One more reason why there will never be a " palestinian state"

[Billo_Really]

Khaled Mashaal Said today that Hamas will not agree to the two states solution.

If you make a poll today in Israel you'll discover most of Israelis DO support that, or at least, suport it IF and WHEN it can really be done in a fair way for Jews.

That's not the case. Hamas doesn't accept. And THEY are the ones calling the shots.

Where's your link to corroborate that's what he said? Here's what he said back in November...

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal...says the faction will respect the truce so long as Israel does.

...that doesn't sound like "wipe them off the map" talk? That sounds like, you don't attack us, we won't attack you. If both states abide by those terms, two states can co-exist. If you have a link that say's otherwise, let's see it.

BTW, a population that lives under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force, is not allowed to call any shots. So that part of your post, is total, absolute, bullshit!

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel has no intention of going back to borders that the Arabs have never accepted , respected or recognized . When there is " negotiation " it's understood nobody is going to get everything their way .Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. Abbas not only wants land within the borders that never existed linking Gaza and the W Bank (Something that didn't exist before obviously) but they want control over it . What gives them any right /control over any of the land within the " borders " that never existed? Tell us EXACTLY what land Abbas is willing to concede for land inside Israel . There will not be a response ; there never is

No one is going to allow the Israeli's to do the same thing that started WWII.

Didn't realize the Israelis were tryiing to take over all of Europe. Thanks for the history lesson . Israel is not going to make all the Concessions . It is that simple . Tell us what concessions Abbas is offering for land within the borders that were never recognized . There will not be a response; there never is

 

[Billo_Really]

Didn't realize the Israelis were tryiing to take over all of Europe. Thanks for the history lesson . Israel is not going to make all the Concessions . It is that simple . Tell us what concessions Abbas is offering for land within the borders that were never recognized . There will not be a response; there never is

The nazis didn't want to make any, either, until the civilized world took the decision making out of their hands. If Israel will not make concessions on their own, then the civilized world will take them out of the loop and make those concessions for them. And if it gets to that point, all Israel is going to get, is F'd in the A.

 

[proudveteran06]

Khaled Mashaal Said today that Hamas will not agree to the two states solution.

If you make a poll today in Israel you'll discover most of Israelis DO support that, or at least, suport it IF and WHEN it can really be done in a fair way for Jews.

That's not the case. Hamas doesn't accept. And THEY are the ones calling the shots.

Where's your link to corroborate that's what he said? Here's what he said back in November...

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal...says the faction will respect the truce so long as Israel does.

...that doesn't sound like "wipe them off the map" talk? That sounds like, you don't attack us, we won't attack you. If both states abide by those terms, two states can co-exist. If you have a link that say's otherwise, let's see it.

BTW, a population that lives under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force, is not allowed to call any shots. So that part of your post, is total, absolute, bullshit!

It was Nasser, the Egyptian President BEFORE the 67 War that made that threat. In addition the Arab Countries were assembling on Israel's border with increased military equipment and ordered the U . N out of the area . They initiated it , they don't get to call all the shots. So that part of your argument is bullshit . What Israel does not have to do; what they will not do is give in to all of Abbas demands. Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. When two or more parties " negotiate" about anything in life it's understood no oneis going to get their way 100 percent. Abbas refuses to do that so he will get nothing . BTW He is demanding land within the " 67 borders" linking Gaza and the W Bank and insisting the Palestinians have control over it .

Tell us why Abbas is. " entitled " to that land and what land Abbas is offering in exchange for it .Just name one thing they are doing to " negotiate "lol

 

[proudveteran06]

Didn't realize the Israelis were tryiing to take over all of Europe. Thanks for the history lesson . Israel is not going to make all the Concessions . It is that simple . Tell us what concessions Abbas is offering for land within the borders that were never recognized . There will not be a response; there never is

The nazis didn't want to make any, either, until the civilized world took the decision making out of their hands. If Israel will not make concessions on their own, then the civilized world will take them out of the loop and make those concessions for them. And if it gets to that point, all Israel is going to get, is F'd in the A.

