OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

Sure, every penny he got was inherited from his father! That is except for the part taken by the federal government and the state of NY. That is what you are claiming, and you would be WRONG!
I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!
Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.


Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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I just wish he wouldn't listen to Fox News all the time and believe it Alex Jones oh my God. Hopefully smarter than everybody but doesn't seem like it... Nobody could call him a great businessman really. But he knew his brand was great.


Yeah, everyone pretends Trump is stupid with zero evidence of it. Yet during the tax negotiations he could site specific sections of the the bill unaided, which floored some congresscritters. He's doing what he thinks is best for the country and at this point he has done nothing that would change my opinion.

You can continue your class warfare chants, it just makes reasonable people think you're an idiot.


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You prove over and over that you're just not very smart. Anything created by man can be replicated by other men. And laws against illegals are NOT aimed specifically at hispanics, they are aimed at all illegals. The first lame link you posted was about muslims and the second was a State case having nothing to do with the feds and it was long before Trump.

Now, would you like to get back on topic, it's about tax cuts.


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I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.

The middle class got lots of tax savings coming up, that you been duped isn’t our issue. The standard deductions went up, tax credits for the middle class went up and the percentage taxed went down, hater.
I said it is ridiculous for the rich to get big tax cuts -none of that

It’s ridiculous that you lied about what grouse said but, you are a dupe.
He never said all or none of any group. Some or many...

Sorry liar, you are changing what you said, he directly inferred rich kids that inherited money, so shut up you lying dupe!
 
Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

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I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.

The middle class got lots of tax savings coming up, that you been duped isn’t our issue. The standard deductions went up, tax credits for the middle class went up and the percentage taxed went down, hater.
I said it is ridiculous for the rich to get big tax cuts -none of that

It’s ridiculous that you lied about what grouse said but, you are a dupe.
He never said all or none of any group. Some or many...
I am not a dupe because I do not believe any b******* hate phony propaganda. You people believe obvious lies like Obama is Kenyan Muslim evil corrupt etc etc with no evidence. Just a pile of b******* that never gets anywhere in the real world....

You are the biggest dupe on here. And here you go with more lies, I never said he was Kenyan, yet you persist in lying because that is all you got hater dupe! Lying is Hillary’s strongest defense and is yours also. Liar dupe!
 
Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

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You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.
 
Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

Stirthepot-1-S.jpg
You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
 
Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

Stirthepot-1-S.jpg
You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
I've already addressed the people whining about how I'm lying and showed them to be full of shit.
 
Sure, every penny he got was inherited from his father! That is except for the part taken by the federal government and the state of NY. That is what you are claiming, and you would be WRONG!
I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!
Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.


Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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We know how Trump ran his businesses. Get a loan, roll the dice. If he wins, he keeps the money and boasts about what a great businessman he is. If he loses, he tells the creditor to go fuck himself. Rinse and repeat. Of course none of this would have been probable without some initial capital (see: daddy). A poor 9-5 manual laborer doesn't just go into a credit union to come out with a $1 million unsecured loan.


Business startups are risky, everyone involved are aware of that FACT. Every airline in the US has filed for bankruptcy at one time or another, some more than once. Trump wasn't the only one that invested in NJ and lost, a bunch of casinos were built and failed. The ones left standing are profitable.

A third of startups fail in the first 2 years, half in 5 years and two thirds in 10. Businesses that survive long term are the exception, not the rule.


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Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

Stirthepot-1-S.jpg
You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
I've already addressed the people whining about how I'm lying and showed them to be full of shit.

Prove it, because you claimed you did, yet all you did is deflect saying your lie wasn’t important. It is because you are basing your idea on a bigoted view point. So as you continue to lie, we will call you out on them.
 
I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!
Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.


Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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We know how Trump ran his businesses. Get a loan, roll the dice. If he wins, he keeps the money and boasts about what a great businessman he is. If he loses, he tells the creditor to go fuck himself. Rinse and repeat. Of course none of this would have been probable without some initial capital (see: daddy). A poor 9-5 manual laborer doesn't just go into a credit union to come out with a $1 million unsecured loan.


Business startups are risky, everyone involved are aware of that FACT. Every airline in the US has filed for bankruptcy at one time or another, some more than once. Trump wasn't the only one that invested in NJ and lost, a bunch of casinos were built and failed. The ones left standing are profitable.

A third of startups fail in the first 2 years, half in 5 years and two thirds in 10. Businesses that survive long term are the exception, not the rule.


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Wonderful, but he's still a deadbeat.
 
Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.

You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

Stirthepot-1-S.jpg
You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
I've already addressed the people whining about how I'm lying and showed them to be full of shit.

Prove it, because you claimed you did, yet all you did is deflect saying your lie wasn’t important. It is because you are basing your idea on a bigoted view point. So as you continue to lie, we will call you out on them.
I just finished with ADMIRAL ROCKWELL TORY (see his posts in the last 5 hours), an illiterate moron who couldn't figure out what I said and thought I was lying.
 
You don't really think that's going to have a positive impact on BGROUSE do you? He has but one purpose.

Stirthepot-1-S.jpg
You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
I've already addressed the people whining about how I'm lying and showed them to be full of shit.

Prove it, because you claimed you did, yet all you did is deflect saying your lie wasn’t important. It is because you are basing your idea on a bigoted view point. So as you continue to lie, we will call you out on them.
I just finished with ADMIRAL ROCKWELL TORY (see his posts in the last 5 hours), an illiterate moron who couldn't figure out what I said and thought I was lying.

I don’t think you are lying, I know you are. You have produced nothing, thanks for proving you are a bigot and a liar.
 
Not sure how you came up with that.

with math

and logic, something that eludes far too many of my friends on the left

The more income a person has, the more the lower tax brackets will help.

um hmm

I know this may be hard for you to comprehend, but there are actually people that derive their income and grow their wealth through ownership of property

in fact; that is true of the most wealthy among us

fwiw; it is how our President, a fine man and a great America, built his wealth

the wealthiest people, those that actually own the most property and have the most power, will wind up paying more

please don't tell me I have to put some numbers together for you to demonstrate this point

please show some deference & intelligence

I'm pulling for you baw, I really am

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At one time I thought these people like Nat or Guno were just posting hogwash to fan flames? It appears some of these posters believe their spew? They may even be right on some issues? But you cannot be sure, buried in the Hate and attacks?

America, love it ir leave it........they used to say.
Right-wing s*** heads used to... And still do as if it's an argument. Dumbasses


Funny, you said the same in this thread, are you a right-wing shit head?

Go move to Somaliland.


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It's a very ugly thing to say to a fellow citizen. I was joking. Giveaways or tax cuts for the rich have not worked and they will not work this time either...


How many times do you have to be told, the tax cuts are for everyone, the people that pay more benefit more, that's a fact in a progressive tax system.


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You clowns, hiding behind the legal framework of Trump's businesses, are really funny.

You lying about people who inherit money is what is funny. You bigots are sick, jealous and hateful. You sure couldn’t put up but you are still lying. Lol! Dupe!
I've already addressed the people whining about how I'm lying and showed them to be full of shit.

Prove it, because you claimed you did, yet all you did is deflect saying your lie wasn’t important. It is because you are basing your idea on a bigoted view point. So as you continue to lie, we will call you out on them.
I just finished with ADMIRAL ROCKWELL TORY (see his posts in the last 5 hours), an illiterate moron who couldn't figure out what I said and thought I was lying.

I don’t think you are lying, I know you are. You have produced nothing, thanks for proving you are a bigot and a liar.
I handed him his ass right here:
That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!
Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

You first. Answer the question.

