Offical Impeachment Thread

[Zorro!]

Breaking: Dem congressman from Oregon organizes witness intimidation and boycotts of Ambassador Sondland's family hotel business. The left are sending his wife threatening emails, harassing's them on yelp, and picketing their hotels in an attempt to intimidate Sondland into bashing Trump. Shocker /sarcasm

So what conspiracy website told you to parrot that? After all, everyone knows you don't have the brains to come up with your own talking points.

Anways, nice attempt at deflection from what violent thugs you all are. There's a reason the Lt. Col. and his family to go into protective custody. And you love that. You want every witness against Trump to feel the same degree of threat.

Trump Impeachment Inquiry
Published 1 hour ago
Sondland says his family, businesses receiving threats over role in Trump impeachment inquiry
By Tyler Olson | Fox News

According to the Secret Service, Donald Trump and Don JR are receiving the most death threats and by a considerable margin. Please direct me to your posts where you express concern over this.

Trump Is Bobby Fischer Playing 3-D Chess As Impeachment Dems Play Checkers.

“The only thing that has been crystal clear is that the Democrats aren’t getting what they want. The thing about the 2019 Dems is that they’re blissfully unaware of, well, most things. Thanks to the self-affirming noise their media mouthpieces can make for them, harsh realities don’t often reach them.”​

The Boy in the Bubble couldn’t survive contact with the outside world.

 

[Dragonlady]

Maybe Trump should have been investigating Franklin Templeton.

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

It's the state's business to investigate Biden, if there is evidence of wrongdoing. You just said Trump isn't investigating anyone. Your silly deflection to Congress is noted.

actually, it's the DOJ's business to investigate biden, and they are. Not trump. you should learn your agencies better.

Barr isn’t investigating Biden. He’s investigating the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA - the agencies which carried out the Russia investigation. Barr has specifically denied that he has any part in Trump’s investigation of Joe Biden.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Independents like myself

You misspelled "proud Republican asslickers like myself". Actual Independents don't parrot GOP spin word-for-word. Were we supposed to be surprised that you chose to lick Republican ass?

Just who were you trying to fool, cult boi?

Now, tell us some more about how wonderful Trump's rectum smells. After all, it is what the party commands you to do.

Triggered! LOL

Hence why I lean more toward your hated Republicans. But I am an Independent and have never belonged to any party.

 

[Zorro!]

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

The corruption investigation in Ukraine was for Burisma, not “Joe Biden”.

If there is no credible link to old Joe, then why are Dems so afraid of an investigation? It must mean he is guilty.

See how that works?

Besides rightwingnuts, who said Dems are afraid of Biden being investigated?

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why can’t he
You presume it’s soley because Biden is a potential political rival. There are other reasons which include the fact that Biden’s son gravy train ride is self serving to the Biden’s and disadvantageous to the USA.

Biden is part of the crooked Clinton-Obama continuum.

Confidence in Trump economy at record high, with no hit from impeachment.

Another poll finds that public support for President Trump has not waned in the face of House impeachment hearings, and the approval for his handling of the economy has hit a new record high.

In today’s Gallup survey, 57% approve of the Trump economy. That, said the survey analysis, is “by one percentage point, his best as president.”

It comes as the stock market is hitting new highs, and unemployment is at a low for several groups.

Meanwhile, Gallup found that Trump’s approval rating is at a near high of 43% for the year. The last time he was at that level was before the Ukraine phone call emerged.

Most importantly, Republicans still have strong support for the president, at 90%.

This wasn’t how it was supposed to go.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Guess what, Mayor Pete is coming on strong. In another month, Mayor Pete will be the front runner.

Isn't he a gay? Or was that the other Dem loser from Texas?

Yuppers, he's gay or bi or something else. But after Rump, there is one hell of a lot of leeway these days.

You just insulted Mayor Pete for being gay? WTF is wrong with you? Let people be.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Guess what, Mayor Pete is coming on strong. In another month, Mayor Pete will be the front runner.

