Once again pointing out the elephant in the room

[Rustic]

How can you justify all the great things you maintain government does when the fundamental means of support and funding include violence and theft? The means need to justify the ends, and violence and theft are an evil means to an evil end.

There is no difference between a state and a street gang. There is no difference when the mafia extorts money for protection and stations two goons at your place of business, and when the government extorts money for protection and puts a police department on your block.

It always comes down to the social contract argument. That one bullshit theory that statists hinge the moral legitimacy of the state on. No matter how many times I point out the fallacies and the errors, you tools will clinch on to your beloved social contract.

Daily addition to the wall of wisdom...

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

Says the control freak

 

[Ringel05]

And all peaceful societies are temporary as history has proven. Again human nature raises it's ugly head.

All states are temporary throughout history. The longest lasting state was 500 years, which is still a third as long lasting as some of the longest lived anarchist societies.

Most states have a shelf life of 10-40 years before changing their constitution or overthrowing their ruler.

Again prove it, anarchist societies that aren't small or limited in scope but on a massive national scale.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

I STRONGLY urge you to test that, Guno. Withdraw both your consent and your taxes, then report back to us the result?

 

[Timmy]

My Dad was a volunteer fireman in my hometown for 20 years joining other responsible citizens!

That's great.

The future of humanity comes when we start doing good things for each other without the expectation of reward or the usage of violence.

They ain't really "volunteers ". The get paid . They also go through a bunch of training and use all kinds of equipment. Paid for by taxes .

 

[Ringel05]

Prove it.

Educate yourself. I am not playing the impossible burden of proof game.

You made the claim you back it up, that's the way it works, basically put up or shut up.

 

[Rustic]

Guess it bears repeating over and over and over again, almost all government/economic systems are wonderful in theory but severely lacking in practical application. Where the theorists always fail is they always replace the true human equation with the idealized human equation based on the theory that humankind is inherently good and can ultimately work together for the common good. This has been proven throughout history to be false.

Ha, ours has always run upon the premise that the substantial people, initially titled land holding white males, were the idealized humans who were entitled to keep the lower form of humans in check at all costs.

Bed wetter

 

[Onyx]

Again prove it, anarchist societies that aren't small or limited in scope but on a massive national scale.

I already gave you four modern examples.

The ancient and medieval examples should be obvious. Not every group of people had an emperor, a king, of even a chief.

 

[Onyx]

You made the claim you back it up, that's the way it works, basically put up or shut up.

I do not play the impossible burden of proof game on the internet. Proof on the internet is a link war.

If you do not like it, then take your whining somewhere else.

 

[bendog]

How can you justify all the great things you maintain government does when the fundamental means of support and funding include violence and theft? The means need to justify the ends, and violence and theft are an evil means to an evil end.

There is no difference between a state and a street gang. There is no difference when the mafia extorts money for protection and stations two goons at your place of business, and when the government extorts money for protection and puts a police department on your block.

It always comes down to the social contract argument. That one bullshit theory that statists hinge the moral legitimacy of the state on. No matter how many times I point out the fallacies and the errors, you tools will clinch on to your beloved social contract.

Daily addition to the wall of wisdom...

You remain free to opt out of the Founders' social contract. That was JFK's point vis a vis the Soviet Union.

 

[Rustic]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent. Your contention is built on a false assertion, and thus collapses.

*eagerly awaits run off into the woods argument*

Problem is americans want all the stuff they don't want to pay for.

It's called Socialism. Dip shit
Lol

 

[Onyx]

They ain't really "volunteers ". The get paid . They also go through a bunch of training and use all kinds of equipment. Paid for by taxes .

Yeah, not a fan of that.

If something could be organized along the same principals with voluntary funding methods, then that would be excellent.

 

[Rustic]

One of the legitimate functions of a constitutional republic is taxation.

Get over that simple fact, freeks.

Taxation without representation legitimate? Control freak

 

[Iceweasel]

So how long did those anarchists last? One failed effort spawned another?

Now there are more anarchists today than there were back them.

Notice the close synthesis between anarchists, extreme libertarians, conservatives that are distrustful of the government, and liberals which hate the police and military industrial complex.

The anarchist movement is stronger than ever. Everyday we recruit from the right and left.

There aren't any anarchists here. Can speak about the whole world but if you live here you are living in a capitalist system over managed by a bloated government and moving towards socialism.

Distrusting big government doesn't mean conservatives want no government.

 

[Onyx]

You remain free to opt out of the Founders' social contract.

There is no such thing as a social contract, and if there was, it certainly could not be created or owned by man.

 

[Onyx]

Distrusting big government doesn't mean conservatives want no government.

Never said they did.

My point is that as hatred and distrust against the state grows, so does our collective consciousness. Anyone that dislikes the government even a little is a natural ally of the anarchist.

There aren't any anarchists here.

I met five on this site, but I doubt the sincerity of three of them.

 

[Rustic]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent. Your contention is built on a false assertion, and thus collapses.

*eagerly awaits run off into the woods argument*

Problem is americans want all the stuff they don't want to pay for.

Yep. I've said it a hundred times if I have said it once. If you want to know who is to blame for the massive debt, look in the mirror.

Socialism, the vast majority of this country's debt is due to it

 

[Fenton Lum]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent. Your contention is built on a false assertion, and thus collapses.

*eagerly awaits run off into the woods argument*

Problem is americans want all the stuff they don't want to pay for.

It's called Socialism. Dip shit
Lol

We don't call it that here, and it's just for the susbstantial people.

 

[bendog]

You remain free to opt out of the Founders' social contract.

There is no such thing as a social contract, and if there was, it certainly could not be created or owned by man.

The founders created taxation with representation. You do have an option available to you. Actually several, but only one doesn't land you in jail

 

[Ringel05]

Again prove it, anarchist societies that aren't small or limited in scope but on a massive national scale.

I already gave you four modern examples.

The ancient and medieval examples should be obvious. Not every group of people had an emperor, a king, of even a chief.

Again small enclaves not massive application and what happened to them? They were absorbed or destroyed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One of the legitimate functions of a constitutional republic is taxation.

Get over that simple fact, freeks.

Taxation without representation legitimate? Control freak

You are not represented. Then you do not live in the USA.