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You are mistaken. Americans are now 21st in median income level, 4th or 3rd in income per capita. Guess what our median is doing terribly in the world . all in the last 30 years... great job GOP and dupes.I hate the lies you believe not you. Merry merry Christmas. But you vote for a party that makes life more difficult for yourself and your family and friends... Because you are Hoodwinked.When the richest end up with all the New Wealth for 30 years and the country and the middle class are falling apart, the rich are not paying enough. All the GOP has is hate and b******* and phony scandals and with you bigoted fools that's enough....So what, they do the same for you.
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What does that have to do with you getting the same protections? Also the hate you exude is palpable.
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My family and friends are doing just fine despite you commiecrats, not because of you. I don't want your god like government penalizing me because of the choices I made in my life. No children, I pay more taxes, no mortgage, I pay more taxes, no State income tax, I pay more taxes. With the new tax bill I will no longer pay, how is that against my interest?
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PAPAGEORGIO said Trump got rich working. This is false. I was explaining that to him.Is English your second language? What part of "he didn't get rich working" (he got rich inheriting/being gifted) do you not understand?The point is he didn't get rich working. Do you understand or do you need me to hold your hand and point out the important lines in the posts?So fucking what?
that's the point of money, to leave it to your kids....what planet do you live on?
He did work, that’s the point. He didn’t just party and blow his money, he went on to work harder to accomplish what he has accomplished.
Your stereotyping the rich shows you are a bigot.
And again, why does it make a difference?Is that what republicans mean when they tell people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps? "Work" by not partying and blowing your $10-20 million you inherited? No wonder it doesn't work.Inherit and work to keep. Again why would anyone but a bigot care?
Okay well then the Mueller and the FBI and all that what a joke slander phony that is, or any other evil corrupt Democrats...You don't know that important fact but you know everything about Hillary Clinton's evil scandals and other crap that has got nowhere near a courtroom.That's a fact. 3 to 6 million technical jobs are going begging at the moment and we can't spare any money to train anybody it is stupid it is RepublicanMenial manufacturing jobs have just followed a natural course too cheap pay in other countries. But other countries like Germany have trained their people for the tech jobs that we get more of from these new markets. Not you geniuses in the GOP....
Is that really what you've had to convince yourself of in order to live with yourself. You really are pathetic.
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Deflecting again?
Why do you keep bringing up the bitch?
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That's a fact. 3 to 6 million technical jobs are going begging at the moment and we can't spare any money to train anybody it is stupid it is RepublicanMenial manufacturing jobs have just followed a natural course too cheap pay in other countries. But other countries like Germany have trained their people for the tech jobs that we get more of from these new markets. Not you geniuses in the GOP....Anytime you people try a fact, you find out that you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.Promises, promises.
Actually there are countries where you can move to where a job / lots of money is not required. There's even a couple that would pay you to move to their country.
You're right LOL the problem is not GOP tax rates and policies the middle class is disappearing because people just got lazy. Right-wing idiocy knows no bounds.Fair is what you can EARN, nothing more, nothing less. If people want more they can get off their asses and EARN it. No one is stopping them from do it.
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No it was commiecrat policies pushing their jobs offshore. 60% of our GDP during your glory years came form manufacturing, commiecrat policies have cut that in half, of course you'll never admit that because it would require admitting most of the things you believe aren't true.
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Is that really what you've had to convince yourself of in order to live with yourself. You really are pathetic.
