Offical Impeachment Thread

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

Wrong. Your people started these corruptions. Trump is the most corrupted disgusting dishonest POTUS. Trump is not a good person.

If your boi was smart enough to make an illegal move. The whole country would not be in this predicament. The Trump team are so inept and stupid they could have done this very easily without all the other people involved.

But Nah! It has to be a grandeur.

Let’s get this straight. Biden bragged and fired a corrupted prosecutor general. Clear and simple.

Trump asked a favor from a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is very clear example of a corrupted POTUS.

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

I suggest you look at the meaning of the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" as used in the constitution. It has a much broader interpretation than criminal felonies and misdemeanors.

High crimes and misdemeanors - Wikipedia

Oh trust me, I already have. But then it begs the question of, what President hasn't committed high crimes?

 

[Ame®icano]

All this impeachment inquiry, and how is handled by Schiff is kinda telling me that Schiff is somehow connected to Ukraine, maybe even to Burisma.

Damn, just yesterday I called it.

Shots fired!

Rudy Giuliani Twitter

 

[OKTexas]

You also realize that this other guy, Holmes, claim on the call he overheard (haha) with Sondland and Trump goes against what Sondland said, correct?

We're supposed to only believe anti Trumpers. Everyone else is lying.

LOLOL

You're literally calling a guy who gave Trump a million dollars, a "never trumper."

Do you see now why no one should trust anything cons say?

LMAO, you believe his presumptions? That not evidence, retard.

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[MisterBeale]

Impeachment Makes Kardashians Of Us All
Impeachment Makes Kardashians Of Us All

 

[ViewFromAbove]

He knew exactly what he was doing. Fuck Trump & fuck you anti-American assfucks lying to protect him.

58% of independent voters disagree with you snowflake and disagree with impeaching President Trump. You leftist idiots screwed yourselves.

Depends on what data one cherry picks:

“An NBC survey showed that 53 percent of independent voters supported impeaching Trump while 44 percent said he shouldn't be impeached.”
... or ...
“The poll, which isolated voters ages 18 to 29, found 52 percent of all eligible youth voters and 58 percent of likely youth voters in the 2020 presidential general election believe Trump should be impeached and removed from office.”

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We're supposed to only believe anti Trumpers. Everyone else is lying.

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

Biden is not the nominee, and it's likely he won't be. This charge that Trump stalled the aid for political advantage requires a crystal ball that tells us Biden will be the nominee.

Trump gave several reasons for stopping the aid, including the lack of funds from other UN countries. You can't make the case it's a false concern given the fact he ran on the UN skipping out on their equal share during the Republican debates. Nor can you make the case that it was the rat who forced Trump to act, when it's clear and documented that Congress critters from both sides were applying the pressure.

I don't recall Trump ever using the term "start an investigation" The key words he used were "look into it" and "favor." The dictionary term for favor is doing something out of good will without remuneration.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It means NOTHING THAT EVERY WITNESS HAD SECOND, THIRD OR 4TH HAND INFO....YOU RAVING LUNATIC!

Vindman was listening in on the call, because he speaks Ukrainian language.
Vindman is an ethnic Ukrainian and purple heart from Iraq.

Sondland is a participant in the bribery plot.
A participant is the best sort of witness, because they actual participated.

Taylor however, was a diplomat for Ukraine, and testifies as to what his co-workers / underlings witnessed.

Vindman LIES!..... is a narcissist and presumes HE can make foreign policy! A modern day BENEDICT ARNOLD!

Bribing using taxpayer money for personal gain is not "foreign policy"

Bribery needs evidence to prove it happened..........You don't have that now.......perhaps you'll find it before Trump gets out in 2024 after you lose 2 more Scotus picks.........

LOL

definition of bribery: money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust

The Bad Arguments That Trump Didn’t Commit Bribery:
“the extent to which the parties went to conceal their bribes is powerful evidence of their corrupt intent.”

If indeed, as the evidence now suggests, Trump was pursuing his personal interests in seeking a Ukrainian investigation of his political opponents, rather than the interests of the United States, then he committed the kind of bribery that the Founders made impeachable.

ex federal prosecutor says this is a vintage mob operation.

