Once again pointing out the elephant in the room

[Onyx]

So you're going to go out into the world with a machette and a handgun and exact revenge. Got it.

No, rather a professionally organized and trained military force would sweep out this whimsical band of marauders because they indiscriminately kill others. Their occupation makes them a hostile actor.

How does anyone else know you're not the criminal and they kill you?

You are demonstrating your uneducation.

There is no such thing as a criminal in anarchy. Just hostile and non-hostile actors.

How are you going to freaking find them?

Same way anyon other professionally organized force would.

With tracking skills, equipment, and technology.

You have no answers, you're just a poseur, just as I thought

And you are a funny guy chocked full of hyperbole, strawman, and deflection.

 

[kaz]

So you're going to go out into the world with a machette and a handgun and exact revenge. Got it.

No, rather a professionally organized and trained military force would sweep out this whimsical band of marauders because they indiscriminately kill others. Their occupation makes them a hostile actor.

How does anyone else know you're not the criminal and they kill you?

You are demonstrating your uneducation.

There is no such thing as a criminal in anarchy. Just hostile and non-hostile actors.

How are you going to freaking find them?

Same way anyon other professionally organized force would.

With tracking skills, equipment, and technology.

You have no answers, you're just a poseur, just as I thought

And you are a funny guy chocked full of hyperbole, strawman, and deflection.

You're a ridiculous little man, you can't even engage in an actual debate

 

[Onyx]

And you make love to a sociopolitical theory that in reality is unworkable.

False.

It has worked throughout history on numerous occasions. Thanks for demonstrating your uneducation though.

human interaction breeds both cooperation and conflict

Anarchism is not anti-interaction or anti-conflict.

Nice show of uneducation.

human nature (self preservation, ambition, aberration, etc) isn't accounted for in your perfect model.

Anarchism is not a model. It is the absence of systematic force and rulers.

Anarchy is the most human and peaceful reality.

In fact your model is a more rapid path to chaos and conflict.

On the contrary, the state is the ultimate producer of chaos and conflict.

Hundreds of millions are killed by the state. People do not riot over anarchy.

 

[healthmyths]

I'm not talking about an army. Say it was four guys. So, you get home, your family is dead. Your move. So?

That would fucking suck, but I am not sure what your point is.

Everything comes down to economics of force. Good guys vs bad guys, and for almost all of history the bad guys have been winning.

Wait a minute!! Bad guys winning? That makes NO SENSE!
If the "bad guys" were winning... how are we communicating right now? Bad guys wouldn't want that!
Bad guys wouldn't want health care. Bad guys wouldn't want banks. Bad guys for SURE don't want laws which is the total fabric that creates "civilized" societies.
There is yet to be a "Bad Guy" society that exists EVERY WHERE in the world. In other words there are MORE good guys following the "good commandments" then
bad guys. So how then could the "bad guys" have been winning? Makes NO SENSE.
Bad guys are destructive...not constructive!

 

[Iceweasel]

The economics of force were not on their side. An army of 100,000 had no chance against a half dozen armies with several million troops combined between them.

So he was stupid. Thanks.

How was he stupid?

I respect him for fighting. The black army lasted three years and made a lasting impact. You still have people today telling the stories of the infamous Calvary riding into battle hoisting banners saying "Liberty or death!" and "Freedom for the working man!"

The Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine actually led had a direct influence on the CNT anarchist rebellion in Catalonia. Every revolution emboldens the movement and the spirit of the struggle.

So how long did those anarchists last? One failed effort spawned another?

 

[Onyx]

You're a ridiculous little man, you can't even engage in an actual debate

Deflection.

I wrote 10 or so sentences and this is what you respond with?

 

[kaz]

You're a ridiculous little man, you can't even engage in an actual debate

Deflection.

I wrote 10 or so sentences and this is what you respond with?

Yes, you're a waste of time. You're not seriously addressing my questions. Obviously since you can't address questions, you're vacuous and disingenuous. Here's your strategy:

Onyx:: Yes it is
Onyx: No it isn't
Onyx: No it isn't
Onyx: Yes it is ...

 

[Iceweasel]

Anarchy is the most human and peaceful reality.

Where's your examples except for a couple of failed rebellions? Rebellions are peaceful?

 

[Ringel05]

And you make love to a sociopolitical theory that in reality is unworkable.

False.

It has worked throughout history on numerous occasions. Thanks for demonstrating your uneducation though.

human interaction breeds both cooperation and conflict

Anarchism is not anti-interaction or anti-conflict.

Nice show of uneducation.

human nature (self preservation, ambition, aberration, etc) isn't accounted for in your perfect model.

Anarchism is not a model. It is the absence of systematic force and rulers.