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The party that just cut abortion numbers by 40% by having free birth control better than free actually? The intelligent party? Yes I believe he will be. The party that wants to help the poor and immigrants and the non-rich? And families with daycare and Healthcare and paid parental leave?The people on welfare and assistance are what is known as the unfortunates. God will not be amused with you.And a Duke believes all that crap they get from a propaganda machine paid for exclusively bye greedy idiot GOP billionaires and their dupes. YouTube's are always telling us we're sucking Obama's dick or other obscenities and believe that liberals just care about their welfare checks. You are absolutely a disgrace. Poor America. Breaking... GOP and Democratic whites are exactly the same economically. Minorities know where the racists and obscene ignoramuses are, in the GOP.A liberal is a leftist. A liberal is a person of wealth envy. A liberal is a believer in Cradle-to-Grave government where personal responsibility is at the bare minimum and government makes all their decisions for them and everybody else. A liberal is a Socialist lite. A liberal is one who believes we live in a bubble, and within our bubble, there is only a finite amount of money, therefore, the reason some have too little is because others have too much.
A liberal is one who sides with evil over good at every turn. A liberal is one that desires for our country to look like a giant freak show where guys hold hand with guys in public, guys wearing dresses use female bathroom and shower facilities, and animals having more rights than humans.
Yes I am a partisan. I am anti-liberal. I am pro-conservative and yell it from the highest mountain tops with pride.
The Democrat party (like the Republican party) have their support groups. The two biggest support groups of the Democrats are government dependents and victims. Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.
So the goal of the Democrat party is to expand both groups and they've done so successfully. When DumBama was President, he created over 40 million more new government dependents between Commie Care and food stamps alone. It was no accident.
If we were to rid ourselves of government dependents and victims, there would be no Democrat party left. They would only be heard of in history books. So don't tell me Democrat voters are only worried about their welfare check--because they are.
And he will be amused with you supporting the party of baby killers and irresponsibility?
What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOLBecause it's good for the country, stupid dupeWhat an idiot... Of course not... But the non Rich should pay less and they should get better services cheaper education training and a one month paid vacation cheap daycare paid parental leave and better roads and bridges and airports etc etc, doofus.so you don't think anyone but the rich should pay taxes? Any tax? and you guys thought the deficit was bad now.....holy shit....
Ok, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?
Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.
The party that just cut abortion numbers by 40% by having free birth control better than free actually? The intelligent party? Yes I believe he will be. The party that wants to help the poor and immigrants and the non-rich? And families with daycare and Healthcare and paid parental leave?The people on welfare and assistance are what is known as the unfortunates. God will not be amused with you.And a Duke believes all that crap they get from a propaganda machine paid for exclusively bye greedy idiot GOP billionaires and their dupes. YouTube's are always telling us we're sucking Obama's dick or other obscenities and believe that liberals just care about their welfare checks. You are absolutely a disgrace. Poor America. Breaking... GOP and Democratic whites are exactly the same economically. Minorities know where the racists and obscene ignoramuses are, in the GOP.
The Democrat party (like the Republican party) have their support groups. The two biggest support groups of the Democrats are government dependents and victims. Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.
So the goal of the Democrat party is to expand both groups and they've done so successfully. When DumBama was President, he created over 40 million more new government dependents between Commie Care and food stamps alone. It was no accident.
If we were to rid ourselves of government dependents and victims, there would be no Democrat party left. They would only be heard of in history books. So don't tell me Democrat voters are only worried about their welfare check--because they are.
And he will be amused with you supporting the party of baby killers and irresponsibility?
When did God ever approve of Socialism? Jesus taught his followers to give of themselves--not for government to forcibly take. Force charity is not charity at all. Forced charity is theft, and theft is one of the big 10 no-no's in God's eyes.
pub crappeAny arguments at all, brainwashed functional moron? Poor AmericaWhat this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOLBecause it's good for the country, stupid dupeOk, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?
Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.
One of the dumbest responses to date. Thanks for proving you are nothing but a pawn for the hater dupes.
The party that just cut abortion numbers by 40% by having free birth control better than free actually? The intelligent party? Yes I believe he will be. The party that wants to help the poor and immigrants and the non-rich? And families with daycare and Healthcare and paid parental leave?The people on welfare and assistance are what is known as the unfortunates. God will not be amused with you.The Democrat party (like the Republican party) have their support groups. The two biggest support groups of the Democrats are government dependents and victims. Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.