Isn't he a gay? Or was that the other Dem loser from Texas?

Yuppers, he's gay or bi or something else. But after Rump, there is one hell of a lot of leeway these days.

I got bad news for Dem's, blacks and Hispanics are not going to vote for a homo. When blacks and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly in California to ban gay marriage I would have thought Dem's learned their lesson.

WE already know that California is just one state. And according to you Criminal Rumpters, California doesn't count in the end. So what's your point when the bulk of the rest of the nation could give a rats ass.

 

[theHawk]

How is that a criminal act? We have no obligation to give them money. When we do give money, why would we give it to a country that reeks of corruption? When they start cracking down on corruption, then we’ll be willing to to give them aid. Nothing wrong, immoral, or illegal about it.

You also haven’t cited which law this supposedly breaks.

The fact that a corruption investigation would look bad for old Joe, isn’t an excuse to prevent such an investigation. Maybe if Dems don’t like being outted as corrupt then they shouldn’t be such corrupt assholes, eh?

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

The corruption investigation in Ukraine was for Burisma, not “Joe Biden”.

If there is no credible link to old Joe, then why are Dems so afraid of an investigation? It must mean he is guilty.

See how that works?

Besides rightwingnuts, who said Dems are afraid of Biden being investigated?

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why wouldn’t he ask the foreign government to investigate Burisma? It’s their company. Are you saying that we don’t work with foreign allies and their authorities when investigating crimes that happened overseas?

Because if you are, that makes you the brain dead one.

 

[Kilroy2]

What happened to cut and dry?

It was cut and dry. Facts state that aid was released. We don't know the "why". That is conjecture, Enrique.

Perhaps Jordan slept through the testimony that Zelensky would be making an announcement. Did you not know the aid was released due to knowledge of the hold becoming widespread? Or do we have to pretend that was coincidental?

Did you know that this is pure conjecture? You cannot convict on coincidence, Enrique.

So you keep saying, though I'm not sure why, since I've never said one can.

If you choose to characterize Jordan's disingenuous spiel as cut and dry, good for you. It was truthy, but unconcerned with honesty.

You just spoke out of both sides of your mouth. Trump can easily argue that on that date he garnered enough data to become comfortable with the new regime and its fight on corruption and it had nothing to do with this phone call. How would you prove him wrong? It is impossible to garner his intent, which is why all this is a stupid farce. How about we start reading transcripts from all prior presidents and their conversations with foreign leaders? There is not enough here to impeach and your party has cried wolf how many times?

1. Paige / Strzok;
2. Russia Collusion
3. Brett Kavanaugh
4. Stormy Daniels / Avenatti
5. Ukraine

Ever read the Boy who cried Wolf?

Even if something is real now people will no longer believe the Democrats and the polls show that.

Still trump has been president for 3 years and prior money was not withheld

what changed

2nd there was a new president that was just elected and there was no indications that this new government was corrupt

3rd the transcript call, Trump did not tell the Ukraine prez that the aid was on hold which eventually the Ukraines figured out

Instead he asked for an investigation into biden and son, and about some DNC server. He asked the prez to meet with Rudy who is his private lawyer and not a government official

if Trump was worried about corruption in Ukraine why was Rudy G his point man


4th the Ukraine prez was set to appear on CNN to announce an investigation but 2 days prior to the interview , the aid was released and the interview cancelled

The aid was release because of the whistle blower complaint and the release of the transcript

If the Ukraine prez had gone on CNN and announced this investigation

Game over

instead now they are in spin control mode in a plane crash called Trump

All repubs have is that the aid was given, yes that may be true but why was it witheld in the first place and what cause the change in releasing it

The transcript points to the answer and the actually recording is the key

 

[Zorro!]

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

That is another FUCKING LIE there has never been an investigation into Biden, his son and his involvement with HIS EXTORTION....IF SO POST IT, and not just some left wing pundit saying so....we can wait!

