OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[dcbl]

However a Congressmen who is looking after more than just one person is less corrupt.

this is patently false

like everything else, it depends

an example - the people of Atlanta & the people of South Alabama have been in a dispute over water rights for decades

Atlanta is a big city & utilizes a lot of resources

Atlanta also produces a tremendous amount of waste; so much that the Chattahoochee river is just about disgusting anywhere south of Atlanta

the waste has also just about destroyed marine life where the river lets out into the Gulf of Mexico & has seriously hurt the economy of fishermen in South Alabama

the politicians in Atlanta represent FAR more people than the politicians in South Alabama

is it corrupt to destroy nature?

do the millions of people in Atlanta have a right to fully utilize the river that is the lifeblood of the city?

are the pols that represent MORE people less corrupt when they continue to allow the river to be polluted to the point that those south of them cannot enjoy its benefits?

the world is not absolute & statements like the one you just made can almost always be disproven

because there are always at least 3 sides to every story

 

[francoHFW]

Like all liberals are the same. Bullshiters quoting bulshitters.

I would call that a pretty accurate statement. Liberals believe in taking money from those that earn it and giving it to those that don't, or are you going to argue that point too?

Yes, I know you would. But then Ray, I've seen a lot of your posts and seen the utter blatant blinkered partisanship from you, so it doesn't surprise me at all.

"A liberal", what is a liberal Ray? You couldn't define "a liberal" if you tried and be accurate because there is nothing that defines a liberal.

A liberal is a leftist. A liberal is a person of wealth envy. A liberal is a believer in Cradle-to-Grave government where personal responsibility is at the bare minimum and government makes all their decisions for them and everybody else. A liberal is a Socialist lite. A liberal is one who believes we live in a bubble, and within our bubble, there is only a finite amount of money, therefore, the reason some have too little is because others have too much.

A liberal is one who sides with evil over good at every turn. A liberal is one that desires for our country to look like a giant freak show where guys hold hand with guys in public, guys wearing dresses use female bathroom and shower facilities, and animals having more rights than humans.

Yes I am a partisan. I am anti-liberal. I am pro-conservative and yell it from the highest mountain tops with pride.

And a Duke believes all that crap they get from a propaganda machine paid for exclusively bye greedy idiot GOP billionaires and their dupes. YouTube's are always telling us we're sucking Obama's dick or other obscenities and believe that liberals just care about their welfare checks. You are absolutely a disgrace. Poor America. Breaking... GOP and Democratic whites are exactly the same economically. Minorities know where the racists and obscene ignoramuses are, in the GOP.

The Democrat party (like the Republican party) have their support groups. The two biggest support groups of the Democrats are government dependents and victims. Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.

So the goal of the Democrat party is to expand both groups and they've done so successfully. When DumBama was President, he created over 40 million more new government dependents between Commie Care and food stamps alone. It was no accident.

If we were to rid ourselves of government dependents and victims, there would be no Democrat party left. They would only be heard of in history books. So don't tell me Democrat voters are only worried about their welfare check--because they are.

The people on welfare and assistance are what is known as the unfortunates. God will not be amused with you.

 

[francoHFW]

However a Congressmen who is looking after more than just one person is less corrupt.

this is patently false

like everything else, it depends

an example - the people of Atlanta & the people of South Alabama have been in a dispute over water rights for decades

Atlanta is a big city & utilizes a lot of resources

Atlanta also produces a tremendous amount of waste; so much that the Chattahoochee river is just about disgusting anywhere south of Atlanta

the waste has also just about destroyed marine life where the river lets out into the Gulf of Mexico & has seriously hurt the economy of fishermen in South Alabama

the politicians in Atlanta represent FAR more people than the politicians in South Alabama

is it corrupt to destroy nature?

do the millions of people in Atlanta have a right to fully utilize the river that is the lifeblood of the city?

are the pols that represent MORE people less corrupt when they continue to allow the river to be polluted to the point that those south of them cannot enjoy its benefits?

the world is not absolute & statements like the one you just made can almost always be disproven

because there are always at least 3 sides to every story

However a Congressmen who is looking after more than just one person is less corrupt.

this is patently false

like everything else, it depends

an example - the people of Atlanta & the people of South Alabama have been in a dispute over water rights for decades