Great. Now all you have to prove is that the Schiff Face can read minds, and officially declare that's why Trump took the action he did. Good luck.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Super. Then let's stretch the limits of the Constitution and the definition of 'hearsay' so that the minority Party will always just Impeach every sitting President from now on.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in impeachment hearing, grand juries, probate hearing, parole hearings, etc where there is no cross examination. The reason hearsay evidence is not admissible is that it is generally less reliable and it becomes impossible to cross examine a witness who gives hearsay evidence because the witness can not answer questions about evidence.

Congress is not a court. It’s a legislative body, and it’s not bound by the centuries of common law that built up around the admissibility of hearsay evidence. It will be interesting to see what hearsay evidence will be allowed in the a senate trial since rules of evidence and procedures are government by senate rules that are mostly based on precedent.

However, all this makes little difference since the Senate will vote along party lines as will the House which makes evidence irrelevant.

And if you support that, don't be crying when what comes around goes around. If the commies are able to get away with this, don't expect the Republicans for forgive and forget. Like the filibuster rule with judicial nominations, it will come back to haunt the Democrats, trust me.

Spoken like a true partisan. Of course republicans will seek retaliation against the next republican president just as democrats will seek retaliation. That's American politics today. The unstated goal of every political party is a one party state which just happens to be the goal of the communist party.

Well......the communist and Democrat party. That's why the Democrats became the anti-white party.

It's one thing for people in parties to try and change leadership. That's understandable. But this idiocy would make our founders turn over in their graves. They want to impeach a President over what "they think" he had in mind when he took certain actions, and brought witnesses who also "thought" what Trump had in mind.

The entire impeachment is about suppositions, interpretations, and assumptions, but no real facts. Nixon was a fact; hard core evidence. Clinton was a fact; DNA evidence and court testimony. There are no facts here, and certainly no impeachable offenses.

He knew exactly what he was doing. Fuck Trump & fuck you anti-American assfucks lying to protect him.

He did know what he was doing. But to stage an impeachment based on Democrats knowing what he was doing is mind reading and criminal.

 

[beagle9]

Wrong. Your people started these corruptions. Trump is the most corrupted disgusting dishonest POTUS. Trump is not a good person.

If your boi was smart enough to make an illegal move. The whole country would not be in this predicament. The Trump team are so inept and stupid they could have done this very easily without all the other people involved.

But Nah! It has to be a grandeur.

Let’s get this straight. Biden bragged and fired a corrupted prosecutor general. Clear and simple.

Trump asked a favor from a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is very clear example of a corrupted POTUS.

HIs so-called political rival got his drug addicted son a job paying 80K a month in an industry he had no experience in, in a country he had no business in; didn't even know a word of their language. And you want to label who is corrupt?

None of what you and the other commies claim can be proven. Unless you can testify and show how Democrats are able to read minds, then you have no legitimate case.

We went these over before.
Hunter got the high paying job with no experience. So?

Trump asking a favor to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival. Is not acceptable no matter how much you twist it. Trump is a piece of shit.

How is Kushner running around with out diplomatic experience? Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

How is Guilliani a private citizen running around like a diplomat? Spreading corrupted propaganda. Don’t tell me he is doing it for free.

WTF does that have to do with it? Trump can hire anybody he wants.

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This is not about Joe hiring somebody. It's about getting favors from a foreign corrupt company. Favors are not granted out of kindness. People expect something in return. An email was discovered through the FOIA that showed one from Burisma, dropping Hunters name to curry favor from the State Department.

Impeachment is not for what you or others find acceptable or not. Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, none of which Donald is part of.

Talking about hypocrite.
You mentioned Hunter unqualified and highly paid. I gave you an exact example of the same situations. You are full of cow dung.

I deal with hundreds of suppliers and vendors. So when I ask one of them to hire one of my nephews. That is a favor. Is that bad?

Biden ask Burisma to hire his son. Where did Biden violate any rules?

We don't know because it''s never been investigated. That's why Trump asked Zelensky to "look into it" as a favor. And if there is something that shows corruption, then Trump could have the IG look at that.

No, it's not bad if you ask a vendor to hire your nephew. But then again, you have no power to return the favor.

