OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[Markle]

Most of the money goes to the same people that outsource and have the most.

Very little goes to the goddamn man that works really hard! That is reality.

When did someone get paid by the number of calories you burn?

 

[OKTexas]

So Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents?

Sure, every penny he got was inherited from his father! That is except for the part taken by the federal government and the state of NY. That is what you are claiming, and you would be WRONG!

I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!

Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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[francoHFW]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government fuck the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

What does somebody's minimum annual income have to be in order for you to consider them to be "rich"?

$50,000? $100,000? $500,000? $1,000,000?

The Democrats have been saying 250 for quite awhile where you been? Time to raise it so I suppose 300...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

where do you come up with this shit?
the rich are paying little, what does that mean numerically?do

Actually, the rich pay most of the government's expenses. In fact, the top 20% pay 95% of all taxes. And liberals want them to pay more? Ludicrous!

You are a total dupe, dupe.

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

where do you come up with this shit?
the rich are paying little, what does that mean numerically?do

Actually, the rich pay most of the government's expenses. In fact, the top 20% pay 95% of all taxes. And liberals want them to pay more? Ludicrous!

You are a total dupe of the line greedy Rich GOP...
The one tax graph you really need to know

nd, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justicekeeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income.


We already have basically a flat tax system, and the rich don't pay enough so their country and the middle class Fall Apart. For 30 years now. All they have is b******* propaganda for the dupes which seems to be enough....

Fake news...

The income tax system is far from flat, the top income earners pay a lot more in percentage. Just because your leftist pals are inept in basic math doesn't mean all of us are.

More dishonest leftist bullshit on display.

Is just federal state and local taxes that are actually taken... There is no debate about these figures. It's just that your propaganda ignores it.

 

[francoHFW]

So Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents?

Sure, every penny he got was inherited from his father! That is except for the part taken by the federal government and the state of NY. That is what you are claiming, and you would be WRONG!

I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!

Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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I just wish he wouldn't listen to Fox News all the time and believe it Alex Jones oh my God. Hopefully smarter than everybody but doesn't seem like it... Nobody could call him a great businessman really. But he knew his brand was great.

 

[bgrouse]

Here you go, dumbass!

It's post #50 of this thread.

That is incorrect and a lie. The fact you did not post a link proves you are tap dancing faster than Gregory Hines!

The link is the little arrow right next to "BGROUSE SAID:"

I clicked it and it took me straight to the post.

Where is the link to the source of your comment, not the damned post you illiterate imbecile?

I don't give a flying fuck what you said, because you are an unrepentant liar!

You asked for a link to my claim, not a link to the source supporting my claim, you stupid piece of shit!

Post a link to your claim.

The fact that you can't read or write correctly makes you illiterate, not me! As for the source, which you now requested, well, here's some of it. Trump talks about starting out with money from his dad:

OMG, you are GD retard! STFU and go to bed!

You just posted PROOF without any possible doubt that you LIED!

What a POS!

What makes it worse is that you are too stupid to realize that you just proved me right and that you are a mentally unbalanced individual who needs a keeper!

Alpha Mike Foxtrot, you douchebag!

Whatever you say, you stupid, illiterate piece of shit. I hope your childish outburst makes you feel better about the moron you are. That's what you're destined to be, a dumb old fool with an inheritance.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ah, the room IQ meter just spiked upward when I put that moron on "ignore".

 

[OKTexas]

If you mean I'm not an America hating liar then I agree.

I mean you're an idiot who has no understanding of economics.

Sure I do. Paying less taxes means I have more money. Are going to be ok after the 2018 rout of sorry lying liberals?

You and your friend are full of shit and can't point out where I lied.

Everything you have posted is a lie. Paying less tax means I have more money. You pretend it's not. You are a liar.

It will no doubt continue as it has... Your tiny tax cut will be more than made up for by higher state and local taxes which kills regular folks. So the rich can get their giant tax cut, Dupe. And our infrastructure and middle-class will continue to Fall Apart.

Sounds like the folks are voting for the wrong people at the State and local levels.


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[Markle]

I posed it already. See: Trump. Do you want a link to his bankruptcy?

Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy.

 

[francoHFW]

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

where do you come up with this shit?
the rich are paying little, what does that mean numerically?do

Actually, the rich pay most of the government's expenses. In fact, the top 20% pay 95% of all taxes. And liberals want them to pay more? Ludicrous!

You are a total dupe, dupe.