Anarchy is the most human and peaceful reality.

In fact your model is a more rapid path to chaos and conflict.

On the contrary, the state is the ultimate producer of chaos and conflict.

Hundreds of millions are killed by the state. People do not riot over anarchy.

It has? Show proof.
People are the ultimate producer of chaos and conflict. Nice try though.......

 

[Onyx]

Wait a minute!! Bad guys winning? That makes NO SENSE!
If the "bad guys" were winning... how are we communicating right now? Bad guys wouldn't want that!

Uh... yeah that would.

It is all apart of a greater design.

Bad guys wouldn't want health care.

Actually they do. Healthcare is a tool for the working class.

Are you educated on the corporate lobbying behind universal healthcare and even government regulated insurance pricing?

Bad guys wouldn't want banks.

Seriously?

The bad guys own the banks

Bad guys for SURE don't want laws which is the total fabric that creates "civilized" societies.

Damn right they do. The laws were written by the bad guys to serve the bad guys.

Modern society is anything but civilized. We are the most inhuman in all of history.

There is yet to be a "Bad Guy" society that exists EVERY WHERE in the world. In other words there are MORE good guys following the "good commandments" then

Nope.

So how then could the "bad guys" have been winning? Makes NO SENSE.
Bad guys are destructive...not constructive!

The bad guys, IE, the ruling class, control the states.

They have all the power and all the money. The current system grants them that.

 

[Ringel05]

So you're going to go out into the world with a machette and a handgun and exact revenge. Got it.

No, rather a professionally organized and trained military force would sweep out this whimsical band of marauders because they indiscriminately kill others. Their occupation makes them a hostile actor.

How does anyone else know you're not the criminal and they kill you?

You are demonstrating your uneducation.

There is no such thing as a criminal in anarchy. Just hostile and non-hostile actors.

How are you going to freaking find them?

Same way anyon other professionally organized force would.

With tracking skills, equipment, and technology.

You have no answers, you're just a poseur, just as I thought

And you are a funny guy chocked full of hyperbole, strawman, and deflection.

You're a ridiculous little man, you can't even engage in an actual debate

Ideologues never can........

 

[Onyx]

It has? Show proof.

Modern examples? Ukraine, Catalonia, and to a lesser extent Chiapas and Rojava.

People are the ultimate producer of chaos and conflict. Nice try though.......

Only insomuch as a gun kills people.

We are taught chaos and conflict, and the teachers name is the state.

 

[Onyx]

Where's your examples except for a couple of failed rebellions? Rebellions are peaceful?

Peace can only be won through war.

An undesirable peace is no peace at all. You have to fight for a peaceful society.

 

[Onyx]

So how long did those anarchists last? One failed effort spawned another?

Now there are more anarchists today than there were back them.

Notice the close synthesis between anarchists, extreme libertarians, conservatives that are distrustful of the government, and liberals which hate the police and military industrial complex?

The anarchist movement is stronger than ever. Everyday we recruit from both the right and left.

 

[Ringel05]

It has? Show proof.

Modern examples? Ukraine, Catalonia, and to a lesser extent Chiapas and Rojava.

People are the ultimate producer of chaos and conflict. Nice try though.......

Only insomuch as a gun kills people.

We are taught chaos and conflict, and the teachers name is the state.

And your examples lasted how long.........
Thanks for making my point!!!!

 

[Ringel05]

Where's your examples except for a couple of failed rebellions? Rebellions are peaceful?

Peace can only be won through war.

An undesirable peace is no peace at all. You have to fight for a peaceful society.

And all peaceful societies are temporary as history has proven. Again human nature raises it's ugly head.

 

[Onyx]

And and your examples lasted how long.........
Thanks for making my point!!!!

Well Chiapas and Rojava are still going, and they are extreme libertarian and organized around classical anarchist principals.

Many anarchaic civilizations (without rulers) lasted longer than the Roman Empire. Thanks for making MY point.

 

[Ringel05]

And and your examples lasted how long.........
Thanks for making my point!!!!

Well Chiapas and Rojava are still going, and they are extreme libertarian and organized around classical anarchist principals.

Many anarchaic civilizations (without rulers) lasted longer than the Roman Empire. Thanks for making MY point.

Prove it.

 

[Onyx]

And all peaceful societies are temporary as history has proven. Again human nature raises it's ugly head.

All states are temporary throughout history. The longest lasting state was 500 years, which is still a third as long lasting as some of the longest lived anarchist societies.

Most states have a shelf life of 10-40 years before changing their constitution or overthrowing their ruler.

 

[Onyx]

Prove it.

Educate yourself. I am not playing the impossible burden of proof game.