Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Uncensored2008]

I do. If you weren't so mystified by partisan claptrap, you might, too.

No you don't - you know what YOUR objectives are. BUT, you Marxists are a tiny faction in the Shitter Revolution. Your objectives have nothing to do with the objectives of SEIU or the AFL/CIO nor with the morons thinking they'll get free tuition and can spend their lives as professional students.

The problem is that you're looking for simple statements that will fill a sound bite or fit on a bumper sticker. Something that requires a little more thought seems to be outside your normal scope.

What we want is rationality, which there is none of.

What they want is to get the influence of corporate money out of politics,

But how to do that and keep Union influence and money in politics. SCOTUS ruled that if monopoly unions can buy politicians, so can corporations. You aren't opposed to buying politicians, you just want to make sure that only your side can do it.

get government to serve the public interest instead of private profit,

Most of the Shitters have iPhones. Do you think the corporate sold and Chinese sweatshop made iPhone serves the public interest?

Who had more of a positive impact on the lives of most people, billionaire and corporate mogul, who closed plants to offshore, who was renowned as a tyrant, Steve Jobs, or Mother Theresa?

I have to go with the greedy corporate pig, Jobs. Most of your fellow Shitters were all a-Twitter when Jobs died, too fucking stupid they were to comprehend that he was the epitome of Wall Street and everything they protest against. Ah but Shitters, stupid fucks they are.

and as a result restore the middle class,

Middle class? You mean the Bourgeoisie? Yeah, you Marxists are true friend of the Bourgeoisie....

narrow income gaps, and give ordinary people a decent chance at success.

And how do the Shitters propose to do that?

That's perfectly comprehensible. You may disagree with them about some of it, but that doesn't mean they don't stand for anything. It just means you disagree with what they do stand for.

It's a fantasy with no substance, even in your flaccid nonsense here, you've proposed absolutely nothing.

You hate those who have more - what is your proposal?

You want more? What is your means of getting it?

This is outside the party system, too. The Democrats are just about as bad as the Republicans, or nearly so, in terms of being corrupt and in service to Wall Street. So this is definitely NOT about electing Democrats next year. Probably most OWS participants will vote Democratic, but that's not going to be their main focus, as it was in 2008.

The good news is that most of the Shitters won't bother to vote. The damage you have done to the fascist democrats with this is huge, so you've handed the Republicans all three branches. Oh you don't grasp it, you think you're winning like Charlie Sheen, and you'll claim conspiracy when the fruits of your idiocy are ripe, next November..

Now you can put a little effort into actually understanding this movement, or you can go on screaming at it so the sound of your own voice drowns out all information and saves you from the danger of learning anything. I know which way I'd bet, but maybe you'll surprise me.

I understand the Shitter Revolution completely; "Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee."

It's all it has ever been or ever will be.

 

[MikeK]

Exactly. It takes both hard work AND smart work, because that is what the market supports.

Could you be more specific about what you mean by "hard work AND smart work?" Are you suggesting that only those who obtain graduate degrees in some currently demanded field, such as nanotechnology, medicine or business administration will survive while the rest, the less ambitious and less scholastic, are kicked to the curb? If so your vision of society is rather Orwellian.

The reason why American colleges offer non-technical, non-business oriented, degree-level CVs is our economy has until recently been sufficiently healthy as to offer appropriate employment to educated persons including those whose interests lie outside the fields of medicine, technology, business and industry. America is not China or India and we should not be willing to allow those who wish to transform our society into a two-class plutocracy.

 

[Mr Natural]

There was once a time in this country not too long ago when a person without extensive education, training, or skills could work at a job that actually afforded him a piece of the "American Dream".

That, sadly, is no longer the case.

 

[earlycuyler]

There was once a time in this country not too long ago when a person without extensive education, training, or skills could work at a job that actually afforded him a piece of the "American Dream".

That, sadly, is no longer the case.

I thought those where the jobs that Americans wouldn't do .

