Odessa shooter had previous contact with police, the FBI knew him, he failed gun background check

[M14 Shooter]

You get denied in the store because you’re a paranoid psychopath…you go out to the parking lot of the same store and can buy as many weapons as you want from some guy who doesn’t care that you’re a paranoid psychopath.

Wait...you think someone who does not care if he is selling a gun to a paranoid psychopath will bother to run a background check...?
You're SO cute!!

 

[2aguy]

Or better yet…you register the gun like you do your car and to transfer the title, you have to go to the court house where the buyer can be checked out to see if he is dangerous to himself or others?

Look at you, arguing we should have to register our guns so it is easier for the state to take them away.

Wait just one darned second........ they told us they don't want to confiscate guns......does this mean they are lying?

 

[2aguy]

20,000 laws already on the books say that you are a moron.

Yawn, Guy, most of those laws on the books are things like, "Don't fire your gun up into the air during New Years".

How about laws like,"If you sell a gun to a mass shooter, you can be held criminally and civilly responsible".

That would be a good law. We actually had that good law on the books until the DC Snipers' victims sued the people who sold them guns they weren't entitled to. (One was a minor, the other a felon). Then the NRA whined to congress, and they denied victims that avenue of redress.

Or better yet…you register the gun like you do your car and to transfer the title, you have to go to the court house where the buyer can be checked out to see if he is dangerous to himself or others?

Guns are a Right, cars are not......governments throughout history have registered guns so they can be confiscated, and we have seen those same governments commit mass murder.....the vaunted Europeans murdered 12 million men, women and children after they confiscated guns.....

So no, cars and guns are not the same apple....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah but if it is a law to do background checks for private gun sales... then maybe the person who SOLD the gun would not have done so and he would not have gotten the gun.

Sorry....criminals are not getting their guns from private sales by strangers...they are getting their guns from straw buyers they either know or control.....baby mommas, sisters, mothers, grandmothers.....gang members only deal with criminals they know because they are afraid of police stings.

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

 

[westwall]

20,000 laws already on the books say that you are a moron.

Yawn, Guy, most of those laws on the books are things like, "Don't fire your gun up into the air during New Years".

How about laws like,"If you sell a gun to a mass shooter, you can be held criminally and civilly responsible".

That would be a good law. We actually had that good law on the books until the DC Snipers' victims sued the people who sold them guns they weren't entitled to. (One was a minor, the other a felon). Then the NRA whined to congress, and they denied victims that avenue of redress.

Fuck you you ignorant twat, the most recent asshole should have been in prison for trying to buy a gun as a prohibited person. Enforce the fucking laws we already have and see what happens before enacting more laws. You progressives are all the same..."down with the billionaires....but disarm so the billionaires can really fuck you over!"

Moron.

 

[2aguy]

The police knew about him, I heard a report that where he lived he used a gun to fire shots into the air, the police were called, and they did nothing......the FBI knew about him because he had called them quite a few times over the years, and he failed a background check to buy a gun...they don't know where he actually got the gun he had....his employer was afraid of him.....

Information still coming in..

So guns are too easy for the wrong people to get. We've already established that.

You get denied in the store because you’re a paranoid psychopath…you go out to the parking lot of the same store and can buy as many weapons as you want from some guy who doesn’t care that you’re a paranoid psychopath.

That is the system the NRA and Trump supporters have created; both ranks are full of paranoid psychopaths.

Shocking.

No, moron....that is called freedom to sell your private property......the failure to pass the background check should have been investigated by the feds...they failed.......

 

[2aguy]

I also had a plan.....when you have a prohibited person.....especially a criminal...you put a tattoo on their left shoulder....seeing that tattoo means they can't buy, own or carry a gun.....it would be simple......go to sell a gun, ask to see the left shoulder, if the tat is there, no gun sale...

You don't need background checks, gun registration, or any other new law, and requires no paperwork........

 

[2aguy]

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

One more time. We lock up 2 million people. We don't have enough room in the jails for the real criminals, much less the people you want to lock up to try to put a boot on the necks of people of color.

I promise you, this guy didn't get his gun from an abused baby mama. He got his gun from some private seller working out of his house.