Oh. THAT investigation. The one investigating the shit you guys made up. There was a clear investigation into Burisma by Ukraine, and the actors/timeline all involved situations BEFORE Hunter went on their board.
There is absolutely no evidence, except an active and hostile imagination on your part, to support that there was any extortion involved.
Fact check: What Joe and Hunter Biden actually did in Ukraine

You mean the CORRUPT UKRAINE INVESTIGATING ITSELF...you idiots are the ones that pushed that fallacy...and FACT CHECK is another SOROS FUNDED organization through his shell companies
Now let's get a NEW INVESTIGATION GOING under the NEW PRESIDENT....

Ukraine Wants To Probe the Company That Paid Hunter Biden. But It's 'Too Sensitive'

Wanting to investigate what and why they paid Hunter Biden is definitely jumping into America's domestic political arena.

No, it’s jumping into the Obama/Biden Quid Pro Quo corruption deal they had with Ukraine.

The Deep State War Mongers want to reassert control over US foreign policy and tear it out of the hands of the duly elected president.

Tulsi Gabbard Slams Kamala Harris’ Foreign Policy: ‘She as President Will Continue the Status Quo Regime-Change Wars.’

 

[IM2]

HMM: Ukrainian MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln.

“Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the ‘family’ of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.”
​

Well, stay tuned.

Maybe Trump should have been investigating Franklin Templeton.

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

Government business is being done - note all of the breaks for votes during the process. Unlike Trump, who can only obsess about one thing at a time, Pelosi is able to walk, talk, and chew gum, at the same time. Women, by nature, are better able to multi-task than men, because we have to. Especially working women who are accustomed to balancing work obligations, managing family life and schedules, as well as meals laundry, etc., and social obligations, all while being perfectly groomed.

I agree that Pelosi is doing an outstanding job, but men multi task all the time. Trump can't because he's never had too. He doesn't work hard, because he's never had to. He can't understand complex reading material, because he's never had to. He was born taking a lead off on 3rd base and people were always doing work for him.

 

[Zorro!]

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

It's the state's business to investigate Biden, if there is evidence of wrongdoing. You just said Trump isn't investigating anyone. Your silly deflection to Congress is noted.

actually, it's the DOJ's business to investigate biden, and they are. Not trump. you should learn your agencies better.

Barr isn’t investigating Biden. He’s investigating the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA - the agencies which carried out the Russia investigation. Barr has specifically denied that he has any part in Trump’s investigation of Joe Biden.

Trump suggested Ukraine should look into Biden, because it really looks bad and I heartily agree. Ukraine's interference with our election IS being looked into, and Biden's demonstrated ability to crack the whip and command Ukraine's near instantaneous obedience is very important to understand.

 

[Billiejeens]

Nunes is a waste of good oxygen. Every time he has the floor, all he does is rant about Democrats. I listened to him once or twice, but now turn him off.

Of course, he will never even recognize that the focus of this investigation is the conduct of the "president" while in office. This has absolutely nothing to do with either Biden. This Ukraine stuff appears to be a scheme to let his beloved Russians off the hook by framing the Ukrainians and help him with his re-election effort at the same time.

You seem to pride yourself on being uniformed.
Why is that?

 

[Zorro!]

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

The corruption investigation in Ukraine was for Burisma, not “Joe Biden”.

If there is no credible link to old Joe, then why are Dems so afraid of an investigation? It must mean he is guilty.

See how that works?

Besides rightwingnuts, who said Dems are afraid of Biden being investigated?

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why wouldn’t he ask the foreign government to investigate Burisma? It’s their company. Are you saying that we don’t work with foreign allies and their authorities when investigating crimes that happened overseas?

Because if you are, that makes you the brain dead one.

They seek to criminalize free thought and speech, even between Presidents.

 

[BluesLegend]

Guess what, Mayor Pete is coming on strong. In another month, Mayor Pete will be the front runner.

Isn't he a gay? Or was that the other Dem loser from Texas?

Yuppers, he's gay or bi or something else. But after Rump, there is one hell of a lot of leeway these days.

