Odessa shooter had previous contact with police, the FBI knew him, he failed gun background check

[M14 Shooter]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

 

[harmonica]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

 

[M14 Shooter]

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

Thank you for continuing to confirm you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

 

[Lewdog]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

 

[captkaos]

No moron......the fear came from hell hole cities around the country as the "Great Society" destroyed Black families in democrat controlled voting districts......crime was through the roof, you moron...which is one of the reasons the Movie Dirty Harry was made, it was a reaction to the violent crime epidemic that ran through the 1990s.......remember Miami, the drug gang shootouts....?

Wow, guy, you are citing a racist movie as an excuse for gun maniacs running around with guns.

Here's the thing. If it were poor black kids running around shooting up theaters and schools and WalMarts, we'd have banned guns by now.

Check your White Privilege, buddy.

The left keeps them in the inner cities killing each other over drugs and "territory"! Easier to hide the destruction when you control the Media and just don't report it!

 

[2aguy]

Yeah but if it is a law to do background checks for private gun sales... then maybe the person who SOLD the gun would not have done so and he would not have gotten the gun.

Sorry....criminals are not getting their guns from private sales by strangers...they are getting their guns from straw buyers they either know or control.....baby mommas, sisters, mothers, grandmothers.....gang members only deal with criminals they know because they are afraid of police stings.

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...

The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

Wrong...dumb ass....the ones selling to known criminals already know it is against the law and can already be arrested.......we have those laws already....

 

[2aguy]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

Because, you dumb ass....we know history......first you asshats have to get the guns registered, then, when you get enough power, you use those lists to confiscate guns.....you dumb ass.....

Cars don't have to be worried about because you don't want to ban them yet...

 

[2aguy]

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

Hey, dumb ass....they had low gun murder before they banned guns and after they banned guns that didn't change.......you moron...

Your Hypothesis.... More Guns = More Gun Crime...

Tested in Britain..

Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your
hypothesis again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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[2aguy]

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

Japan....yeah...Right...

2006....this lasted 7 years.......do they outlaw grenades in Japan too?

The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.



In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course.

It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.

 

[2aguy]

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

U.K......you moron....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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[captkaos]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

You can go register yours " Moon bat"! The government has no need to invade the privacy of Law abiding citizens. Go invade the privacy of known criminals who get guns illegally, and make the penalty for illegal possession or use so severe it will deter the violence on it's own.

 

[2aguy]

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

France.......

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

Military-grade guns are banned in France, and even people who want to own a handgun or hunting rifle have to go through strict checks on their background and mental health.

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.


===============
France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.



From last year...
Marseille policeman who faced Kalashnikov gang: 'They do not fear us'




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But the main problem for police in Marseille when it comes to drug gangs is not their cars or the guns so much.

"These criminals do not fear the police or the justice system," he said.

Which means that among the police force in Marseille, a city where certain neighbourhoods have been blighted by gun violence in recent years, there is an increasing climate of fear.

"Of course I am scared," said the officer. "I am a police officer but I am also a human, a father with a family. Each day I ask myself if I am going to see my children tonight."
A policeman who was among the squad who responded to emergency calls from residents in the Busserine neighbourhood has spoken of how he and his colleagues live in fear of being killed and how they stood no chance against the Kalashnikovs.

The officer, whose colleague had a gun pointed at him, said the gunmen were impossible to stop because there were so many members of the public around.

"If we had rammed their car or blocked them there would have been a lot of damage. You need to think we had civilians around us and above all there were children. Innocent people would have died.

The officer was shocked by the gunmens' brazen act, which he said was not their usual type of manoevre.




ris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.


===============
France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.


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This is How AK-47s Get to Paris

France outlaws most gun ownership and it’s almost impossible to legally acquire a high-powered rifle such as an AK-47, so where did the weapons in the Nov. 13 terror attack—not to mention the bloody January assault by Islamic terrorists on the Paris office ofCharlie Hebdo magazine and the 2012 shootings by a militant in Toulouse—come from?



Guns soon became a major export commodity in the Balkans. Western Europe is the target market. “Many firearms trafficked in Europe come from the western Balkans after being held illegally after recent conflicts in the area,” Europol reported. In just one case from 2014, Slovakian cops intercepted a truck trying to enter the country with “a large number of grenades and firearms,”according to Europol. “The vehicle was travelling from Bosnia and Herzegovina to Sweden.”

And it’s not like the stream of weapons will end when dealers in the Balkans run out of war-vintage leftovers. “One of the reasons we see a lot of Kalashnikovs and AK-47s on the black market is because Russia has just upgraded the Kalashnikov,” Kathie Lynn Austin, an expert on arms trafficking with the Conflict Awareness Project, told Al Jazeera, “and that has created massive stockpiles of the older models.”

On March 6, 2012, French lawmakers passed a law tightening up gun regulation and increasing penalties for illegal ownership. Just five days later, Mohamed Merah—a French jihadist of Algerian descent—went on shooting rampage, killing seven people in three separate attacks in around Toulouse before a police sniper shot him dead.