Atlanta is a big city & utilizes a lot of resources

Atlanta also produces a tremendous amount of waste; so much that the Chattahoochee river is just about disgusting anywhere south of Atlanta

the waste has also just about destroyed marine life where the river lets out into the Gulf of Mexico & has seriously hurt the economy of fishermen in South Alabama

the politicians in Atlanta represent FAR more people than the politicians in South Alabama

is it corrupt to destroy nature?

do the millions of people in Atlanta have a right to fully utilize the river that is the lifeblood of the city?

are the pols that represent MORE people less corrupt when they continue to allow the river to be polluted to the point that those south of them cannot enjoy its benefits?

the world is not absolute & statements like the one you just made can almost always be disproven

because there are always at least 3 sides to every story

Best to have Democrats protecting the water...

 

[Rustic]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government fuck the little guy at every turn...

Socialism is the enemy of the little guy...

 

[dcbl]

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face.

meet me at the Sonic

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government fuck the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

Your beloved "gubermint" is a corporate entity.............learn how to read a CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) that all corporations must file.......every city, town, burg, county and state is a corporate entity and a subsidiary of USA.INC.

every city, town, burg, county and state is a corporate entity

Trump just cut the tax rate on government?

Deep state bastards!!!!

 

[dcbl]

Point is, we on the right are not brainwashed by anybody. Our beliefs are genuine and nobody tells us how to think; we've always thought this way.

I have been on message boards since 2003 or 2004

I have been called "the nice republican" and I have been accused of parroting "right wing talking points"

my answer is always the same

I am one of the people that could write those "right wing talking points"

 

[Papageorgio]

Working.

He inherited it, stupid. He may have also received some as a gift prior to his father's death.

So fucking what?
that's the point of money, to leave it to your kids....what planet do you live on?

The point is he didn't get rich working. Do you understand or do you need me to hold your hand and point out the important lines in the posts?

He did work, that’s the point. He didn’t just party and blow his money, he went on to work harder to accomplish what he has accomplished.

Your stereotyping the rich shows you are a bigot.

Is English your second language? What part of "he didn't get rich working" (he got rich inheriting/being gifted) do you not understand?

And again, why does it make a difference? Inherit and work to keep. Again why would anyone but a bigot care?

 

[OKTexas]

I was waiting for you to make an argument, you claim it is ruining America, even though I will get the largest tax break in my lifetime, even though I am middle class. The left didn’t give a damn about the deficit for 8 years, I have wanted higher taxes for all and a huge reduction of spending for decades, yet you dupes think we need to increase spending and increase taxes, only on certain people, usually those you are envious of.

And the ones who have been getting all the new Wealth for 35 years... We need consumer demand in this country and not gigantic tax breaks for the rich who are so bloated it's ridiculous. And the biggest tax break you got ever was the payroll tax breaks Obama gave you and which the GOP would not extend.

Payroll tax breaks from Obama?! LOL...dumbass.

What is your question?

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Great, move your fat ass there.


.

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face. What the f*** is wrong with you people? Since you're such a dumbass, I'll tell you you can't move to another country unless you don't need to work and have a lot of money. See, what smart people would like is to have a fair country instead of giving it all away to the rich you stupid a******LOL merry Christmas.

Promises, promises.

Actually there are countries where you can move to where a job / lots of money is not required. There's even a couple that would pay you to move to their country.

Anytime you people try a fact, you find out that you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.

I was waiting for you to make an argument, you claim it is ruining America, even though I will get the largest tax break in my lifetime, even though I am middle class. The left didn’t give a damn about the deficit for 8 years, I have wanted higher taxes for all and a huge reduction of spending for decades, yet you dupes think we need to increase spending and increase taxes, only on certain people, usually those you are envious of.

And the ones who have been getting all the new Wealth for 35 years... We need consumer demand in this country and not gigantic tax breaks for the rich who are so bloated it's ridiculous. And the biggest tax break you got ever was the payroll tax breaks Obama gave you and which the GOP would not extend.

Payroll tax breaks from Obama?! LOL...dumbass.

What is your question?

With a one month paid vacation and parental leave how in the heck do you plan on being productive. That may float your boat but no one else's.

