Ok, the IRS is on the ropes so now what?

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Outside of the obvious answer - the FairTax, now what? Perhaps both parties should look to address the unchecked power low level drones (LLDs) have in our lives.

Any ideas on how to do that?
 
The IRS is not on the ropes. At best there will be a greater oversight of the division. The midwest division in Columbus, Ohio might well transferred to the main offices in Washington, DC.

Income Tax Division, Columbus, Ohio

It seems that this event has a lot of life left.
 
Absolutely notthing willl be done about the tax system because of this event.

The IRS is not on the ropes because BOTH PARTIES need the IRS to pay their tools salaries.
 
You know who likes the IRS the most, ironically? The Rich. The IRS, whatever else it is, is symbolic of the complexity of the tax code.

The biggest single reason our tax code is complex is because it is filled with complex ways to avoid paying taxes. The Rich are those most able to use that complexity to that advantage.

Do you really think a guy like Mitt Romney for example who uses the complexity of the tax code to pay 13% or whatever on his millions in income wants to go to a simple flat rate that charges him 20%?
 
Absolutely notthing willl be done about the tax system because of this event.

The IRS is not on the ropes because BOTH PARTIES need the IRS to pay their tools salaries.

Correct. As far as it goes.

The IRS is another one of those regulatory agencies whose rules protect and defend corporate malfeasance.

Just as overspecific environmental law indemnifies corporations by allowing specific measures of momentary pollution instead of working back from aggregated damage, the IRS indemnifies bloodless corporations against penalties for tax evasion tactics natural born individuals have no hope of utilizing.
 
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Nothing of substance is going to happen to the IRS.

But now that we know that the agency can be used as a tool -- confirming the fears of those who don't trust the government, only to be called "nuts" -- we can all rest assured that those who want a more powerful, centralized, authoritarian government are getting exactly what they want.

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Nothing of substance is going to happen to the IRS.

But now that we know that the agency can be used as a tool -- confirming the fears of those who don't trust the government, only to be called "nuts" -- we can all rest assured that those who want a more powerful, centralized, authoritarian government are getting exactly what they want.

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Marc we've known that for a long time.

This is not the first time we've seen the IRS used as a bludgeon against unpopular causes.

I promise you it will not be the last time, either.

Power corrupts.
 
You know who likes the IRS the most, ironically? The Rich. The IRS, whatever else it is, is symbolic of the complexity of the tax code.

The biggest single reason our tax code is complex is because it is filled with complex ways to avoid paying taxes. The Rich are those most able to use that complexity to that advantage.

Do you really think a guy like Mitt Romney for example who uses the complexity of the tax code to pay 13% or whatever on his millions in income wants to go to a simple flat rate that charges him 20%?

Big Government and the American Bar Association and CPAs love the IRS, too. Be honest.
 
You know who likes the IRS the most, ironically? The Rich. The IRS, whatever else it is, is symbolic of the complexity of the tax code.

The biggest single reason our tax code is complex is because it is filled with complex ways to avoid paying taxes. The Rich are those most able to use that complexity to that advantage.

Do you really think a guy like Mitt Romney for example who uses the complexity of the tax code to pay 13% or whatever on his millions in income wants to go to a simple flat rate that charges him 20%?

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well holy shit, NY FINALLY gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO SHIT!!!!!!!!!

but dont be partisan (can liberals ever make a point without partisanship, on anything?) Obama payed the same percentage and he's rich as hell, btw what does Kerry and his wife pay?


So NY who supports the complex tax code?

Hint: not conservatives

so lets ditch the system and go to a national sales tax. easy fair, people keep all of their paycheck.
 
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Nothing of substance is going to happen to the IRS.

But now that we know that the agency can be used as a tool -- confirming the fears of those who don't trust the government, only to be called "nuts" -- we can all rest assured that those who want a more powerful, centralized, authoritarian government are getting exactly what they want.

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Indeed. Can't wait for them to 'enforce' Obamacare. The Dems knew then that they controlled the IRS.
 
This is a phony scandal no different than the ones about Shirley Sherrod and ACORN.

Here's a few facts that are not broadcasted by the media...
A Few Facts

Fact: The IRS is required to determine whether organizations applying for special tax status are "social welfare" groups or are instead engaged in political activity. Political groups cannot get the special tax status these groups were applying for.

Fact: Only one-third of the groups that were passed to specialists for a closer look were "conservative." Lots of other organizations were also checked, including progressive organizations.

Fact: No groups were audited or harassed or "targeted" or "singled out." This was about applications for special tax status being forwarded to specialists for a closer look to see if they were engaged in political activity that would disqualify them for the special tax status. This closer look is the kind of review all organization should get, but the IRS was swamped because of the flood of groups applying for a status that let them mask their donors, after Citizens United.

Fact: No groups were harmed. There were delays while the groups were checked to see if they should have special tax status. That's it. But the rules are that they are allowed to operate as if they had that status while they waited for official approval.

Fact: The only groups actually denied special tax status were progressive groups, not conservative groups. In 2011, during the period that "conservative groups were targeted" the New York Times carried the story, 3 Groups Denied Break by I.R.S. Are Named . The three groups? Drum roll ... "The I.R.S. denied tax exemption to the groups — Emerge Nevada, Emerge Maine and Emerge Massachusetts — because, the agency wrote in denial letters, they were set up specifically to cultivate Democratic candidates."

Fact: The IRS commissioner in charge at the IRS at the time this happened was appointed President George W. Bush.

Fact: According to the inspector general's report (p. 10) in the "majority of cases, we agreed that the applications submitted included indications of significant political campaign intervention."
Automatically acting like the IRS is guilty of singling out conservative groups, is just one big bullshit lie!
 
You know who likes the IRS the most, ironically? The Rich. The IRS, whatever else it is, is symbolic of the complexity of the tax code.

The biggest single reason our tax code is complex is because it is filled with complex ways to avoid paying taxes. The Rich are those most able to use that complexity to that advantage.

Do you really think a guy like Mitt Romney for example who uses the complexity of the tax code to pay 13% or whatever on his millions in income wants to go to a simple flat rate that charges him 20%?

Big Government and the American Bar Association and CPAs love the IRS, too. Be honest.

Then let's all be honest and acknowledge that the IRS isn't going anywhere, there won't be any revolutionary change to our tax system, and anyone who spends time going on and on about other tax systems, like national sales or the like, is wasting everyone's time.
 
Bring in the EPA

Another Obama scandal may be brewing at the EPA - Wry Heat

Obama scandals dominating the news about how the administration failed our Libyan delegation at Benghazi, about how the IRS targeted conservative groups, and about administration spying on the Associated Press, now have another contender.

It seems that the Environmental Protection Agency has been giving preferred treatment to environmental groups while denying similar treatment to watchdog groups.
 
Outside of the obvious answer - the FairTax, now what? Perhaps both parties should look to address the unchecked power low level drones (LLDs) have in our lives.

Any ideas on how to do that?

The IRS is not on the ropes.

What it is..is way underfunded and has been doing the bidding of corporations for far too long.

It's time to change tax laws to make them pay in the fair share and discourage them from moving jobs overseas.

That..and we can finally do away with fake 501c's by comporting the law and regulation.

It should be "exclusively for social welfare" not "primarily for social welfare".
 

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