Israel already made one big concession by leaving Gaza and were " rewarded" with more Rockets. Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. Abbas is not going to get it all his way He doesn't want to make any concessions? Them he will get nothing

 

[Billo_Really]

It was Nasser, the Egyptian President BEFORE the 67 War that made that threat. In addition the Arab Countries were assembling on Israel's border with increased military equipment and ordered the U . N out of the area . They initiated it , they don't get to call all the shots. So that part of your argument is bullshit .

There is nothing you can say that changes the fact that Israel shot first, attacked first and invaded first. And unless you are responding to an attack, or have a UNSC resolution backing you up, said attack is nothing more than "aggression", which, since WWII, is a war crime.

The only threats to Israel, are the ones it creates. In regards to the '67 war, what Israel was doing just before they officially sent their tanks into Egypt, was pretty fucked!

Here's a "LETTER DATED 27 MAY 1967" to the UNSC complaining about several instances of Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

The following are but few illustrations of continued Israeli aggressive policy:

1. The Israel aggression against Om Rashrash (on the Red Sea) on 10 March 1949 and its annexation despite the adoption of the Security Council resolution on cease-fire and of the signature of the General Armistice Agreement.

2. The Israeli armed aggression against the demilitarized zone of El Ouga and its occupation by force in violation of the Egyptian-Israeli Armistice Agreement, the expulsion of the United Nations observers, the lowering of the United Nations flag and the expulsion by force of its original inhabitants, i.e., the Palestinian Azazma tribes.

3. Ben Gurion's declaration that the Egyptian-Israeli Armistice Agreement is "dead and buried" after the Israeli aggression in 1956.

4. The repeated Israeli armed aggression against Jordan and its recent aggression on the village of El Samouh.

5. The Israeli attempts to change the international status of Jerusalem in violation of the resolutions of the United Nations.

6. The Israeli aggression against the water projects in Syria utilizing Israeli Air Force.

7. The repeated Israeli aggression on the demilitarized zones specified in the Syrian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement.

8. The continued Israeli threat and the recent Israeli mobilization of its forces during the current month of May in preparation for the invasion of Syria as confirmed in the report of the Secretary-General to the Security Council on 19 May 1967, document 5/7896.

When you see that shit Israel was doing at that time, Nassar's threat is understandable. After repeated acts of aggression by the Israeli's, it was only a matter of time before someone stood up and said, "Enough! If you don't stop this bullshit, we'll put a stop to it for you!"

You fuckers think you can go around and shoot whomever you fuckin' please? Fuck you! You assholes don't deserve a country! You're no different than the nazis.

What Israel does not have to do; what they will not do is give in to all of Abbas demands. Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. When two or more parties " negotiate" about anything in life it's understood no oneis going to get their way 100 percent. Abbas refuses to do that so he will get nothing . BTW He is demanding land within the " 67 borders" linking Gaza and the W Bank and insisting the Palestinians have control over it .

Tell us why Abbas is. " entitled " to that land and what land Abbas is offering in exchange for it .Just name one thing they are doing to " negotiate "lol

Listen, you can take Abbas and the Palestinian's completly out of the equation. Just for the sake of argument, let's say they don't exist. There are no Palestinian's in Palestine. All arabs are cleansed from the area. No arabs are there. They're all in Jordan and Egypt, just like you wanted. Are you still with me?

Now, even if there are no arabs in Palestine........ Gaza, the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, are still not part of Israel! Israel has no sovereignty over that land. It doesn't matter who's there. The only thing that matters, is that land isn't Israel's and it will never be Israel's. You fuckin' got that? It didn't work for the nazis a half-century ago and it won't work for you fuckers now.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel already made one big concession by leaving Gaza and were " rewarded" with more Rockets.