 

[MikeK]

I started on "Wall Street" (One Battery Park) and I tell you this OWS is beyond asinine, its asiten!

If these "patriotic millionaires" Want to pay more...feel free to write a check and shut the fuck up

The biggest joke is Buffett who has made a total ass clown of himself by shilling for Obama and not just about the tax disputes BRK has with the IRS. Do you know why the vast majority of BRK's acquisitions are structure as stock swaps? Take a guess!

It is obvious you haven't watched the, Inside Job, video. Because if you had you would know what you're talking about and you (probably) wouldn't have the audacity to pronounce such nonsense as above. The simple fact of the matter is the Wall Street schemers, scam artists, manipulators and fraud specialists are directly responsible for looting our economy and disassembling the middle class.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There was once a time in this country not too long ago when a person without extensive education, training, or skills could work at a job that actually afforded him a piece of the "American Dream".

That, sadly, is no longer the case.

Yep, no one without advanced college degrees could achieve what Steve Jobs did....

 

[MikeK]

There was once a time in this country not too long ago when a person without extensive education, training, or skills could work at a job that actually afforded him a piece of the "American Dream".

That, sadly, is no longer the case.

I thought those where the jobs that Americans wouldn't do .

My son-in-law started working for UPS sorting packages on the night shift. He went from that to loading trucks, then route driving. Now he drives a trailer on night airport runs. He earns as much as I ever did and I have a university education. That's the way America used to be and it's the way it should be and would be now were it not for the Wall Street scheming and government corruption which has sold America out, undermined our economy and disassembled the hard-won middle class that our parents and grandparents fought so hard to build.

 

[Uncensored2008]

My son-in-law started working for UPS sorting packages on the night shift. He went from that to loading trucks, then route driving. Now he drives a trailer on night airport runs. He earns as much as I ever did and I have a university education. That's the way America used to be and it's the way it should be and would be now were it not for the Wall Street scheming and government corruption which has sold America out, undermined our economy and disassembled the hard-won middle class that our parents and grandparents fought so hard to build.

Ayup, a job a trained squirrel could do should pay just as much as an advanced degree does.

Y'all leftists sure value education....

 

[flacaltenn]

Exactly. It takes both hard work AND smart work, because that is what the market supports.

Could you be more specific about what you mean by "hard work AND smart work?" Are you suggesting that only those who obtain graduate degrees in some currently demanded field, such as nanotechnology, medicine or business administration will survive while the rest, the less ambitious and less scholastic, are kicked to the curb? If so your vision of society is rather Orwellian.

The reason why American colleges offer non-technical, non-business oriented, degree-level CVs is our economy has until recently been sufficiently healthy as to offer appropriate employment to educated persons including those whose interests lie outside the fields of medicine, technology, business and industry. America is not China or India and we should not be willing to allow those who wish to transform our society into a two-class plutocracy.

You don't have a clue do you? Do you need to be a rocket scientist to build jet engines? No.. But it takes SEVERAL maybe HUNDREDS of people with those skills that you were demeaning as a "class" to START AND RUN a jet engine biz. In the same way -- the ONLY way this country maintains a standard of living is to PROMOTE exactly those skill sets that you mentioned. Nanotech, BioTech, Artificial Intelliengence, Robotics, Medical products, ect. The skill set of American workers DOES need to get a boost. But that doesn't mean a "2-class" system. Only a dedicated Marxist would think that way.

 

[Trajan]

There was once a time in this country not too long ago when a person without extensive education, training, or skills could work at a job that actually afforded him a piece of the "American Dream".

That, sadly, is no longer the case.

called a plumber lately? Or an electrician? please huh.

 

[Uncensored2008]

called a plumber lately? Or an electrician? please huh.

Plumbing takes knowledge and skill.

Driving a UPS truck takes, well, a pulse....

 

[Preius]

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."

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Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get slapped into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

Is there anything more stupid or idiotic than this? Really. Isn't this the HEIGHT of manipulation.