Or to gain favor by the vender who hired his nephew, uhhh ummmm ohhh wait one second here .. Can we say kick back in such situations maybe ? Conflict of interest maybe ???

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Super. Then let's stretch the limits of the Constitution and the definition of 'hearsay' so that the minority Party will always just Impeach every sitting President from now on.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in impeachment hearing, grand juries, probate hearing, parole hearings, etc where there is no cross examination. The reason hearsay evidence is not admissible is that it is generally less reliable and it becomes impossible to cross examine a witness who gives hearsay evidence because the witness can not answer questions about evidence.

Congress is not a court. It’s a legislative body, and it’s not bound by the centuries of common law that built up around the admissibility of hearsay evidence. It will be interesting to see what hearsay evidence will be allowed in the a senate trial since rules of evidence and procedures are government by senate rules that are mostly based on precedent.

However, all this makes little difference since the Senate will vote along party lines as will the House which makes evidence irrelevant.

And if you support that, don't be crying when what comes around goes around. If the commies are able to get away with this, don't expect the Republicans for forgive and forget. Like the filibuster rule with judicial nominations, it will come back to haunt the Democrats, trust me.

Spoken like a true partisan. Of course republicans will seek retaliation against the next republican president just as democrats will seek retaliation. That's American politics today. The unstated goal of every political party is a one party state which just happens to be the goal of the communist party.

Well......the communist and Democrat party. That's why the Democrats became the anti-white party.

It's one thing for people in parties to try and change leadership. That's understandable. But this idiocy would make our founders turn over in their graves. They want to impeach a President over what "they think" he had in mind when he took certain actions, and brought witnesses who also "thought" what Trump had in mind.

The entire impeachment is about suppositions, interpretations, and assumptions, but no real facts. Nixon was a fact; hard core evidence. Clinton was a fact; DNA evidence and court testimony. There are no facts here, and certainly no impeachable offenses.

I have news. Not being a racist fuck is not being anti-white.

What is anti-white is a plot to make whites a minority ASAP. Every other group outside of whites vote Democrat. Middle-Eastern Americans vote Democrat, Asian Americans vote Democrat. Jewish Americans vote Democrat, blacks and Hispanics (in particular) forget about it.

So flood the country with non-whites which is what they are doing. Once accomplished, the Democrats have the ability to create a single-party government forever. That's why they shut down the government for the longest time in our history over the wall, that's the reason for sanctuary cities and now states, that's the reason for perks such as sending their kids to our schools, restrictions on police from contacting ICE, stopping Kate's Law that would have given deported felons five years in prison minimum for returning to our country. It's why they turn their backs on real Americans who suffered like the Angel Mothers.

 

[beagle9]

We're supposed to only believe anti Trumpers. Everyone else is lying.

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

One thing wrong here, and that is that Joe Biden is guilty of a Quid-pro-quo, and was trying to shield his son from a prosecutor in Ukraine (where as he was given a job worth millions for nothing), in which caused Joe to be worried about just how close the prosecutor was getting. Trump had every right to investigate such corruption before sinking any more aid to the tunes of millions of taxpayer dollars to them, and to also use the tools that Ukraine would or could furnish in order to get to the bottom of it all.

If Biden and son wasn't up to their eyeballs in this bullcrap, then they would have had nothing to worry about in concerning Donald Trump or anyone else in that manner.

Jesus fuck you people are dense.

1) What Joe Biden did or did not do does not change what Trump did

2) That Prosecutor's investigation into Hunter Biden's company had been dormant with no action.

3) Hunter Biden was never under investigation

4) Other countries also wanted that prosecutor fired

5) Trump was not worried about corruption or he would not have limited his demand to Biden. Biden was gone how would any thing Biden did effect current events in the Ukraine?

6) Trump advisors had told him there was nothing to the Biden thing

7) Trump wanted an announcement into the Biden investigation.

Any fucking idiot knows you are full of shit. Everyone but those with their heads up Trump's ass. He is guilty as shit. Try being an American instead of a Trumpette.