Do you have ADD? How many times do I have to explain to you the concept of "effective control"? Or do you just not have the balls to deal with reality? You keep repeating this bullshit mantra about them "leaving Gaza", even after I explained their physical presence in the area doesn't matter. As long as they continue the blockade, THEY HAVEN'T LEFT, ASSHOLE!

Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. Abbas is not going to get it all his way He doesn't want to make any concessions? Them he will get nothing

You can't "offer" what you don't have. Olmert can't offer land, because it's not his to give. And it doesn't matter what Abbas wants, the issue is Israel needs to stop violating international law and start respecting the human rights of non-jews under it's authority.

 

[Lipush]

Khaled Mashaal Said today that Hamas will not agree to the two states solution.

If you make a poll today in Israel you'll discover most of Israelis DO support that, or at least, suport it IF and WHEN it can really be done in a fair way for Jews.

That's not the case. Hamas doesn't accept. And THEY are the ones calling the shots.

Where's your link to corroborate that's what he said? Here's what he said back in November...

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal...says the faction will respect the truce so long as Israel does.

...that doesn't sound like "wipe them off the map" talk? That sounds like, you don't attack us, we won't attack you. If both states abide by those terms, two states can co-exist. If you have a link that say's otherwise, let's see it.

BTW, a population that lives under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force, is not allowed to call any shots. So that part of your post, is total, absolute, bullshit!

The link to what he said (Website in Hebrew doesn't have english version, you're more than welcome to google translate, see if you get it)-

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חאלד משעל מכחיש: "לא תומך בעקרון שתי המדינות, זה שקר"

פוליטי-מדיני |
עודכן 10:36 03/02/2013

חדשות nana10
בשבוע שעבר פורסם כי ראש הלשכה המדינית של חמאס הסמיך את ידיו של המלך עבדאללה לדון בשמו עם ארה"ב על בסיס ההכרה בישראל. היום משעל נשמע אחרת. "לא נוכל לקבל תחליף לפלסטין, לבד משחרור האדמות הערביות",הודיע במסיבת עיתונאים בירדן​

 

[Lipush]

I meant the call the shots in their population area. They speak for the Palestinians.

 

[Lipush]

"Do you have ADD? How many times do I have to explain to you the concept of "effective control"? Or do you just not have the balls to deal with reality? You keep repeating this bullshit mantra about them "leaving Gaza", even after I explained their physical presence in the area doesn't matter. As long as they continue the blockade, THEY HAVEN'T LEFT, ASSHOLE!"

Yes we DID, ASSHOLE.

But as the saying goes, "When the Jew leaves Gaza, Gaza chases him down". And Gaza DID chase us down, because they voted for a terrorist organization which its main target is Israel's destruction.

Duh!

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes we DID, ASSHOLE.

But as the saying goes, "When the Jew leaves Gaza, Gaza chases him down". And Gaza DID chase us down, because they voted for a terrorist organization which its main target is Israel's destruction.

Duh!

How can they chase you down, when they're not even permitted to leave the area? Israel has turned Gaza into a large, open air prison.

And why can't you address the issue of "effective control"? I addressed your points, you can't reciprocate? I guess the door doesn't swing both ways, in your hypocritical world.

I want you to address the issue of "effective control" and how it relates to the current situation in Gaza. I know you won't and we both know why?

 

[Billo_Really]

The link to what he said (Website in Hebrew doesn't have english version, you're more than welcome to google translate, see if you get it)-

????10 - ???? ???? ?????: ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???????, ?? ??? - ?????

חאלד משעל מכחיש: "לא תומך בעקרון שתי המדינות, זה שקר"

פוליטי-מדיני |
עודכן 10:36 03/02/2013

חדשות nana10
בשבוע שעבר פורסם כי ראש הלשכה המדינית של חמאס הסמיך את ידיו של המלך עבדאללה לדון בשמו עם ארה"ב על בסיס ההכרה בישראל. היום משעל נשמע אחרת. "לא נוכל לקבל תחליף לפלסטין, לבד משחרור האדמות הערביות",הודיע במסיבת עיתונאים בירדן​

Why don't you just tell me what his exact words were?