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying fucking nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

where do you come up with this shit?
the rich are paying little, what does that mean numerically?do

Actually, the rich pay most of the government's expenses. In fact, the top 20% pay 95% of all taxes. And liberals want them to pay more? Ludicrous!

You are a total dupe of the line greedy Rich GOP...
The one tax graph you really need to know

nd, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justicekeeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income.


We already have basically a flat tax system, and the rich don't pay enough so their country and the middle class Fall Apart. For 30 years now. All they have is b******* propaganda for the dupes which seems to be enough....

Fake news...

The income tax system is far from flat, the top income earners pay a lot more in percentage. Just because your leftist pals are inept in basic math doesn't mean all of us are.

More dishonest leftist bullshit on display.

On average everyone that makes any money gets taxed 24 to 29% that's pretty damn flat. And please notice the poorest pay 18% and fees would kill them Sheezus. Fees are out of sight

 

[bgrouse]

So Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents?

Sure, every penny he got was inherited from his father! That is except for the part taken by the federal government and the state of NY. That is what you are claiming, and you would be WRONG!

I said Trump got rich via inheritance / getting money from his parents.

Your delusions, on the other hand, are your delusions and your delusions alone.

That is a bald-faced lie, and you know it, or else you would not be arguing so hard to justify your lie!

Quit pussyfooting and dodging, you cowardly turd! Put up or shut up.

What's a lie?

Trump didn't inherit or otherwise receive any considerable amount of money from his parents? Is that what you're saying? This requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

Trump started his business long before his parents died. His father loaned him some seed money, he took it from there.


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We know how Trump ran his businesses. Get a loan, roll the dice. If he wins, he keeps the money and boasts about what a great businessman he is. If he loses, he tells the creditor to go fuck himself. Rinse and repeat. Of course none of this would have been probable without some initial capital (see: daddy). A poor 9-5 manual laborer doesn't just go into a credit union to come out with a $1 million unsecured loan.

 

[bgrouse]

I posed it already. See: Trump. Do you want a link to his bankruptcy?

Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy.

Petty semantics. He did it through his companies.

 

[francoHFW]

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Trump A.C. casino bankruptcy cost employees millions in retirement ...
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Oct 18, 2016 · The report cited a class-action lawsuit filed by employees against Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts after the company's 2004 bankruptcy. According to the ...
How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned ...
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Jun 11, 2016 · Just over a year after it opened, the Taj Mahal was in bankruptcy court, followed in 1992 by both the Plaza and the Castle. In the plan that was worked out, Mr ...

 

[OKTexas]

At one time I thought these people like Nat or Guno were just posting hogwash to fan flames? It appears some of these posters believe their spew? They may even be right on some issues? But you cannot be sure, buried in the Hate and attacks?

America, love it ir leave it........they used to say.

Right-wing s*** heads used to... And still do as if it's an argument. Dumbasses

Funny, you said the same in this thread, are you a right-wing shit head?

Go move to Somaliland.

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[dcbl]

You asked for a link to my claim, not a link to the source supporting my claim, you stupid piece of shit!

is that really the best you have?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And? If he hires his kid to work for him, I guess they should be exempt from employer taxes and income taxes, too?

No, because it's money exchanged for services. Yes, that exchange gets taxed because it is a sale. there is no sales in inheritances.

It's still income to the kid. The money changes hands and changes title. You're not even grasping at straws anymore. Now you're making bullshit rules up as you go along.

No, it is not income. Income is money that was gained through labor or investments for a profit.

Each kid would pay 33%. I don't see anything wrong with that. People pay taxes on their income all the time and that's money they actually worked for. Not sure what NK or Cuba has to do with it. Are you against taxation/government? The United States hasn't been an anarchy/without a government for a long time at least.

If they worked for the money, then it should be taxed. If money was just given to them, then it's a gift, and gifts between family members should not be taxed. Or do you think government should tax us on all the gifts we got for Christmas yesterday?

When you actually believe that government should get more of a family members money than the family themselves, yes, that is the mentality of governments like NK or Cuba. Government owns everything and what they allow you to keep is gift from them to you; government is more of a priority than family, and that's just not American in any way or form.

 

[francoHFW]

At one time I thought these people like Nat or Guno were just posting hogwash to fan flames? It appears some of these posters believe their spew? They may even be right on some issues? But you cannot be sure, buried in the Hate and attacks?

America, love it ir leave it........they used to say.

