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[The Rabbi]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Tell me, what is the "gay agenda"

To "normalize" homosexuality so that it appears to be merely a choice instead of the illness it is.

 

[The Rabbi]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, exactly what I said. If the Supreme Court had ruled the other way would it then not be a theocracy? NO, you would be spouting the exact same nonsense.

Eh no, if the supreme court had ruled the other way and used the bible as argumentation then you would have a theocracy.

But don't worry about it, gay marriage is legal and you don't live in a theocracy. That's all you need to know.

So in other it doesn't matter what way the Supreme court rules: If local governments aren't required to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, then you have a theocracy.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[occupied]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

 

[The Rabbi]

In other words, exactly what I said. If the Supreme Court had ruled the other way would it then not be a theocracy? NO, you would be spouting the exact same nonsense.

Eh no, if the supreme court had ruled the other way and used the bible as argumentation then you would have a theocracy.

But don't worry about it, gay marriage is legal and you don't live in a theocracy. That's all you need to know.

So in other it doesn't matter what way the Supreme court rules: If local governments aren't required to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, then you have a theocracy.

Thanks for proving my point.

Old Supreme Court opinions frequently quoted the Bible as a supporting argument. I guess we had a theocracy and just missed it.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Tell me, what is the "gay agenda"

It's an evil plot to destroy "traditional" marriage and take away the religious, 1st amendment, freedom of true christians to discriminate at will. Also to indoctrinate children into thinking it's not bad to be attracted to the same sex. Since gay people can't have children like god intented they have to recruit the little ones into their sect to keep their number up.

And now it's succeeding, you're all doomed and destined to go to hell. The only thing that can save you is people like Davis who recognize the threat and are willing to take a stand.

 

[The Rabbi]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

Nazis were Progressives. Get it right.
No, I am spot on. It isnt an argument, dunce. It's a comparison.
The Left is filled with intolerant bigots seeking to force their opinions on others.

 

[bripat9643]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

The actual Nazis were all socialists - leftwingers, in other words.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Tell me, what is the "gay agenda"

To "normalize" homosexuality so that it appears to be merely a choice instead of the illness it is.

The docs don't think it's an illness so why do you? Oh right, you got from some only Jews who thought touching menstrual blood made one unclean before God, the same God who invented the vagina, and the period...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

The actual Nazis were all socialists - leftwingers, in other words.

No, dumbass, they were fascists, like their friends the Japanese and Italians. They hated the left-wingers about as much as you do, only they actually understood them and didn't just endless repeat dogma like you...

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Science is obviously a foreign word to you cultists. It's a good thing you religious loonies are a minority or else you would end up just like Saudi Arabia or Iran.

 

[occupied]

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

Nazis were Progressives. Get it right.
No, I am spot on. It isnt an argument, dunce. It's a comparison.
The Left is filled with intolerant bigots seeking to force their opinions on others.

Hmmm, so what then is the Christian right who says very clearly the myriad "sinful" things they would ban outright if they could? Only they could see an expansion of freedom as a threat.

 

[David_42]

Finally logic is introduced by an openly gay man....

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Tell me, what is the "gay agenda"

To "normalize" homosexuality so that it appears to be merely a choice instead of the illness it is.

Wow, truly a batshit bigot.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In other words, exactly what I said. If the Supreme Court had ruled the other way would it then not be a theocracy? NO, you would be spouting the exact same nonsense.

Eh no, if the supreme court had ruled the other way and used the bible as argumentation then you would have a theocracy.

But don't worry about it, gay marriage is legal and you don't live in a theocracy. That's all you need to know.

Oh, we do live in a Theocracy. The Left has imposed a Secular State Religion, and forms mobs to destroy Infidels.

That's the world you have wrought.

It's a liberal, secular nation, by law. Deal with it...

 

[NYcarbineer]

They aren't sore winners they aren't winners at all. What the gay mafia wanted was for Davis to violate her beliefs and apologize for having them. Until that happens they lose.

