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He showed a certificate of live birth, not a birth certificate, two seperate documents.
Like I said...what the definition of is is.We all know he was born as the certificate of birth would say, but the actual birth certificate itself would document when and where,
which he has spent millions in lawyer fees blocking, now why would he do that?
That's a flat out lie. 
Cafe, I agree that each POTUS deals with something in the neighborhood of the birther issue, however they all have their own unique set of circumstances and attract a certain segment of the population.
Calling the birfer movement racial is not ignoring history, in my view. I call the birfer movement racist because of the nature of the conspiracy and the rhetoric coming from the birfers. Can you honestly read the crap that gets said here and say that there isn't a strong racist streak among them?
Are you or are you not a US citizen if one or more of your parents currently a US citizen?
Was Obama's mother not a US citizen at the time of his birth or no?
Doesn't matter if he was born in Australia, Kalamazoo, Tunisia, Morocco or Great Britain...he's a citizen AUTOMATICALLY simply by being born to one.
You dumb, ignorant, radical, Far RW, mostly racist S.O.B.'s...you're not fooling anyone with your nonsense.
Arizona, I'm talking to you!
Please, show us a quote of Obama saying that he is white.Are you or are you not a US citizen if one or more of your parents currently a US citizen?
Was Obama's mother not a US citizen at the time of his birth or no?
Doesn't matter if he was born in Australia, Kalamazoo, Tunisia, Morocco or Great Britain...he's a citizen AUTOMATICALLY simply by being born to one.
You dumb, ignorant, radical, Far RW, mostly racist S.O.B.'s...you're not fooling anyone with your nonsense.
Arizona, I'm talking to you!
The issue is the BC says he is white.
Please, show us a quote of Obama saying that he is white.Are you or are you not a US citizen if one or more of your parents currently a US citizen?
Was Obama's mother not a US citizen at the time of his birth or no?
Doesn't matter if he was born in Australia, Kalamazoo, Tunisia, Morocco or Great Britain...he's a citizen AUTOMATICALLY simply by being born to one.
You dumb, ignorant, radical, Far RW, mostly racist S.O.B.'s...you're not fooling anyone with your nonsense.
Arizona, I'm talking to you!
The issue is the BC says he is white.
CaféAuLait;3549928 said:Cafe, I agree that each POTUS deals with something in the neighborhood of the birther issue, however they all have their own unique set of circumstances and attract a certain segment of the population.
Calling the birfer movement racial is not ignoring history, in my view. I call the birfer movement racist because of the nature of the conspiracy and the rhetoric coming from the birfers. Can you honestly read the crap that gets said here and say that there isn't a strong racist streak among them?
If in calling it racist you call all the democrats (which were many at the time) who supported this crap when Hillary Clinton ran with the birther issue and the Muslim issue, racists, then so be it.
I do not believe that she started the birther issue with racism in mind, or the Muslim issue with such in mind. She and those that supported her believed that fear of his being associated with terrorists would buy her points. Could such be racist, yes. She played on Americas fear of terrorism and any possible connections with such. It has since amassed a following that is on par with all the other presidential conspiracies.
Adding I think that some of the MSM has made it worse. I say this because people are naturally curious. And it seems that some left wing papers nagged and nagged Bush over his National Guard records, and school records. One went as far to produce a story based on false records for Bush to degenerate him (CBS, Dan Rather)
Now we have those people who look to the MSM for the same demands they made of Bush when they do not see such they think something is amiss and automatically assume things are being hidden from them. (Why would his own party say such if it were not true, they think.) It is human nature to question and people are doing so because they perceive a lopsideness if you will with some media outlets. And when they do not see it happening they assume the worst. They MUST be hiding something is what is in their minds IMO.
This entire thing has snowballed into what it is today and it is taking on a life of its own. As I said above I cant say there are not racists in this groupall groups will have them. But I do not think that racists define Birthers. I think that the usual conspiracy theorists have gained momentum and it is following the same course which has beset past presidents.
Anyone could have submitted that birth announcement, his grand mother more likely. Anyone can generate a newspaper article.
Anyone can place an announcement in the classified section, however that's not there it appeard.
If you look at the heading of the column is shows the information was placed by the Health Bureau. So unless Obama's grandmothers name was "Health Bureau" and she provided the statistics on a variety of people, then it wasn't an individual placement.
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Anyone could have submitted that birth announcement, his grand mother more likely. Anyone can generate a newspaper article.
Anyone can place an announcement in the classified section, however that's not there it appeard.
If you look at the heading of the column is shows the information was placed by the Health Bureau. So unless Obama's grandmothers name was "Health Bureau" and she provided the statistics on a variety of people, then it wasn't an individual placement.
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The state of hawaii will not release private information the address of residency is private information. A family member or the obama 's would have done that.
Remember that LTC Terrence Lakin is in PRISON now because Obongo wouldn't release his BC.
Anyone can place an announcement in the classified section, however that's not there it appeard.
If you look at the heading of the column is shows the information was placed by the Health Bureau. So unless Obama's grandmothers name was "Health Bureau" and she provided the statistics on a variety of people, then it wasn't an individual placement.