He got a loan. He has other brothers and sisters you know. They would have shared in their inheritance. How many of them became billionaires?
How the fuck should I know? Did I ever make any claim related to that regarding Trump's brothers and sisters? I'm asking someone to back up something they said. You're asking me to back up/explain something I didn't say.

You claimed he got rich because of inheritance, did you not?

That was a lie. He was already rich before his father and mother died. You are a liar. Admit it. You post things that you know for certain are not true. .
I said he got it from his dad, one way or another.

He inherited it, stupid. He may have also received some as a gift prior to his father's death.

That was, oh, over 100-200 posts back. See, it's that problem rearing its ugly head again: your illiteracy.
 
Sure I do. Paying less taxes means I have more money. Are going to be ok after the 2018 rout of sorry lying liberals?
You and your friend are full of shit and can't point out where I lied.
Everything you have posted is a lie. Paying less tax means I have more money. You pretend it's not. You are a liar.
It will no doubt continue as it has... Your tiny tax cut will be more than made up for by higher state and local taxes which kills regular folks. So the rich can get their giant tax cut, Dupe. And our infrastructure and middle-class will continue to Fall Apart.


Sounds like the folks are voting for the wrong people at the State and local levels.


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I believe those state and local taxes would go up no matter which party they vote for. Because federal Aid has gone down to states and localities thanks to tax cutting fools LOL
I hope it works and Trump is a genius... For the good of the country unlike you Obama hating fools...


Maobama had no love for this country, you don't try to fundamentally transform something you love. Thank God Trump is rolling back much of the damage he wrought.


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Not sure how you came up with that.

with math

and logic, something that eludes far too many of my friends on the left

The more income a person has, the more the lower tax brackets will help.

um hmm

I know this may be hard for you to comprehend, but there are actually people that derive their income and grow their wealth through ownership of property

in fact; that is true of the most wealthy among us

fwiw; it is how our President, a fine man and a great America, built his wealth

the wealthiest people, those that actually own the most property and have the most power, will wind up paying more

please don't tell me I have to put some numbers together for you to demonstrate this point

please show some deference & intelligence

I'm pulling for you baw, I really am

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I don't need to ask you to do that, I already see you're wrong. The loss of real estate tax deductions are for personal real estate, not for business real estate. You shouldn't discuss things you don't understand.
 
You know hispanics only make up about 60% of illegals, right? The rest come from virtually every country in the world. Like I said there are no laws that specifically target hispanics, but feel free to continue your lies and I'll continue to laugh at you.


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Actually Hispanics are over 75% of illegals. And the only way to stop illegals coming in is a SSID card that can't be faked, and Republicans have blocked forever, Dupe.


You prove over and over that you're just not very smart. Anything created by man can be replicated by other men. And laws against illegals are NOT aimed specifically at hispanics, they are aimed at all illegals. The first lame link you posted was about muslims and the second was a State case having nothing to do with the feds and it was long before Trump.

Now, would you like to get back on topic, it's about tax cuts.


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I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.


They are not worthy, they are criminals. And everyone got a tax cut, not just the rich. Keep pushing the propaganda, it's quite entertaining.


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I think people in blue States aren't going to get tax cuts. And the rich are getting 4% tax cuts while the poor are getting two or 1% tax cuts. I hope he's a goddamn genius but I wouldn't hold your breath they're liars and thieves more likely...


The poor don't pay income taxes how can they get cuts?


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Nice theory, but people still file personal returns with non-entities (Schedule Cs) and even in the case of business, people can and do personally guarantee loans.

For very small businesses, the lender will require that the mortgagor be personally responsible. When I was president of a fairly large corporation, I signed a note and mortgage for some land we were purchasing. In it was an exculpatory clause which means I had no personal responsibility for the loan and the bank could only look to the property in the event of a default on the mortgage.

Do you believe everyone should be barred from using bankruptcy to get out from under a mortgage or loans when the economy turns or it just turns out to be a bad venture?
 

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