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Great, move your fat ass there.


.

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face. What the f*** is wrong with you people? Since you're such a dumbass, I'll tell you you can't move to another country unless you don't need to work and have a lot of money. See, what smart people would like is to have a fair country instead of giving it all away to the rich you stupid a******LOL merry Christmas.

Fair is what you can EARN, nothing more, nothing less. If people want more they can get off their asses and EARN it. No one is stopping them from do it.


.

You're right LOL the problem is not GOP tax rates and policies the middle class is disappearing because people just got lazy. Right-wing idiocy knows no bounds.

No it was commiecrat policies pushing their jobs offshore. 60% of our GDP during your glory years came form manufacturing, commiecrat policies have cut that in half, of course you'll never admit that because it would require admitting most of the things you believe aren't true.


.

 

[dcbl]

Best to have Democrats protecting the water...

apparently not

the city council in Atlanta is almost exclusively run by democrats

I mean sure, the white folks in Buckhead send a few republicans, but the city is certainly run by democrats

nice try though

 

[OKTexas]

I can honestly say that only the wealthy have enough money to throw at politicians for politicians to do their bidding.

Oh, you mean like George Soros, Bill Gates, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett?

So how are these people buying less political influence than those that contribute to the Republican party?

Unions give money, but they give the money of many. People getting together in groups. This isn't about individuals.

Oh, you mean like the NRA?

Fair isn't a figure, it's not a percentage. It's a "you benefit from the govt, therefore you need to pay for what you benefit from it".

Who benefits more from government, a rich person or a poor person? Why should a person who benefits the least from government have to pay more than the person who benefits the most?

If you have a multinational and they pay 10% of tax, and a competing business which pays 30% of tax, but the multinational pays $500 million and the small business pays $10,000, which of those figures makes it unfair?

I don't even understand the question, however multinational companies pay corporate taxes on money they made from their US operations. If they make money elsewhere, why should they pay taxes there and here?

You mean a rich person's companies don't use the roads airports and ports, the police and the Army don't protect their assets? Another total dupe...

So what, they do the same for you.


.

When the richest end up with all the New Wealth for 30 years and the country and the middle class are falling apart, the rich are not paying enough. All the GOP has is hate and b******* and phony scandals and with you bigoted fools that's enough....

What does that have to do with you getting the same protections? Also the hate you exude is palpable.


.

 

[dcbl]

you'll never admit that because it would require admitting most of the things you believe aren't true.

Reagan nailed it when he said that it isn't that our friends on the left are "lying"; it's just that so much that they believe with all their precious little hearts just simply isn't so...

 

[francoHFW]

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face.

meet me at the Sonic

I don't tell you dupes to get out of the country ...what is wrong with you people? See your picture of you there? You are duped into hate. Your media is full of hate and misinformation.

 

[dcbl]

I don't tell you dupes to get out of the country ...what is wrong with you people? See your picture of you there? You are duped into hate. Your media is full of hate and misinformation.

the guy threatening to find out where someone lives so he can come mess up their face accuses me of being filled with hate

got it

 

[bgrouse]

He inherited it, stupid. He may have also received some as a gift prior to his father's death.

So fucking what?
that's the point of money, to leave it to your kids....what planet do you live on?

The point is he didn't get rich working. Do you understand or do you need me to hold your hand and point out the important lines in the posts?

He did work, that’s the point. He didn’t just party and blow his money, he went on to work harder to accomplish what he has accomplished.

Your stereotyping the rich shows you are a bigot.

Is English your second language? What part of "he didn't get rich working" (he got rich inheriting/being gifted) do you not understand?

And again, why does it make a difference?

PAPAGEORGIO said Trump got rich working. This is false. I was explaining that to him.

Inherit and work to keep. Again why would anyone but a bigot care?

Is that what republicans mean when they tell people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps? "Work" by not partying and blowing your $10-20 million you inherited? No wonder it doesn't work.

 

[francoHFW]

And the ones who have been getting all the new Wealth for 35 years... We need consumer demand in this country and not gigantic tax breaks for the rich who are so bloated it's ridiculous. And the biggest tax break you got ever was the payroll tax breaks Obama gave you and which the GOP would not extend.

