Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[mudwhistle]

Really, "Dr. Grump"? Then explain the OWS organizers frantic efforts to keep their people's views from being made public. The truth is...a $20 an hour minimum wage...a guaranteed "living wage"...and wiping out all debts...those goals are about as far left as you can get. What those "children" are asking for is laughable and simply proves that the activists down on Wall Street don't have a clue how to fix the economic situation we're in. They blame bankers for the nations problems but they don't demand reform to the banking system...they demand free stuff for themselves.

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

It's a bunch of kids trying to act like the Tea Party and failing miserably.

 

[Dr Grump]

I'm not Dragon.

But, I am a neocon. So, I have a pretty good grasp of what I am and who is not.

I know. You were saying he wasn't a neocon. I was giving you an example of why he clearly is....

Well, whatever you were trying to say is unrecognizable as anything even approaching the neoconservative philosophy.

No, I knew you were referring to the traditional definition, but like many words (communism and socialism being but two) they have been bastardised over the years and now have a different meaning...

 

[Si modo]

I know. You were saying he wasn't a neocon. I was giving you an example of why he clearly is....

Well, whatever you were trying to say is unrecognizable as anything even approaching the neoconservative philosophy.

No, I knew you were referring to the traditional definition, but like many words (communism and socialism being but two) they have been bastardised over the years and now have a different meaning...

True.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Then what's your beef, loser?

The USA has never had anything approaching "pure capitalism," and certainly not in the years of the CRA/LMI ponzi scheme that brought about the 2008 meltdown.

Like most, if not all leftists, you are an ignorant fool. (Ergo, you are a leftist.)

 

[Dr Grump]

Then read their website.... that's where I'm getting my information.... not from the media, from OWS themselves.

Oops.

I have. What parts are you talking about? Links?

Oops....

Oh, for God's sake.... it's been linked at least twice in this thread alone. And it's been pasted verbatum at least once. What the hell is the matter with you? Are you still in a high chair?

I work on the theory that, if I am going to participate in a discussion about a topic.... I fucking read up on it.

1) There are over 540 posts - sorry I haven't met you high standards and read every single post. I'm sure you have read every single one, right?
2) I have looked at the site. There are many different views. In fact, some have posted that some of the posts do not represent the views of the OWS folk, which is why I want you to be more specific. If you can't, no big deal.
3) I'm out of my high chair, but it appears you are still throwing toys out of your cot....

 

[Dot Com]

 

[Dr Grump]

Then what's your beef, loser?

The USA has never had anything approaching "pure capitalism," and certainly not in the years of the CRA/LMI ponzi scheme that brought about the 2008 meltdown.

Like most, if not all leftists, you are an ignorant fool. (Ergo, you are a leftist.)

Funnily enough I agree with regard to the ponzi scheme, to a point

Everything else has gone over your head. Being a right-wing loon, that is no surprise. Any indepth discussion that goes past two sentences has you floundering...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I've seen a semi-official list of grievances, but so far no demands, no. Were you thinking of that bogus list of 11 demands that someone or other posted on the OWS web site forum?

PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands' - Washington Times

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

You left out the complete titile-
Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! (User Submitted)
Clicking the link you submitted will reveal your attempt to mislead.

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

Nice try at spreading disinformation...fucking hack.

i actually provided 2 links. Before jumping off that bridge maybe you should try looking

And I provided the links, if I was trying to deceive I would have used the blog that had only the demands instead of the link from a newspaper and the occupy website. Idiot.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY - TRAILER - YouTube​

And how does that fat fuck Michael Moore get his "movies" produced and distributed? Where does the money come from?

Does Micheal Moore Keep his profits or donate all of it exept for a living wage?

Evil capitalist making money off the fools who think he is against capitalism...much like i'm doing saturday with my 100 "fuck wall street" t-shirts

 

[California Girl]

I have. What parts are you talking about? Links?

Oops....

Oh, for God's sake.... it's been linked at least twice in this thread alone. And it's been pasted verbatum at least once. What the hell is the matter with you? Are you still in a high chair?

I work on the theory that, if I am going to participate in a discussion about a topic.... I fucking read up on it.

1) There are over 540 posts - sorry I haven't met you high standards and read every single post. I'm sure you have read every single one, right?
2) I have looked at the site. There are many different views. In fact, some have posted that some of the posts do not represent the views of the OWS folk, which is why I want you to be more specific. If you can't, no big deal.
3) I'm out of my high chair, but it appears you are still throwing toys out of your cot....

Your laziness is not my problem. The list is there. I'm not spoon feeding people who can't be bothered to find information for themselves.

But one of those 'demands' is a global 'drop all debt'. Nice that a bunch of whiners in Wall Street can demand how your country behaves, huh?