They are attempting to make Christianity illegal. They seek to force ppl to renounce their faith, participate in sacrilege, and be imprisoned if they don't. Pigs hate Christianity. Liberty and godliness pose a huge threat to depraved criminals. Just ask nazis and Marxists.

In fairness it seems to me that what the gays want in this issue is a marriage license.

I don't really see it being push to destroy Christianity.

BUT, that leaves the question of whether or not a person can be forced to go against their religious beliefs.

this whole issue should have been left up to the states. The SCOTUS has not right under the COTUS to make law, which clearly they have been doing for some time. There role, as I understand, is to rule on the consittutionality of law, not change the law to fit their opinion. Not to create laws out of sail cloth where no law exist.

Clearly when the court has made law they have made law badly. This is no different. Their ruling in gay marriage was a social statement it was not a ruling on the fact of law.

But it is what we have and until someone can change the COTUS to make this a states issue we are stuck with the decision.

The gays in question could have been married by anyone else. The insistence that people be removed from office and imprisoned for refusing to endorse the homo lobby is absolutely verification of their agenda, which includes closing churches and imprisoning Christians. They make no bones about it. Don't make the mistake of softsoaping and refusing to acknowledge the repeatedly stated purpose of pigs.

She's in jail for violating a court order, that's all. The so-called war on Christianity is a myth that empowers many of you to fight a battle you started losing the minute that the "moral majority" decided to put politics ahead of faith.

Don't correct me, fascist. I'm able to correctly analyze things regardless of your anti American, Christian hating nazi rhetoric. My sincerest thanks to God is that scum like you get what you are due.

Do the Presbyterians hate you? Their church has blessed same sex marriage.

 

[bripat9643]

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

The actual Nazis were all socialists - leftwingers, in other words.

No, dumbass, they were fascists, like their friends the Japanese and Italians. They hated the left-wingers about as much as you do, only they actually understood them and didn't just endless repeat dogma like you...

Fascism is a form of socialism. End of story.

They also didn't hate "left-wingers." They simply competed with them for power.

 

[David_42]

You Taliban wannabees can cite all the the "logic" you want but gay marriage is still legal and loony christian clerks won't be able to turn the country into a theocracy.

The "Taliban" here appear to be the gay activists who want to smash any opposition to their gay agenda.

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

The actual Nazis were all socialists - leftwingers, in other words.

Oh, you're one of those people.. Hitler was a fascist and Calling the nazis socialist is like calling the DPRK democratic.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't correct me, fascist. I'm able to correctly analyze things regardless of your anti American, Christian hating nazi rhetoric. My sincerest thanks to God is that scum like you get what you are due.

Oh my, God's love is just flowing from you like the Jordan river this morning.Why would anyone want to join a club that would have someone like you for a member? All this anger from the right has done more to drive people away from Christianity than any other single factor.

Don't worry about it, fascist. That's not your problem.

You are correct in that at least. I am glad that the social conservatives are starting to lose their narrow-minded moralistic death grip on social policy in this country.

If that was true you wouldn't be so hysterical, fascist.

It is true, you see it as a "War on Jesus" when it is really just popular opinion turning against your sick, sad cult of wrath. Remember wrath? It's one of the 7 deadly sins but you people see it as a virtue, a clear perversion of Christ's message.

You see it through the filter of the hateful damned, and as long as that's true, nothing you say matters. Your whole purpose is evil, and we are to discount and eliminate you when necessary. I'll pray you come to Christ by then, but until then meh.

 

[David_42]

Just a reminder: The Taliban are a religious group that seeks to impose their narrow scriptural form of morality on secular society, the only difference between their social restrictions and those the christian right want is only a matter of degree.

Hmm, leftists are a religious group.
Global warming? Yup it's a religion.
Gay rights? Yup it's a religion.
Other issues as well. They have a dogmatic belief that is not shaken by facts, a system of sin and redemption (carbon credits), an intolerance of dissent.
Yes, the Left are the Taliban of America.