IF these millionaires are so serious about increasing taxes on the wealthy, you just have to ask if they take advantage of every loophole themselves? Do they claim every deduction they are entitlted to. How much is the separate check they write the Treasury Department every year.

They do none of that. They are moved for some emotion that causes them to assuage their guilt at being wealthy by raising taxes on everyone else. They will take advantage of every loophole, they will scour the accounting for deductions and no they won't write a separate check to the Treasury.

I am no millionaire, but my income is six digits. My instructions to my highly paid tax accountant are the same every year. Get me as many deductions as I am entitled to, but don't get me audited. From time to time I have actually taken a pass on a deduction because my tax guy would say something like, "We believe this year they are looking more closely at xyz type deductions. Let's not push the envelope in that area."

You know when I read a post like yours, if I was a millionaire I'd say, "Why am I even bothering to try and help these morons. Fu*k them. When I look at the money Americans waste on RV's, chrome accessories for pick up trucks, or sporting events it is clear these idiots can not manage the money they have, "let them eat cake."

In the 1770s when Marie Antoinette was Queen of France, and was told the bread box for most French was empty, she said "Let them eat cake." She was so out-of-touch with reality she believed everyone was like her. If the bread box was empty, go to the cake box. This remark increased hatred ofsKing Louis XVI and Marie. Eventually, both were guillotined for ignoring the needs of the French people. This is a story Wall Street millionaires would do well to remember.​

 

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[Uncensored2008]

I am no millionaire, but my income is six digits.

Made it big in gay porn, huh?

My instructions to my highly paid tax accountant are the same every year. Get me as many deductions as I am entitled to, but don't get me audited. From time to time I have actually taken a pass on a deduction because my tax guy would say something like, "We believe this year they are looking more closely at xyz type deductions. Let's not push the envelope in that area."

You know when I read a post like yours, if I was a millionaire I'd say, "Why am I even bothering to try and help these morons. Fu*k them. When I look at the money Americans waste on RV's, chrome accessories for pick up trucks, or sporting events it is clear these idiots can not manage the money they have, let them eat cake."

You are so very magnanimous...

 

[Preius]

I think a large number of people here would be surprised how many athletes and celebrities they support are millionaires. Let's start with lefty commedian Bill Maher. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are getting a divorce they will divide $289,000,000 between them. Here is a short list of the ten richest athletes. Woods leads Top 100 list of athletes - UPI.com

The funny thing to me is the very people complaining about millionaire celebs are the ones who made them millionaires and celebs!

Maybe the 99% are broke because they are stupid. And, this comes from a moderate to liberal Democrat. I support the 99% across the board. But, who are they to knock those who have the talent to earn a million dollars? Sure, I hate the breaks a hedge fund manager gets, and basically CEOs are nothing but overpaid PR people, but most of the 8.9 MILLION American millionaires earned their money because they offer something the rest of us are willing to pay for.

If the day ever comes when I am a millionaire, I will do every legal thing to hang on to it, but I will also continue to financially support to liberal social causes. If posters want to be rude to patriotic millionaires who support the 99%, those posters are fools.

 

[Si modo]

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."

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Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get slapped into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

Is there anything more stupid or idiotic than this? Really. Isn't this the HEIGHT of manipulation.

IF these millionaires are so serious about increasing taxes on the wealthy, you just have to ask if they take advantage of every loophole themselves? Do they claim every deduction they are entitlted to. How much is the separate check they write the Treasury Department every year.

They do none of that. They are moved for some emotion that causes them to assuage their guilt at being wealthy by raising taxes on everyone else. They will take advantage of every loophole, they will scour the accounting for deductions and no they won't write a separate check to the Treasury.

I am no millionaire, but my income is six digits. My instructions to my highly paid tax accountant are the same every year. Get me as many deductions as I am entitled to, but don't get me audited. From time to time I have actually taken a pass on a deduction because my tax guy would say something like, "We believe this year they are looking more closely at xyz type deductions. Let's not push the envelope in that area."