Just in case going up a couple of posts is too hard for ya, here:

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Pure capitalism doesn't work. The Great Depression and 2008 and this year has proven it...

You have zero grasp on economics - ergo you are a leftist.

Pure capitalism, indeed....

Whatamaroon.

Then what's your beef, loser?

I think his beef is that the USA hasn't operated under pure capitalism for a LONG LONG TIME.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Yeah, I saw that.

I was just playing along with her game

While I was playing your's. lol

I notice we were both civil, unlike some posts

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

LOL My mom made me play "connect the dots" a lot as a child, it paid off

You know what I think is funny? You guys will go after George all day long, but never say one word about the Koch brothers.

How many economies have the Koch Brothers destroyed????

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVuoQa3r-vc]George Soros NEW WORLD ORDER! China must be brought in! Orderly Decline of Dollar! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wry Catcher]

Who knows what they ALL think. You are a neocon, so therefore live in a sound bite world. You think there are not extremists there (just like the tea party) who get all the attention?

As for not having a clue, the OWS absolutely want reform...
As for free stuff for themselves ....pfffftttt..

At the end of the day, they find the idea of the govt bailing these doyens of capitalism out, then stuffing multi million dollar bonuses in their own pockets, as repugnant. As they should. As you should, too.

And to add insult to the injury, when people demand reform, and politicians demand reform, these meglomanical modern-day Gordon Gecko's threaten the system and the markets, and spend millions lobbying against these reforms.

While there are some unsavoury elements in this OWS, their grass roots, overall ambition is to say to Wall St, "Sure, make some money, but not at our expense; greed is not good; and trying to make yourself megarich because the almighty dollar is god, is not cool or in the best interests of the country"....

OWS has no 'grass roots'. They are a bunch of kids being manipulated by a bunch of left wing whackjobs to further their global agenda.

You want these people telling your businesses in NZ what they can and can not do? Because that's what they want.

It's a bunch of kids trying to act like the Tea Party and failing miserably.

Liar.

 

[MikeK]

I'd rather have this one question answered:

If we do away with capitalism, what is it to be replaced with and how will this be implemented?

I suspect the real answer is damning to the movement.

In spite of the deceptive nonsense being spewed by the corporatist propaganda machine there is absolutely no intention at any level of this movement to "do away with capitalism." This Nation's economy was doing just fine with its regulated capitalist base until 1980, when the emerging corporatocracy installed the puppet from General Electric who initiated Milton Friedman's so called "trickle down" which turned out to be siphon up economics. What we are seeing now is incremental disassembly of the middle class and the purpose of this movement is to put a stop to it.

If you belong to the middle class you would do well to realize it's a matter of time until the neo-Robber Barons of Wall Street get around to doing to you and yours what they've already done to millions of formerly secure working class Americans.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why would anyone defend 'Wall Street'?

 

[California Girl]

I'd rather have this one question answered:

If we do away with capitalism, what is it to be replaced with and how will this be implemented?

I suspect the real answer is damning to the movement.

In spite of the deceptive nonsense being spewed by the corporatist propaganda machine there is absolutely no intention at any level of this movement to "do away with capitalism." This Nation's economy was doing just fine with its regulated capitalist base until 1980, when the emerging corporatocracy installed the puppet from General Electric who initiated Milton Friedman's so called "trickle down" which turned out to be siphon up economics. What we are seeing now is incremental disassembly of the middle class and the purpose of this movement is to put a stop to it.

If you belong to the middle class you would do well to realize it's a matter of time until the neo-Robber Barons of Wall Street get around to doing to you and yours what they've already done to millions of formerly secure working class Americans.

Liar.

 

[California Girl]

Why would anyone defend 'Wall Street'?

Who's 'defending' Wall Street?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Funnily enough I agree with regard to the ponzi scheme, to a point

Everything else has gone over your head. Being a right-wing loon, that is no surprise. Any indepth discussion that goes past two sentences has you floundering...

Bravado won't hide the fact that you are an uneducated buffoon with no grasp at all of economic theory. You have no clue what Laissez Faire capitalism is, and really should be slapped by the invisible hand.

You are of the envy and greed driven left who holds an economic philosophy espoused simply in "Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee."

The OWS fools are drooling slobs with Union goons co-opting their idiotic temper tantrum. Not one of you dolts can elucidate a coherent message from the OWS crowd. You try to chant Tea Party slogans but you don't have the requisite intellect to grasp the meaning behind it all.

Irrelevant now as this has devolved into nothing more than another SUEI greed fest where unions demand that everyone else sacrifice to feed their piggy snouts in the trough.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why would anyone defend 'Wall Street'?

Who's 'defending' Wall Street?

Liar.