So the goal of the Democrat party is to expand both groups and they've done so successfully. When DumBama was President, he created over 40 million more new government dependents between Commie Care and food stamps alone. It was no accident.
If we were to rid ourselves of government dependents and victims, there would be no Democrat party left. They would only be heard of in history books. So don't tell me Democrat voters are only worried about their welfare check--because they are.
And he will be amused with you supporting the party of baby killers and irresponsibility?
When did God ever approve of Socialism? Jesus taught his followers to give of themselves--not for government to forcibly take. Force charity is not charity at all. Forced charity is theft, and theft is one of the big 10 no-no's in God's eyes.
he wouldn't have a clue about jesus or the bible...these guys misquote jesus all the time.
I've already tried that and you can't do it unless you're billionaire a doctor or sent there by a corporation... And I noticed that I love America and Americans even dumbass loudmouth jackasses like you LOL... Thanks to the fact that Democrats are here to make us passable... When Democrats get in again and have control for the first time since LBJ, will fix it... As it is we now have Medicaid for poor workers and the beginning of a solution to our ridiculous GOP scam Health System, and we appear to leading the world in legalizing marijuana. Except for Canada... Only jackass Republicans in the whole world believe in America love it or leave it. You are a disgrace, Dupe.Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOLYup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.
With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.
Maybe you ought to move to one of those "modern" countries....dumbass.
You had to pass the friggen thing to find out what's in it, silly, Billy, Willy, Nilly.Have you read the entire bill?
I've already tried that and you can't do it unless you're billionaire a doctor or sent there by a corporation... And I noticed that I love America and Americans even dumbass loudmouth jackasses like you LOL... Thanks to the fact that Democrats are here to make us passable... When Democrats get in again and have control for the first time since LBJ, will fix it... As it is we now have Medicaid for poor workers and the beginning of a solution to our ridiculous GOP scam Health System, and we appear to leading the world in legalizing marijuana. Except for Canada... Only jackass Republicans in the whole world believe in America love it or leave it. You are a disgrace, Dupe.Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOL
With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.
Maybe you ought to move to one of those "modern" countries....dumbass.
Wow so many things here are stupid
Wait.....wait.....wait....
I've already tried that and you can't do it unless you're billionaire a doctor or sent there by a corporation
Other countries have tough immigration....holy shit
So why is you cant enter without being a billionaire?
Clinton and Obama had full control.....
So if America is so awful and hateful and Europe is so much better, why are you here?
The Paris Hilton - Kim Kardashian class.You don't understand how economics work. Being "rich" does not do anything for anyone. A rich person is just someone entitled to goods and services. A rich person can be a worthless, lazy layabout rich kid who does absolutely nothing useful. That's the quickest way to make a lot of money in this country: inherit it.
The problem here Ray, is that A) you're listening to the reporter who do the bidding for the rich and B) you're playing games with facts to make it look like something it isn't.
See the average income tax for those who earn $10 million or more is LOWER than those who earn $1 million? And yet there's nothing there about the multitudes who earn LESS than $1 million. We call it cherry picking Ray.
Also, this is ONLY income tax. It doesn't include other taxes which the rich manage to get past.
And they've manage to dupe the fuck out of your ass, as you're their star fucking cheer leader with big tits.
"Billionaire investing guru Warren Buffett is famous for saying that he pays a lower income tax rate than his secretary, "
How much? How much does Buffett pay?
I asked a SPECIFIC question and all you did was post a webpage which DOES NOT answer my question.
"Thanks to tax loopholes like those, one out of every three of America's top 400 income earners, each of whom had income above $110 million, paid a tax rate that was less than 15% in 2008, "
Less than 15%. 0% is less than 15%. -30% is less than 15%.
So how much do these one in three top 400 earns actually pay? You can't tell me, can you?
8% of these, that's 32 billionaires, pay under 10%. Who's betting that these people are people like the Koch brothers, the people who spend a lot of money making sure they don't end up paying taxes. Instead they spend it on fooling people like you.