You know when I read a post like yours, if I was a millionaire I'd say, "Why am I even bothering to try and help these morons. Fu*k them. When I look at the money Americans waste on RV's, chrome accessories for pick up trucks, or sporting events it is clear these idiots can not manage the money they have, "let them eat cake."

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Yet another example of the authoritarian mentality of the radical left. Who are you to judge what constitutes a waste of money? If they prefer chrome bling for a truck over a case of $300/bottle wine, that is their call, not yours.

I've no doubt their response to you would be just as much a 'fuck you', and it's not because you aren't giving them money; it would be for your meatless arrogance.

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In the 1770s when Marie Antoinette was Queen of France, and was told the bread box for most French was empty, she said "Let them eat cake." She was so out-of-touch with reality she believed everyone was like her. If the bread box was empty, go to the cake box. This remark increased hatred ofsKing Louis XVI and Marie. Eventually, both were guillotined for ignoring the needs of the French people. This is a story Wall Street millionaires would do well to remember.[/CENTER]

Yet more hateful and violent rhetoric of the radical left. When someone gets hurt we will blame all of the intentional hateful and violent talk of beheadings and guillotines of the left.

 

[flacaltenn]

I think a large number of people here would be surprised how many athletes and celebrities they support are millionaires. Let's start with lefty commedian Bill Maher. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are getting a divorce they will divide $289,000,000 between them. Here is a short list of the ten richest athletes. Woods leads Top 100 list of athletes - UPI.com

The funny thing to me is the very people complaining about millionaire celebs are the ones who made them millionaires and celebs!

Maybe the 99% are broke because they are stupid. And, this comes from a moderate to liberal Democrat. I support the 99% across the board. But, who are they to knock those who have the talent to earn a million dollars? Sure, I hate the breaks a hedge fund manager gets, and basically CEOs are nothing but overpaid PR people, but most of the 8.9 MILLION American millionaires earned their money because they offer something the rest of us are willing to pay for.

If the day ever comes when I am a millionaire, I will do every legal thing to hang on to it, but I will also continue to financially support to liberal social causes. If posters want to be rude to patriotic millionaires who support the 99%, those posters are fools.

CEOs are nothing but "overpaid PR people"?? That's why you get to blame them when the company tanks eh? Maybe take a look at the thread I started today about CEO compensation and why they are EXACTLY like high performance athletes and performers.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/4259925-post1.html


And why not be rude to them? They are being rude to the 53% that pay for the party..

 

[eots]

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[Employedmale]

The man interfered with my internet connection and my eloquent post was lost. Too bad I got better things to do with my time than rewrite it.

It must be the DEVILS eots.

 

[Barb]

I think a large number of people here would be surprised how many athletes and celebrities they support are millionaires. Let's start with lefty commedian Bill Maher. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are getting a divorce they will divide $289,000,000 between them. Here is a short list of the ten richest athletes. Woods leads Top 100 list of athletes - UPI.com

The funny thing to me is the very people complaining about millionaire celebs are the ones who made them millionaires and celebs!

Maybe the 99% are broke because they are stupid. And, this comes from a moderate to liberal Democrat. I support the 99% across the board. But, who are they to knock those who have the talent to earn a million dollars? Sure, I hate the breaks a hedge fund manager gets, and basically CEOs are nothing but overpaid PR people, but most of the 8.9 MILLION American millionaires earned their money because they offer something the rest of us are willing to pay for.

If the day ever comes when I am a millionaire, I will do every legal thing to hang on to it, but I will also continue to financially support to liberal social causes. If posters want to be rude to patriotic millionaires who support the 99%, those posters are fools.

Read this book: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Perfectly-Legal-Campaign-Benefit-Everybody/dp/1591840198]Amazon.com: Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich - and Cheat Everybody Else (9781591840190): David Cay Johnston: Books[/ame]
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most of our millionaires didn't get there by hard work and sacrifice.