Pretty weak argument there, even your frequent and faulty argument that the left are the Nazis of America (in spite of all the actual Nazis being rightists) has more merit.

The actual Nazis were all socialists - leftwingers, in other words.

No, dumbass, they were fascists, like their friends the Japanese and Italians. They hated the left-wingers about as much as you do, only they actually understood them and didn't just endless repeat dogma like you...

Fascism is a form of socialism. End of story.

They also didn't hate "left-wingers." They simply competed with them for power.

LOL. It's why hitler invaded the Soviet Union and killed millions, why communists/actual socialists were put down..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Our system must be more zealous about protecting civil rights than social conservatives are about violating them.

Our system must be more zealous about protecting civil rights

By ignoring hers?

She doesn't have any in this case, at least not in the manner you think she does.

You got it right!

If all she did was refuse to issue marriage licenses to gays, there shouldn't have been a problem. She could have advised others in her office that her faith prevented her from issuing licenses to gays and then asked them to help her by filling in for her when she needed them. When a gay couple came in, she could have discreetly absented herself and allowed another person to issue the license.

Had she done this, she could have asserted her right to “reasonable accommodations” of her religious beliefs. Issuing licenses to gays would consume an insignificant amount of her work schedule. Her county has a population of around 23,000. Many of these are children and only about 5% of the adult population is gay. I don't know what the marriage rate is for gays but I do know that not all gays want to get married. I doubt that even 100 gay couples would apply for marriage licenses each year so having another person perform this task would not be an undue burden. Further, as the supervisor in her office she had the right to assign job duties to her employees. Although gay couples had the right to obtain a marriage license, they had no right to have a specific employee provide this service.

The problem is that she wouldn't allow anyone in her office to issue the license and this makes “reasonable accommodations” impossible. The judge did the only thing he could possibly do. His job was to enforce the law and the law said that the Clerk's Office would issue marriage licenses. The law also gives gays the same rights to marry as heterosexual couples. The judge wisely refused to let her off with a fine. The judge knew the fine would not change her behavior because she would probably not pay the fine herself and would most likely profit by the affair.

For the record, I spent a good part of my life defending employees against disciplinary actions and enforcing their rights, including “reasonable accommodations” for various conditions including handicaps and religious beliefs. I know what “reasonable accommodations” are and they do not include forcing a government agency to cease performing a statutory duty. Anyone who thinks that forcing gay couples to drive to another county to get a marriage license is a “reasonable accommodation” does not know the law.

There is no way in hell she is going to prevail in this matter. Not only are her actions illegal but if she were allowed allowed to continue her obviously illegal discriminatory practice she could literally bankrupt her county. There will be inevitable lawsuits for which there is no imaginable defense. I wouldn't be surprised if the gay lobby targeted the county for the purpose of filing such lawsuits.

There is no way in hell she is going to prevail in this matter which is a good thing. If she were allowed allowed to continue her obviously discriminatory practice she could literally bankrupt her county. There will be inevitable lawsuits for which there is no imaginable defense. I wouldn't be surprised if the gay lobby targeted the county for the purpose of filing such lawsuits.

To all her supporters: I challenge every one of you to show his/her true faith. She elects do disobey the law to keep her faith. I would respect her a lot more if sheI kept the law and sacrificed her job to maintain true to her beliefs. If she resigns her position I will send her a check for $1,000. No joke. How about you?

I was under the impression that she, just like the multiple other Christians who have been targeted for destruction by the homo lobby, did try to be fairly discreet and accommodating. She has not said nor advocated a single hateful thing. She has stated zero agenda, other than she believes that her endorsement of homo union is a parody of the sacrament of marriage. Sacrilege. This is the push back the idiots get for their attempt to legislate matters of faith.

There is not a single sentence in the Bible that condemns same sex civil marriage, let alone the signing of a same sex marriage document. Neither God of the Old Testament or Christ of New says a word about it.

I only post this repeatedly with the hope that some expert Christian conservative out there will prove me wrong.

It appears this won't be the last time I post it.