society for all of us. Too far one way and all power rests in the hands of Corporations, too far the other way and all power rests in the hands of the government. Now the pendulum is on the side of Corporations.

Memo To The Media: It’s Not ‘Anti-Capitalist’ To Protest An Industry That Was Saved By Trillions Of Taxpayer Dollars | ThinkProgress

 

[California Girl]

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

In your opinion....

From what I've seen on both Fox and CNN, these people want reform on Wall St. I have not seen one of the reasonable interviewees say that they want to control jack...

Then read their website.... that's where I'm getting my information.... not from the media, from OWS themselves.

Oops.

 

[Dr Grump]

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

He's not a neocon. I am, but he isn't.

Anybody who says "You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim." when these people clearly aren't (in the normal world)...is a neocon whackjob....

 

[Si modo]

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

He's not a neocon. I am, but he isn't.

Anybody who says "You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim." when these people clearly aren't (in the normal world)...is a neocon whackjob....

I'm not Dragon.

But, I am a neocon. So, I have a pretty good grasp of what I am and who is not.

 

[Dr Grump]

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

In your opinion....

From what I've seen on both Fox and CNN, these people want reform on Wall St. I have not seen one of the reasonable interviewees say that they want to control jack...

Then read their website.... that's where I'm getting my information.... not from the media, from OWS themselves.

Oops.

I have. What parts are you talking about? Links?

Oops....

 

[Dr Grump]

He's not a neocon. I am, but he isn't.

Anybody who says "You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim." when these people clearly aren't (in the normal world)...is a neocon whackjob....

I'm not Dragon.

But, I am a neocon. So, I have a pretty good grasp of what I am and who is not.

I know. You were saying he wasn't a neocon. I was giving you an example of why he clearly is....

 

[mudwhistle]

And if you watched the film, you know he is against unregulated capitalism. Along with integrating socialism and capitalism. I think the mentioning of his dad being a union worker and providing for his family on just that income is an example of that. But hey, I just bothered to watch the movie.

He writes books/scripts and runs them by producers like everyone else.

Documentaries don't cost that much to make anyway. It isn't like he hires Brad Pitt and films using IMax cameras

His documentaries still cost millions to write, direct, film, and produce.

The purpose of his films is to separate you from your money.


That's Capitalism.

Government separates you from your money but they do it through laws and regulations. Figuring your money is theirs and they only let you have a percentage of it is Socialism.

Capitalism offers goods and services for the money they take.

Socialism offers nothing to the majority of those they take it from.

Michael Moore is full of shit.

You think you're so smart but you're too stupid to figure out he's a fake.

He's made himself into a millionaire by using the very system he criticizes.

"The Democratic Party is Stupid, and So Are Americans" - Michael Moore

 

[Si modo]

Anybody who says "You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim." when these people clearly aren't (in the normal world)...is a neocon whackjob....

I'm not Dragon.

But, I am a neocon. So, I have a pretty good grasp of what I am and who is not.

I know. You were saying he wasn't a neocon. I was giving you an example of why he clearly is....

Well, whatever you were trying to say is unrecognizable as anything even approaching the neoconservative philosophy.

 

[California Girl]

In your opinion....

From what I've seen on both Fox and CNN, these people want reform on Wall St. I have not seen one of the reasonable interviewees say that they want to control jack...

Then read their website.... that's where I'm getting my information.... not from the media, from OWS themselves.

Oops.

I have. What parts are you talking about? Links?

Oops....

Oh, for God's sake.... it's been linked at least twice in this thread alone. And it's been pasted verbatum at least once. What the hell is the matter with you? Are you still in a high chair?

I work on the theory that, if I am going to participate in a discussion about a topic.... I fucking read up on it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am going to occupy wall street.

Cardboard box...check

Bottle of Maddog44 ...check

Doobie ... check

Other stuff ... check.

Maddog 44?

Is that stronger than the old MD 20/20?

Where the hell is Aleister Crowley? He's going to want some of that!

 

[mudwhistle]

I am going to occupy wall street.

Cardboard box...check

Bottle of Maddog44 ...check

Doobie ... check

Other stuff ... check.

Don't forget your pickle-jars.