Payroll tax breaks from Obama?! LOL...dumbass.

What is your question?

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Great, move your fat ass there.


.

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face. What the f*** is wrong with you people? Since you're such a dumbass, I'll tell you you can't move to another country unless you don't need to work and have a lot of money. See, what smart people would like is to have a fair country instead of giving it all away to the rich you stupid a******LOL merry Christmas.

Promises, promises.

Actually there are countries where you can move to where a job / lots of money is not required. There's even a couple that would pay you to move to their country.

Anytime you people try a fact, you find out that you have no idea what the f*** you are talking about.

And the ones who have been getting all the new Wealth for 35 years... We need consumer demand in this country and not gigantic tax breaks for the rich who are so bloated it's ridiculous. And the biggest tax break you got ever was the payroll tax breaks Obama gave you and which the GOP would not extend.

Payroll tax breaks from Obama?! LOL...dumbass.

What is your question?

Every other modern country has all that stuff, super dupes.

Great, move your fat ass there.


.

God you ignorant right-wingers are stupid assholes. I'm not going anywhere and if I find out where you are going to come down there and give you a new face. What the f*** is wrong with you people? Since you're such a dumbass, I'll tell you you can't move to another country unless you don't need to work and have a lot of money. See, what smart people would like is to have a fair country instead of giving it all away to the rich you stupid a******LOL merry Christmas.

Fair is what you can EARN, nothing more, nothing less. If people want more they can get off their asses and EARN it. No one is stopping them from do it.


.

You're right LOL the problem is not GOP tax rates and policies the middle class is disappearing because people just got lazy. Right-wing idiocy knows no bounds.

No it was commiecrat policies pushing their jobs offshore. 60% of our GDP during your glory years came form manufacturing, commiecrat policies have cut that in half, of course you'll never admit that because it would require admitting most of the things you believe aren't true.


.

Menial manufacturing jobs have just followed a natural course too cheap pay in other countries. But other countries like Germany have trained their people for the tech jobs that we get more of from these new markets. Not you geniuses in the GOP....

 

[francoHFW]

I can honestly say that only the wealthy have enough money to throw at politicians for politicians to do their bidding.

Oh, you mean like George Soros, Bill Gates, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett?

So how are these people buying less political influence than those that contribute to the Republican party?

Unions give money, but they give the money of many. People getting together in groups. This isn't about individuals.

Oh, you mean like the NRA?

Fair isn't a figure, it's not a percentage. It's a "you benefit from the govt, therefore you need to pay for what you benefit from it".

Who benefits more from government, a rich person or a poor person? Why should a person who benefits the least from government have to pay more than the person who benefits the most?

If you have a multinational and they pay 10% of tax, and a competing business which pays 30% of tax, but the multinational pays $500 million and the small business pays $10,000, which of those figures makes it unfair?

I don't even understand the question, however multinational companies pay corporate taxes on money they made from their US operations. If they make money elsewhere, why should they pay taxes there and here?

You mean a rich person's companies don't use the roads airports and ports, the police and the Army don't protect their assets? Another total dupe...

So what, they do the same for you.


.

When the richest end up with all the New Wealth for 30 years and the country and the middle class are falling apart, the rich are not paying enough. All the GOP has is hate and b******* and phony scandals and with you bigoted fools that's enough....

What does that have to do with you getting the same protections? Also the hate you exude is palpable.


.

I hate the lies you believe not you. Merry merry Christmas. But you vote for a party that makes life more difficult for yourself and your family and friends... Because you are Hoodwinked.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't tell you dupes to get out of the country ...what is wrong with you people? See your picture of you there? You are duped into hate. Your media is full of hate and misinformation.

the guy threatening to find out where someone lives so he can come mess up their face accuses me of being filled with hate

got it

If one of you assholes tells me to get out of the country I love and I'm trying to improve, that pisses me off and it's pretty hard to piss me off.

 

[dcbl]

it's pretty hard to piss me off

 

[francoHFW]

you'll never admit that because it would require admitting most of the things you believe aren't true.

Reagan nailed it when he said that it isn't that our friends on the left are "lying"; it's just that so much that they believe with all their precious little hearts just simply isn't so...

Reagan was a long time ago... And he believed in journalism and facts and was no racist.