Merah’s arsenal included an AK-47, an Uzi, a Sten submachine gun, a shotgun, and several pistols—all illegal. “He could only supply himself on the black market or from crime organizations, that’s clear,” Thierry Coste, a pro-gun lobbyist, told The Christian Science Monitor.

In October 2014, French police raided several homes across the country, breaking up an Internet-based smuggling ring, arresting 48 suspected traffickers, and seizing hundreds of illegal guns. Three months later on Jan. 7 this year, jihadist gunmen wielding AK-47s shot up Charlie Hebdo in Paris, killing 12 people.

 

[captkaos]

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

hahahahhahaha
UK, France, Japan, NZ, Germany, etc etc ....gun control = less murders

U.K......you moron....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
==========

Yeah the British really don't like an armed populace. They learned that lesson at least twice already.

 

[Lewdog]

Sorry....criminals are not getting their guns from private sales by strangers...they are getting their guns from straw buyers they either know or control.....baby mommas, sisters, mothers, grandmothers.....gang members only deal with criminals they know because they are afraid of police stings.

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...

The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

Wrong...dumb ass....the ones selling to known criminals already know it is against the law and can already be arrested.......we have those laws already....

Is it illegal to privately sell a gun without a background check? REALLY? REALLY?

Please share the law... because I'd love to see it and know why every fucking news channel and politician in the entire country is talking about needing laws for gun shows and private sales.

 

[Lewdog]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

Because, you dumb ass....we know history......first you asshats have to get the guns registered, then, when you get enough power, you use those lists to confiscate guns.....you dumb ass.....

Cars don't have to be worried about because you don't want to ban them yet...

You know history? You don't know jack shit other than to cut and paste shit shoveled down your throat from the NRA.

 

[Lewdog]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

You can go register yours " Moon bat"! The government has no need to invade the privacy of Law abiding citizens. Go invade the privacy of known criminals who get guns illegally, and make the penalty for illegal possession or use so severe it will deter the violence on it's own.

Why do you have no problem registering your car? I bet you have no idea how much the government already knows about you. If you aren't going to shoot up a School, Walmart, or festival why do you have a problem with people registering their guns?

Do you understand that if they pass background checks... that means they will essentially KNOW the people that own guns the same as having guns registered?

 

[2aguy]

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...

The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

Wrong...dumb ass....the ones selling to known criminals already know it is against the law and can already be arrested.......we have those laws already....

Is it illegal to privately sell a gun without a background check? REALLY? REALLY?

Please share the law... because I'd love to see it and know why every fucking news channel and politician in the entire country is talking about needing laws for gun shows and private sales.

No, you can sell your private property to whoever you want......at a gun show, a home, a parking lot....but if you are a licensed gun dealer you have to do a background check.....

It is still illegal for a prohibited person to buy a gun, no matter where they buy it.....so that law is already on the books, criminals already know this but do it anyway......and besides...of the 10,982 gun murders, the majority of the illegal guns were bought by straw buyers....people who can pass any background check for any sale of a gun.....you dumb ass..........so that means requiring a background check for private sales gets you nothing.......actual criminals already get past federal background checks with straw buyers......and mass shooters either buy their guns legally or steal them.....you have one guy who got one from a private sale......

You are using private sales to get gun confiscation...you fascist pig.

12 mass public shootings in 2018..... total 93 killed.

Animals, bees and wasps?

Afraid of Snakes? Wasps and Dogs Are Deadlier

Of the 1,610 people killed in encounters with animals between 2008 and 2015,

478 were killed by hornets, wasps and bees,

and 272 by dogs, according to a study published in Wilderness & Environmental Medicine. Snakes, spiders and scorpions were responsible for 99 deaths over the eight years.

 

[2aguy]

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

You can go register yours " Moon bat"! The government has no need to invade the privacy of Law abiding citizens. Go invade the privacy of known criminals who get guns illegally, and make the penalty for illegal possession or use so severe it will deter the violence on it's own.

Why do you have no problem registering your car? I bet you have no idea how much the government already knows about you. If you aren't going to shoot up a School, Walmart, or festival why do you have a problem with people registering their guns?

Do you understand that if they pass background checks... that means they will essentially KNOW the people that own guns the same as having guns registered?

Yes...you moron...we know this...which is why we oppose it, you dumb ass....... universal background checks are the Trojan Horse for gun registration....

 

[toomuchtime_]

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...

The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

Wrong...dumb ass....the ones selling to known criminals already know it is against the law and can already be arrested.......we have those laws already....

Is it illegal to privately sell a gun without a background check? REALLY? REALLY?

Please share the law... because I'd love to see it and know why every fucking news channel and politician in the entire country is talking about needing laws for gun shows and private sales.

I bought a gun at a gun show a few years ago, and I had to undergo a background check to complete the sale, so clearly no new law in that regard was necessary. However, none of this is relevant to preventing violent crime. If violent criminals can't buy a gun legally, they will purchase them illegally, just a people who can't buy drugs legally purchase them illegally.