I got bad news for Dem's, blacks and Hispanics are not going to vote for a homo. When blacks and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly in California to ban gay marriage I would have thought Dem's learned their lesson.

WE already know that California is just one state. And according to you Criminal Rumpters, California doesn't count in the end. So what's your point when the bulk of the rest of the nation could give a rats ass.

There are no blacks or Hispanics in swing states?? If you people can't get them to vote for gays in California you have no chance in swing states.

 

[WEATHER53]

But...but...but... our deaf witnesses would have overheard what we feel they would if they could hear so we will use that as grounds for impeachment
Lib 101

 

[NotYourBody]

Gotta love how Pelousy is scheduling votes immediately after the Dimwingers bore America to death with their lawyer asking witnesses about their feelings, impressions, and opinions.

I guess they hope America tunes out before the Republicans destroy the latest bullshit "witnesses".

Well Pelosi sure needs to do something. Those testimonies this morning sure as hell didn't advance the Democrat's narrative about "quid pro quo."

The Republicans should have shelled out for a better lawyer. Their guy looks like a weasel and sounds like he has trouble grasping the facts with all his stuttering and stammering.

No problem. Just wait until Nunes and Jim Jordan tears those "witnesses" a new asshole.

Mooooooooo. It's what I think of every time Nunes opens his mouth. He's obsessed with a fake cow.

And Gym Jordan is disqualified from being a decent member of the human race due to his passive acceptance of sexual abuse of underage boys.

Second man accuses Rep. Jim Jordan of ignoring OSU abuse

 

[Zorro!]

Guess what, Mayor Pete is coming on strong. In another month, Mayor Pete will be the front runner.

Isn't he a gay? Or was that the other Dem loser from Texas?

Yuppers, he's gay or bi or something else. But after Rump, there is one hell of a lot of leeway these days.

You just insulted Mayor Pete for being gay? WTF is wrong with you? Let people be.

THERE’S A MEAN UNDERCURRENT TO HIS PREACHINESS: Pete Buttigieg Twists Christianity: ‘Salvation’ Depends on Being ‘Useful.’

 

[Dragonlady]

Still why was it delayed you have not answered that one question...

Obama delayed it and NEVER released it, you have not answered that one question.

Obama delayed it because of corruption within the Ukraine government. The money was released and probably after the prosecutor general was fired 3 or 4 months later after Biden's visit in December.

The prosecutor general at that time did not do a thing about corruption within the Ukraine government

They were concern that money given to Ukraine would not be used for the specific purpose that it was sent there for

Ukraine was widely believed by almost everyone including European governments including the IMF to be corrupt

IMF threaten to withhold money if Ukraine did not clean up there act

OB, Europeans, IMF did not ask for anything in return other than having the Ukraines become serious about corruption in their government. This mostly centered around the prosecutor general and his office. They only wanted Ukraine government to clean up their act.

Since 2016 the prosecutor general was fired and replaced.

Elections were held and a new government is in place

Pointing to OB withholding money as if it was the same reason that Trump was withholding aid ignores the reasons that each used for withholding money....

No. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on earth. The new government was recently seated and Trump released the lethal aid without conditions, even though conditions are perfectly normal in foreign relations. These new folks are supposed to be less corrupt, after Trump had an opportunity to speak with hijm a few times, he released the money before the end of the quarter, without preconditions. He clearly stated to one of the few witnesses with first hand information that he wanted no quid pro quo, even though quid pro quos are fine, he just wanted the President to do what he said he would do when he was running fore office, and that's perfectly fair.

... The difference is Trump wanted an investigation into Biden and his son...

They should be investigated.

... Trump even talked about a server that belong to the DNC and Cloudstrike...

If they are available, they should be examined.

... All things that were political issues in the US not in Ukraine...

They all pertain to Ukraine's attempts at influencing the 2016 election, likely arranged by Democrats.

... Obama did not have his private lawyer go to Ukraine to find dirt on a political opponent

Obama helped pay for the Dossier and the payments were laundered through a private law-firm, and you never said squat.