7)

Trump advisors told him ??? You mean those left over from the previous administration working in the state department and Intel communities ?? Those bent on protecting the legacy of Biden and others who were from the previous administration ?? Those advisors ? Or the ones Trump hired who were scared of the swamp, and therefore instantly went to work undermining Trump with the swamp in thinking that they might find favor if did such a thing for the swamp in which they feared ??

 

[Flopper]

Trump is not being legally charged with any crimes. He's being impeached. Articles of impeachment can include climes but most articles are not federal crimes. The most common articles are violation of oath of office, misuse of executive power, conduct unbecoming the office, and lying to congress.

Impeachment is a political process used to remove a president just as election is a political process for selecting a president. What this means is that all laws and regulation involving evidence and criminal court procedures do apply. The entire process is regulated by House and Senate rules and the constitution.

For example, the legal concept of hearsay applies in trials and related proceedings in court. It doesn’t apply and doesn’t make sense in the congressional impeachment inquiry, nor in any potential impeachment trial in the Senate.

Congress is not a court, and no rules of evidence apply to its activities, including impeachment. This is not a technical distinction: It’s a foundation part of the constitutional structure.

Why hearsay isn't a problem for Congress in impeachment hearings

Super. Then let's stretch the limits of the Constitution and the definition of 'hearsay' so that the minority Party will always just Impeach every sitting President from now on.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in impeachment hearing, grand juries, probate hearing, parole hearings, etc where there is no cross examination. The reason hearsay evidence is not admissible is that it is generally less reliable and it becomes impossible to cross examine a witness who gives hearsay evidence because the witness can not answer questions about evidence.

Congress is not a court. It’s a legislative body, and it’s not bound by the centuries of common law that built up around the admissibility of hearsay evidence. It will be interesting to see what hearsay evidence will be allowed in the a senate trial since rules of evidence and procedures are government by senate rules that are mostly based on precedent.

However, all this makes little difference since the Senate will vote along party lines as will the House which makes evidence irrelevant.

And if you support that, don't be crying when what comes around goes around. If the commies are able to get away with this, don't expect the Republicans for forgive and forget. Like the filibuster rule with judicial nominations, it will come back to haunt the Democrats, trust me.

Spoken like a true partisan. Of course republicans will seek retaliation against the next republican president just as democrats will seek retaliation. That's American politics today. The unstated goal of every political party is a one party state which just happens to be the goal of the communist party.

Well......the communist and Democrat party. That's why the Democrats became the anti-white party.

It's one thing for people in parties to try and change leadership. That's understandable. But this idiocy would make our founders turn over in their graves. They want to impeach a President over what "they think" he had in mind when he took certain actions, and brought witnesses who also "thought" what Trump had in mind.

The entire impeachment is about suppositions, interpretations, and assumptions, but no real facts. Nixon was a fact; hard core evidence. Clinton was a fact; DNA evidence and court testimony. There are no facts here, and certainly no impeachable offenses.

I think your GOP filter is obscuring the truth. What "he (Trump) had in mind" is critical to whether he was violating both the constitution and campaign election laws when he pressured the Ukraine to open an investigation of the Bidens or just sought to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine. If his intent was to discredit Joe Biden, he is violating the law and the constitution but if his intent is simply to cleanup corruption in the Ukraine, then the Senate should dismiss the applicable charges.

As explained in the Federalist Papers (I think the number is 65), high crimes and misdemeanors is essentially bad conduct, not necessarily a violation of the law. If you look back at previous impeachments you will see articles charging violation of oath of office, improper use of executive powers, behavior unbecoming the office, immoral behavior, drunkenness, etc.

It has become customary that in impeachments today, there be at least one charge of violation of the law but that has not always been the case. You see, our forefathers believed that public officials must be held to much higher standards than the public. Just being a law abiding citizens was not enough. They expected public officials to be of high character. For example in Articles of Impeachment of Andrew Johnson it was claimed that he spoke with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues before congress.

Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they saw who we were electing today.

 

[MarathonMike]

We're supposed to only believe anti Trumpers. Everyone else is lying.

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

You and the Democrats are engaging in pure speculation on President Trump's intent. As I have been saying, if the bar for for Impeachment is to allow speculation, hearsay and witnesses who witnessed nothing, then the Democrats have poisoned the well for all future Presidents and done great damage to the country. They are playing with dynamite.