And we let the killers out in less than 3 years you mope, and the repeat gun offenders are released on Bond, to kill in their neighborhoods over and over again......

The 10,982 gun murders...criminals killing other criminals got their guns from baby mommas and other criminals who stole the guns....you dope.

 

[2aguy]

So far every mass shooter in the last ten years has been found to be a maniac but the radical left want's to take guns away from NRA skeet shooters. TDS is a serious mental illness.

But that's the point. The NRA made it easy for the maniacs to get military grade weapons, which they didn't have access to when we had the Assault Weapons ban in effect.

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The AR-15 is not a military grade weapon you dope....

The 5 shot, pump action shotgun is an actual, current, military weapon.

The Bolt action rifle, is a current, actual, military weapon......you know, the Deer rifle you mopes say we will be allowed to keep...you asshat.

 

[2aguy]

This guy was a danger to people around him and the cops absolutely dropped the ball.

300 million guns and 18% of the population is crazy. That's a lot of balls out there for the Cops to catch.

This shooting would not have happened had the FBI arrested the shooter upon notification of the failure of his background check - that is, his attempt to illegally purchase a firearm and his commission of perjury on his 4473.

There's no sound support for the argument that we need new laws until the existing laws are fully enforced.

Quite the contrary, the problem is, the laws are there to humor dumb people like you. We can't lock up everyone who fills out a form wrong.... We barely have enough room in the jails for the real criminals.

12 mass public shootings in 2018....in a country of over 320 million people.....

12.....

Total killed....93.

Lawn mowers kill over 75 every single year....

knives kill over 1,500 every single year...

Bees and Wasps kill more people than mass shooters every single year.

 

[harmonica]

Yeah but if it is a law to do background checks for private gun sales... then maybe the person who SOLD the gun would not have done so and he would not have gotten the gun.

Sorry....criminals are not getting their guns from private sales by strangers...they are getting their guns from straw buyers they either know or control.....baby mommas, sisters, mothers, grandmothers.....gang members only deal with criminals they know because they are afraid of police stings.

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

 

[M14 Shooter]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

 

[harmonica]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

easy:

 

[harmonica]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

 

[Lewdog]

Yeah but if it is a law to do background checks for private gun sales... then maybe the person who SOLD the gun would not have done so and he would not have gotten the gun.

Sorry....criminals are not getting their guns from private sales by strangers...they are getting their guns from straw buyers they either know or control.....baby mommas, sisters, mothers, grandmothers.....gang members only deal with criminals they know because they are afraid of police stings.

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

yes they do
Texas shooter got gun at private sale; denied in 2014 check
Columbine shooters got their firearms from someone who it at a gunshow/etc
etc

Yep....... and they would still get those guns from private sellers without background checks.....You have two......out of all the mass shooters who got their guns....you must be proud...just like when a baby makes a crap in a diaper......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check, and I would say all of the 12 mass shooters got their guns legally with background checks....

you have no point...you have infantile emotion...

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US--plain and simple --easy for everyone to understand except obsessed idiots

....hahahha --MORE bullshit:

10,982 gun murders in 2017..... the criminals in those shootings used straw buyers who can pass any background check

no gifting/no private sales/etc
there will always be some that will get through--but we want to keep it down--DUH

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...

The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

 

[M14 Shooter]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

easy:

As this does not in any way reference the guns laws of those nations or their murder rates, it does nothing to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Try again.

 

[M14 Shooter]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

 

[harmonica]

....UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc etc gun control and murder rates MUCH lower than the US

Please demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.

more dumbshit from you people
stop the ridiculousness
you sound like 12 year olds --POOLS/computers/it's GOOD the Vegas shooter used that weapon!!!!!!!!....ridiculous
POOLS!!
o yes--2Aguy likes FIRE---fire is not even on the list I posted!!!!! = ridiculous = no argument

In other words...
You -know- you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those nations and their lower murder rates.
Thanks for playing.

here--another example of your ridiculousness to go with this reply you just posted:
....most of the murders are committed by firearms--YET you people bring up fire/POOLS/knives--so you want to concentrate/deflect on non-critical crap
this is what the blacks do and why they fail
and FIRE--I forget about FIRE --hahahah

 

[Lewdog]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.