The president is skeptical about the prudence of pouring foreign aid out of our Treasury when we are $23 trillion in debt. He is skeptical about funding that entangles the United States in conflicts which may not be in our vital national interests. And he is skeptical about Ukraine, a pervasively corrupt country in which the competing factions feature elements that reject Western principles of liberalism, pluralism, and respect for human rights..

While I agree with The Deep State's belief that Ukraine, for all its flaws, is worth supporting for the greater good of thwarting the Kremlin, it does not mean the fantasy depiction of Ukraine is any more accurate than our Deep State's delusions about sharia-democracy promotion in the Middle East.

You can certainly disagree with President Trump’s skepticism about Ukraine. But you cannot credibly say that harboring doubts is irrational, nor deny that, notwithstanding his doubts, the current president has done far more for Ukraine’s security than the last one.

Ukraine Government: Corrupt, Authoritarian, Venal | National Review

Except the President's reasons are clear, from his own words "They tried to take me down" in 2016. That's ALL this is about, with a whole lot of help from Giuliani, for whatever reason.

He's correct. It is in our NATIONAL INTEREST to get to the bottom of Ukraine's interference in the 2016 election.

And to the Intelligence Operation coordinated by the Obama Administration and his leftovers.

MR.* VINDMAN’S INTELLIGENCE OPERATION AGAINST TRUMP.

Sorry: It’s Lt. Col. Vindman! How did vets and enlisted people react to Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s ‘Don’t call me ma’am’ moment?

“Multiple combat veterans have told me they are livid at this attitude from Vindman, at his use of the uniform as a prop for the cameras, and at his obvious scheming against and insubordination towards his chain of command.”​

Posting an op Ed piece under your own name and citing your official title isn’t “interfering”. Paul Manafort was “outed” because he was Trump’s campaign manager, he was outed as part of a clamp down on corruption in the Ukraine. Are you for or against uprooting corruption or not?

Why are YOU spreading Russian propaganda and lies?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

The corruption investigation in Ukraine was for Burisma, not “Joe Biden”.

If there is no credible link to old Joe, then why are Dems so afraid of an investigation? It must mean he is guilty.

See how that works?

Besides rightwingnuts, who said Dems are afraid of Biden being investigated?

Apparently all Dems, all who support this impeachment sham against President Trump simply for asking Ukraine to crack down on corruption. Why else would they be claiming this personally benefits President Trump? It only benefits him if Biden is guilty of corruption.

What's apparent is you're fucking brain-dead as virtually no Democrats are saying Biden can't or shouldn't be investigated. What we are saying is that Trump can't solicit a foreign national to investigate Biden.

Savvy?

Why wouldn’t he ask the foreign government to investigate Burisma? It’s their company. Are you saying that we don’t work with foreign allies and their authorities when investigating crimes that happened overseas?

Because if you are, that makes you the brain dead one.

That was already looked at previously and nothing was found. The real reason was to harm Joe Biden's chance of being elected to the President of the United States. Newsflash: That's illegal as hell for Rump to do that. And that is why it's where it is today. Had Rump instructed Barr to do that investigation (Barr was NOT doing that investigation) then that would be legal. Questionable but not necessarily illegal. But even Barr would not touch that. So Rump cooked this whole thing outside the legal system. Outside the Legal System is code word for "Illegal".

 

[Rye Catcher]

Maybe Trump should have been investigating Franklin Templeton.

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

Government business is being done - note all of the breaks for votes during the process. Unlike Trump, who can only obsess about one thing at a time, Pelosi is able to walk, talk, and chew gum, at the same time. Women, by nature, are better able to multi-task than men, because we have to. Especially working women who are accustomed to balancing work obligations, managing family life and schedules, as well as meals laundry, etc., and social obligations, all while being perfectly groomed.

I have no need of your sexist claptrap moralizing. What bills has Pelosi put on Trump's desk?

The proper question is not what bills have gone to trump, but what bills were sent to the Senate and sat on by McConnell.