 

[beagle9]

He knew exactly what he was doing. Fuck Trump & fuck you anti-American assfucks lying to protect him.

58% of independent voters disagree with you snowflake and disagree with impeaching President Trump. You leftist idiots screwed yourselves.

Depends on what data one cherry picks:

“An NBC survey showed that 53 percent of independent voters supported impeaching Trump while 44 percent said he shouldn't be impeached.”
... or ...
“The poll, which isolated voters ages 18 to 29, found 52 percent of all eligible youth voters and 58 percent of likely youth voters in the 2020 presidential general election believe Trump should be impeached and removed from office.”

Young voters ? You mean those impressionable minds the Democrats attacked early on in order to gain them as zombies for whom know nothing but vote Democrat, vote free stuff, vote Democrat, vote free stuff, vote cratzies, vote Democrat.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And now Nunes is totally fucked. And he knows it.

 

[OKTexas]

Schiff is Himler.

Absolutely Gestapo tactics by the Democrats

Of course. They are doing everything possible not to get at the facts, but to assure their own desired outcome.

In the Dark Ages, they used to drown witches first to test their innocence. If they drowned, then they weren't a witch.

A moron can see what is going on. Anyone defending these impeachment "investigations" as they are going is simply proving their own total political bias.

This nation will never stand for it.

I have news, This nation will LOT stand for a piece of shit like Donald Trump breaking laws trying to cheat (again) to win an election.

How dare you protect this action. You are no American. You want Trump to piss on the Constitution. Fuck off Trump Boy.

Pooooooooor wittle commie, need a tissue?

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[OKTexas]

You want to try me Americano?

Let me correct your last paragraph. Obama was the current POTUS in 2016 a Democrat. Any president I mean any Ukrainian President will support the current president because they are just beggars. Therefore he supported Clinton a Democrat.

There was no need for you to correct anything, since I have no dispute on who was the president in 2016.

Although I agree with you that they're beggars, their support for Clinton would mean meddling in our election, correct? Why did they work with DNC, and not with Barry's administration?

And while we're at it, they did beg for lethal military help, did they get it from the guy they were supporting?

Poroshenko tried to clean up the corruptions with the help of ambassador Yavanovich even with the new president Zelensky. That is why Guilliani tried to get rid of her because she won’t put up with corrupted cartels.

The same as zelensky support Trump.

You're jumping the gun here, so let's step back a little.

Poroshenko wasn't cleaning up corruption in Ukraine. He was part of their corruption. He was cleaning up Ukraine from his political opponents that were corrupted just as he was. Not just that he did not cleaned up their corrupt judges, police and prosecutors, and oligarchs from government, he kept them all, and his own corruption was the reason Zelensky got elected.

As for Ambassador Yovanovich, it is normal that Ambassador supports own president. She supported Barry while he was president, but she did not supported Trump. Is that normal? She also supported Poroshenko, and was against new president Zelensky. Is it normal that Zelensky have distrust in her and that our president, whom she doesn't like, replace her?

Manafort was already a known as bad dude even before Trump hired him. He hired him anyway. Like Flynn a military reject eating dinner with Putin. He hired him anyway.

Yes, Manafort had history, but that history was know long before he started working for Trump campaign. Why nobody went after him at the time when he committed crimes? Oh wait, they were after him, but he was cleared, right? But great, he's bad dude, let's get him. There are ways of doing so, and DNC secretly working with Ukrainians is not a proper channel.

You should know better.

Let’s get these facts straight.
1. Manafort resigned as Trump campaign manager when he was exposed of illegal activities. Then Mueller went after him now in jail.

2. Ambassador Yavanovich was employed by Trump for 3 years. She is a career diplomat with high remarks. She is a Trump supporter except when Guilliani went after her to inject Trump corrupted ideas. Going around bad mouthing her.
Why? Guilliani and cronies knew she is tough and would not put up corruptions. Obviously she is a good one to have that job for 3 years.

3. Obama military aid for Ukraine during Putin Crimea invasion. Do you honestly believe that those massive crates shipped to Ukraine are just blankets and first aid? It must be very powerful blankets and first aid that Russian separatists had not advanced an inch.