Right-wing s*** heads used to... And still do as if it's an argument. Dumbasses

Funny, you said the same in this thread, are you a right-wing shit head?

Go move to Somaliland.

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It's a very ugly thing to say to a fellow citizen. I was joking. Giveaways or tax cuts for the rich have not worked and they will not work this time either...

 

[Papageorgio]

You know hispanics only make up about 60% of illegals, right? The rest come from virtually every country in the world. Like I said there are no laws that specifically target hispanics, but feel free to continue your lies and I'll continue to laugh at you.


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Actually Hispanics are over 75% of illegals. And the only way to stop illegals coming in is a SSID card that can't be faked, and Republicans have blocked forever, Dupe.

You prove over and over that you're just not very smart. Anything created by man can be replicated by other men. And laws against illegals are NOT aimed specifically at hispanics, they are aimed at all illegals. The first lame link you posted was about muslims and the second was a State case having nothing to do with the feds and it was long before Trump.

Now, would you like to get back on topic, it's about tax cuts.


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I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.

The middle class got lots of tax savings coming up, that you been duped isn’t our issue. The standard deductions went up, tax credits for the middle class went up and the percentage taxed went down, hater.

I said it is ridiculous for the rich to get big tax cuts -none of that

It’s ridiculous that you lied about what grouse said but, you are a dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

I mean you're an idiot who has no understanding of economics.

Sure I do. Paying less taxes means I have more money. Are going to be ok after the 2018 rout of sorry lying liberals?

You and your friend are full of shit and can't point out where I lied.

Everything you have posted is a lie. Paying less tax means I have more money. You pretend it's not. You are a liar.

It will no doubt continue as it has... Your tiny tax cut will be more than made up for by higher state and local taxes which kills regular folks. So the rich can get their giant tax cut, Dupe. And our infrastructure and middle-class will continue to Fall Apart.

Sounds like the folks are voting for the wrong people at the State and local levels.


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I believe those state and local taxes would go up no matter which party they vote for. Because federal Aid has gone down to states and localities thanks to tax cutting fools LOL
I hope it works and Trump is a genius... For the good of the country unlike you Obama hating fools...

 

[francoHFW]

Actually Hispanics are over 75% of illegals. And the only way to stop illegals coming in is a SSID card that can't be faked, and Republicans have blocked forever, Dupe.

You prove over and over that you're just not very smart. Anything created by man can be replicated by other men. And laws against illegals are NOT aimed specifically at hispanics, they are aimed at all illegals. The first lame link you posted was about muslims and the second was a State case having nothing to do with the feds and it was long before Trump.

Now, would you like to get back on topic, it's about tax cuts.


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I don't care if they're Muslims or Mexicans or what. If they are worthy they can stay. Now pass the dam SS ID card and end it.

As for taxes, it's ridiculous to cut taxes on the rich again. The non rich need tax cuts and help. You dupes are out of your mind.

The middle class got lots of tax savings coming up, that you been duped isn’t our issue. The standard deductions went up, tax credits for the middle class went up and the percentage taxed went down, hater.

I said it is ridiculous for the rich to get big tax cuts -none of that

It’s ridiculous that you lied about what grouse said but, you are a dupe.

He never said all or none of any group. Some or many...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Great. Let's see it!

I posed it already. See: Trump. Do you want a link to his bankruptcy?

How does bankruptcy make him a deadbeat? Bankruptcies are common in business. If he was a deadbeat, he wouldn't have any bankruptcies because he just would have spent all the money he inherited.

Like a deadbeat dad who won't pay his child support, only worse. You know, a deadbeat. An idle or disreputable person. He has money, he just doesn't want to pay his debts.

Why should he use his personal money to repay debts acquired by one of his businesses? It's a perfectly legal strategy for companies or individuals who find themselves in financial trouble.

I never said it was always illegal to be a deadbeat. I just said he was a deadbeat. I consider not paying your debt when you have so much money to be a quality of a deadbeat. The fact that he may have used an entity to sign for the debt or used government-provided protection to help him avoid paying it doesn't change that.

Companies and owners are two separate entities. That's why people who have businesses incorporate.

You can't file bankruptcy unless you can prove you don't have the money to repay debts owed. It's a legal business strategy. Trump could personally have 10 billion dollars, but if one of his companies go under, it has no barring on him. His personal money is completely separate from his business money. If individuals were held responsible for the debts of their business, nobody would open up a business.