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The state of hawaii will not release private information the address of residency is private information. A family member or the obama 's would have done that.
That fact that for years before Obama came on the scene, that the Revised Statutes of Hawaii do not allow for release of personal records is irrelevant to the point made.
You said "Anyone could have submitted that birth announcement,". Your statement is false.
1. If Obama's grandmother had placed the announcement it would have been in the classified (or similarly titled) section.
2. It would not be listed under the heading of ""Health Bureau" Vital Statistics.
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It would not be listed under the heading of ""Health Bureau" Vital Statistics
That fact that for years before Obama came on the scene, that the Revised Statutes of Hawaii do not allow for release of personal records is irrelevant to the point made.
The state of hawaii will not release private information the address of residency is private information. A family member or the obama 's would have done that.
That fact that for years before Obama came on the scene, that the Revised Statutes of Hawaii do not allow for release of personal records is irrelevant to the point made.
You said "Anyone could have submitted that birth announcement,". Your statement is false.
1. If Obama's grandmother had placed the announcement it would have been in the classified (or similarly titled) section.
2. It would not be listed under the heading of ""Health Bureau" Vital Statistics.
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It would not be listed under the heading of ""Health Bureau" Vital Statistics
Yes it would, It just the title of the section. Hawaii would not release private information and a address of private residency is just about as private as you can get.
Do you have the A proof of this clipping?
That fact that for years before Obama came on the scene, that the Revised Statutes of Hawaii do not allow for release of personal records is irrelevant to the point made.
In other words you're taking your toys home because I not playing by your rules? Got it.
The clipping is a fraud unless you have A proof OF THE ORIGINAL, because anyone can generate a newspaper article from any year they choose.
The clipping is a fraud unless you have A proof OF THE ORIGINAL, because anyone can generate a newspaper article from any year they choose.
We know our current devil well enough to know that just about any other devil would be preferable.If obama hasn't proven to you so far that he is not good enough to be President, you're living on the wrong planet or just not paying attention.
Bush proved to most people early on that he wasn't good enough to be President. But he got re-elected anyway. Why? Not like we had a great alternative. May as well take the devil you know over the devil you don't.
It does not matter what we think, it matters what the SCOTUS rulings say. Did you read them?The SCOTUS has held that we all meet the definition of NBS if one of our parents does. Even if, like me, we were born on Mars.
Um, I don't think that's entirely accurate. Federal statute establishes natural born citizenship for children born outside of the US to citizen parents.
Cafe, I agree that each POTUS deals with something in the neighborhood of the birther issue, however they all have their own unique set of circumstances and attract a certain segment of the population.
Calling the birfer movement racial is not ignoring history, in my view. I call the birfer movement racist because of the nature of the conspiracy and the rhetoric coming from the birfers. Can you honestly read the crap that gets said here and say that there isn't a strong racist streak among them?
It does not matter what we think, it matters what the SCOTUS rulings say. Did you read them?The SCOTUS has held that we all meet the definition of NBS if one of our parents does. Even if, like me, we were born on Mars.
Um, I don't think that's entirely accurate. Federal statute establishes natural born citizenship for children born outside of the US to citizen parents.
That fact that for years before Obama came on the scene, that the Revised Statutes of Hawaii do not allow for release of personal records is irrelevant to the point made.
You said "Anyone could have submitted that birth announcement,". Your statement is false.
1. If Obama's grandmother had placed the announcement it would have been in the classified (or similarly titled) section.
2. It would not be listed under the heading of ""Health Bureau" Vital Statistics.
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Yes it would, It just the title of the section. Hawaii would not release private information and a address of private residency is just about as private as you can get.
Do you have the A proof of this clipping?
In other words you're taking your toys home because I not playing by your rules? Got it.
In other words, "Oh someone posted the actual full section and I was caught making stuff up, again. So I better deflect.
The clipping is a fraud unless you have A proof OF THE ORIGINAL, because anyone can generate a newspaper article from any year they choose.
Really? Site the section of the law in effect at the time that prevented the Health Bureau from making these newspaper announcements. We know that Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18 (which was in effect prior to the 2008 election) prevents the release of birth records now, now it's your turn to support your claim that there was a law in 1961 which prevented them from placing birth announcements in the newspaper.
The clipping is a fraud unless you have A proof OF THE ORIGINAL, because anyone can generate a newspaper article from any year they choose.
And yet we've all seen you post a alleged, long form birth certificate from a non-reputable source and claim it is a fact. Yet anyone can generate a long form any time they choose.
There is a word for people that live by "Do as I say, not as I do." Hmmmm right there on the tip of my tongue - oh well I'll remember it in a little while.
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Really? Site the section of the law in effect at the time that prevented the Health Bureau from making these newspaper announcements. We know that Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18 (which was in effect prior to the 2008 election) prevents the release of birth records now, now it's your turn to support your claim that there was a law in 1961 which prevented them from placing birth announcements in the newspaper.
And yet we've all seen you post a alleged, long form birth certificate from a non-reputable source and claim it is a fact. Yet anyone can generate a long form any time they choose.