YOU ARE LYING.
1. Zelensky never said any bad words against Yavanovich. Yavanovich never expressed anything against Zelensky. All of that came from lying president Trump.

2. The only proof you got that Ukraine meddle in 2016 came from conspiracy theory promoted by Trump and Guilliani trying to save Putin. How convenient.

This is what Zelensky said about Yovanovitch.

 

[OKTexas]

If there is a Senate trial for impeachment, Schiff, Joe, Hunter, and the whistleblower will be subpoenaed.

It’ll be fantastic.

Schiff keeps saying he has no idea who the whistleblower is. You know he is lying!

Somebody better reveal who the rat is, because the Senate needs the rat to testify.

Everyone knows...it’s CIA agent Eric Ciaramella.

Why are there men in Black suits knocking on my door?

Hold on, BRB...

Adam is scared Schiffless about the rat being questioned by the Republicans. That's why he reneged on having him or her testify in the House. If the rat answers honestly, it would reveal a small part of the huge deep state we are dealing with.

There’s a law to protect the identity of a whistle blower. Are you responsible for his/her safety and the families?

Are you and the republicans above the law? Or the same as Trump lawlessness?

That law only applies to the IG and there are exceptions to it. If you have a law that says otherwise, feel free to post it. BTW, the ICIG had no jurisdiction to even take the complaint, much less act on it. I've posted a link to that in this thread twice already.

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[OKTexas]

We're supposed to only believe anti Trumpers. Everyone else is lying.

There were not all anti-Trumpers - well at least until the fat ass tried this bribery scam..

What the fuck makes you morons think that only die hard Trump supporters should be believed?

Because our people didn't start this clown show, the Democrats did. We on the right are honest. You on the left are despicable.

It all started with Trump when on July 25, he ask Zelensky for this little favor of investigating the Bidens. The most shocking part of this is that Trump saw absolutely nothing wrong in asking a foreign goverment to investigate a candidate for president that he will most likely face in the next election. If the Senate fails to convict Trump which is almost certain, the biggest celebration will not be in the White House but in Moscow.

So because slow Joe is running for President, he's insulated from any suspicion of wrong doing? This is the problem: in spite of their beliefs, there is no Thought Police in the US. You cannot read minds or tell the future. Nobody, including Trump, knows who he's going to run against. Furthermore, Joe is so washed up that Biden getting the nomination would guarantee a Trump win.

This happened the other night. Slow Joe claimed to have the support from the only black woman in the Senate. Problem was, he was standing right next to Harris when he made the claim.

Whether "Slow Joe" is guilty of any wrong doing is totally irrelevant in the Trump impeachment and here's why. A president running for re-election can not ask a foreign government to open an investigation against another candidate without violating our election laws as well as Article 1 Section 9 of the constitution and thus a violation of oath of office, unless his intent has nothing to do with discrediting his political opponent.

What it all boils down to is the intent of the president. If his sole reason for pressuring the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is his desire to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine, then his actions are justified. However, from the direct evidence presented in the House investigation as well as comments by Trump himself, it makes it doubtful that his real intent is cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine and not to discrediting Biden.

Damn, you're full of crap, if quid pro joe withheld US loan guarantees to interfere in the internal affairs of a foreign government, which he publicly admitted to BTW, he is as guilty of bribery as you claim Trump to be. That would make Trumps request justified and blow the shit out your narrative.

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[OKTexas]

He knew exactly what he was doing. Fuck Trump & fuck you anti-American assfucks lying to protect him.

58% of independent voters disagree with you snowflake and disagree with impeaching President Trump. You leftist idiots screwed yourselves.

Depends on what data one cherry picks:

“An NBC survey showed that 53 percent of independent voters supported impeaching Trump while 44 percent said he shouldn't be impeached.”
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“The poll, which isolated voters ages 18 to 29, found 52 percent of all eligible youth voters and 58 percent of likely youth voters in the 2020 presidential general election believe Trump should be impeached and removed from office.”

Well, I mean if you can't believe the kids that get all their news form social media, who can you believe, right? LMAO

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