But again Ray, all this says is INCOME TAX.
I didn't ask about INCOME TAX. I asked about TAX.
So, do you have this information, or are you just going to throw websites at me which don't tell me anything?
You must think we have a flat tax in this country or something. Many of those billionaires make their money on capital gains---not income. Because of that, they are taxed differently. There are also low taxed bonds and those sort of things that keep their taxes lower even though they don't get a tremendous return as they would other investments.
What I can't figure out is your argument: is it the rich vs the richer or is it the rich vs the average person that you're upset about???? Remember that it's people like Buffett that are aiding our retirement accounts in the market. We want to encourage that--not discourage it.
Top 40% paying ALL income taxes, and leaving a tip
Buffet is yet another leftist hypocrite. How long did he fight the IRS last time because he felt he was paying too much in taxes? Think Buffett doesn't take every tax write-off he's allowed to? How about Gates? How about the Hollywood left?
The New York Times Paid No Taxes in 2014 - Breitbart
Yes, I know they're taxed differently.
The question I asked was "HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY IN TAX?" and your answer was "here's some article about one type of tax" and my response was "that doesn't tell me ANYTHING".
It's that simple.
You think Buffett is doing all this for you? He's not. There's a reason we don't know how much these people pay, and it's because they don't want us to know how little they're paying.
Actually I think because it's none of our business. No matter what they pay, it's still a hell of a lot more than what your average American pays.
No, Buffett isn't doing anything for me, it just happens to work out that way. The reason we have lower capital gains taxes IS to encourage investments that do benefit all of us.
And that's the other thing that bothers me so much about these topics. The wealthy do benefit our society greatly. They create jobs, new taxation, products, services, and all the left can think of doing is cutting them down. The people they defend are the leaches of our society that contribute little or nothing, create problems for society, and people we can generally do without if you ask me.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that mindset.
The people who produce the goods and services are quite often middle class or poor. They get a little bit of money for their goods and services which they use to keep themselves alive by buying other goods and services. That's really how the economy works. A rich person is someone who inherited money from daddy. Essentially, it's entitlement they get to goods and services without ever having done anything for it. They often have little incentive to do anything useful since they don't really need any additional money. They are the real leeches, possibly even worse than deadbeat minority welfare moms person for person.
I am still retired... If only you dupes weren't blinded by selfishness to the point that you believe everyone is... Duped again...What this country is dying for is a healthy middle class and working class, so we have demand for product. That would truly float all boats, as opposed to your Pander to the rich mess, super doopity dupe LOLBecause it's good for the country, stupid dupeOk, what the heck, why should non-rich get better services, cheaper education, one month paid vacation, cheap daycare, paid parental leave and better roads?
Yup, I figured you'd have a dumbass response.
With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.
I love liberals, you pay less in taxes and somehow that means your being bent over..
That is EXACTLY what right wingers in congress were hoping that their moronic cult would "conclude".........Congrats.
it had nothing to do with tax cuts.....You seem very upset about the tax cutI didn't say it was fair to do that.
Are you just making things up that you believe I will say?
This tax cut will help me keep more of My money
In fact, the only ones that get "hurt" are the wealthiest landowners
So why the outrage friend?
Oh, I seem upset do I? Right... because you can tell emotion over the internet. Give me a break.
Will it help you keep more of your money?
Let's see. The last tax cuts under Bush led to a recession which lost a lot of people their homes, it lost a lot of people their jobs. Do you think they got to keep more of their money? Really?
I'd say it would be none of our business if what they were paying were FAIR.
ah yes, our friends on the left; ever the arbitrators of what is "fair"
why is it always "fair" to them to take more of my money and give it to those that don't want to work
"A liberal believes if you make money, you are not entitled to it, but if you want money, you are."
Ken Blackwell
Like all liberals are the same. Bullshiters quoting bulshitters.
I would call that a pretty accurate statement. Liberals believe in taking money from those that earn it and giving it to those that don't, or are you going to argue that point too?
You must think we have a flat tax in this country or something. Many of those billionaires make their money on capital gains---not income. Because of that, they are taxed differently. There are also low taxed bonds and those sort of things that keep their taxes lower even though they don't get a tremendous return as they would other investments.
What I can't figure out is your argument: is it the rich vs the richer or is it the rich vs the average person that you're upset about???? Remember that it's people like Buffett that are aiding our retirement accounts in the market. We want to encourage that--not discourage it.
Top 40% paying ALL income taxes, and leaving a tip
Buffet is yet another leftist hypocrite. How long did he fight the IRS last time because he felt he was paying too much in taxes? Think Buffett doesn't take every tax write-off he's allowed to? How about Gates? How about the Hollywood left?
The New York Times Paid No Taxes in 2014 - Breitbart
Yes, I know they're taxed differently.
The question I asked was "HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY IN TAX?" and your answer was "here's some article about one type of tax" and my response was "that doesn't tell me ANYTHING".
It's that simple.
You think Buffett is doing all this for you? He's not. There's a reason we don't know how much these people pay, and it's because they don't want us to know how little they're paying.
Actually I think because it's none of our business. No matter what they pay, it's still a hell of a lot more than what your average American pays.
No, Buffett isn't doing anything for me, it just happens to work out that way. The reason we have lower capital gains taxes IS to encourage investments that do benefit all of us.
And that's the other thing that bothers me so much about these topics. The wealthy do benefit our society greatly. They create jobs, new taxation, products, services, and all the left can think of doing is cutting them down. The people they defend are the leaches of our society that contribute little or nothing, create problems for society, and people we can generally do without if you ask me.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that mindset.
I'd say it would be none of our business if what they were paying were FAIR.
The problem is some of them have managed to buy Congress, buy politicians and when it becomes that corrupt, it is the business of the people.
One thing is to encourage investment. Another is to encourage rich people to give lots of money to politicians to do the bidding of the rich. Taxing the rich at a lower rate might encourage investment, but taxing the poorer people at a lower rate can encourage spending, as can taxing the Middle Class at a lower rate. You can make such arguments all day, but that doesn't stop things being unfair.
I'm not talking here about taxing the wealthy to death. I'm talking about making them pay a fair amount which people can trust in. The problem is you have the Koch brothers trying to take over the country. That doesn't benefit you. The partisan politics that they're defending because it's in their interests is killing the country.
There is a problem also with the leaches of society. But the rich don't care. They like having these people in order to create an environment where they can manipulate people all the time.
Can you honestly say that only the wealthy contribute to politicians for their benefit? The trial lawyers don't do it, the unions don't do it, the environmentalists don't do it, the animal rights people don't do it?
So you tell me, what is "fair" for the wealthy to pay in your mind? Give me a number. Give me a percentage, a total figure, something.........
The very idea that 50% of our people that pay the taxes for 100% of our people isn't fair is astonishing.
Can we at least agree that the word "fair" means equal? If so, would not fair share mean everybody pays the same amount?
I can honestly say that only the wealthy have enough money to throw at politicians for politicians to do their bidding.
Unions give money, but they give the money of many. People getting together in groups. This isn't about individuals.
Fair isn't a figure, it's not a percentage. It's a "you benefit from the govt, therefore you need to pay for what you benefit from it".
We've been through this before Ray.
If you have a multinational and they pay 10% of tax, and a competing business which pays 30% of tax, but the multinational pays $500 million and the small business pays $10,000, which of those figures makes it unfair?
The point is he didn't get rich working. Do you understand or do you need me to hold your hand and point out the important lines in the posts?So fucking what?He inherited it, stupid. He may have also received some as a gift prior to his father's death.Working.How do you think Trump got rich?Stereotype much?
that's the point of money, to leave it to your kids....what planet do you live on?