Go ahead, I trust you.

 

[proudveteran06]

It was Nasser, the Egyptian President BEFORE the 67 War that made that threat. In addition the Arab Countries were assembling on Israel's border with increased military equipment and ordered the U . N out of the area . They initiated it , they don't get to call all the shots. So that part of your argument is bullshit .

There is nothing you can say that changes the fact that Israel shot first, attacked first and invaded first. And unless you are responding to an attack, or have a UNSC resolution backing you up, said attack is nothing more than "aggression", which, since WWII, is a war crime.

The only threats to Israel, are the ones it creates. In regards to the '67 war, what Israel was doing just before they officially sent their tanks into Egypt, was pretty fucked!

Here's a "LETTER DATED 27 MAY 1967" to the UNSC complaining about several instances of Israeli aggression against its neighbors.

The following are but few illustrations of continued Israeli aggressive policy:

1. The Israel aggression against Om Rashrash (on the Red Sea) on 10 March 1949 and its annexation despite the adoption of the Security Council resolution on cease-fire and of the signature of the General Armistice Agreement.

2. The Israeli armed aggression against the demilitarized zone of El Ouga and its occupation by force in violation of the Egyptian-Israeli Armistice Agreement, the expulsion of the United Nations observers, the lowering of the United Nations flag and the expulsion by force of its original inhabitants, i.e., the Palestinian Azazma tribes.

3. Ben Gurion's declaration that the Egyptian-Israeli Armistice Agreement is "dead and buried" after the Israeli aggression in 1956.

4. The repeated Israeli armed aggression against Jordan and its recent aggression on the village of El Samouh.

5. The Israeli attempts to change the international status of Jerusalem in violation of the resolutions of the United Nations.

6. The Israeli aggression against the water projects in Syria utilizing Israeli Air Force.

7. The repeated Israeli aggression on the demilitarized zones specified in the Syrian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement.

8. The continued Israeli threat and the recent Israeli mobilization of its forces during the current month of May in preparation for the invasion of Syria as confirmed in the report of the Secretary-General to the Security Council on 19 May 1967, document 5/7896.

When you see that shit Israel was doing at that time, Nassar's threat is understandable. After repeated acts of aggression by the Israeli's, it was only a matter of time before someone stood up and said, "Enough! If you don't stop this bullshit, we'll put a stop to it for you!"

You fuckers think you can go around and shoot whomever you fuckin' please? Fuck you! You assholes don't deserve a country! You're no different than the nazis.

What Israel does not have to do; what they will not do is give in to all of Abbas demands. Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. When two or more parties " negotiate" about anything in life it's understood no oneis going to get their way 100 percent. Abbas refuses to do that so he will get nothing . BTW He is demanding land within the " 67 borders" linking Gaza and the W Bank and insisting the Palestinians have control over it .

Tell us why Abbas is. " entitled " to that land and what land Abbas is offering in exchange for it .Just name one thing they are doing to " negotiate "lol

Listen, you can take Abbas and the Palestinian's completly out of the equation. Just for the sake of argument, let's say they don't exist. There are no Palestinian's in Palestine. All arabs are cleansed from the area. No arabs are there. They're all in Jordan and Egypt, just like you wanted. Are you still with me?

Now, even if there are no arabs in Palestine........ Gaza, the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, are still not part of Israel! Israel has no sovereignty over that land. It doesn't matter who's there. The only thing that matters, is that land isn't Israel's and it will never be Israel's. You fuckin' got that? It didn't work for the nazis a half-century ago and it won't work for you fuckers now.

Just using some of your examples; The Arabs initiated the 56 War so the " Armistice " was a joke. It never existed

http://Click here: The Suez War of 1956



In the fall of 1948, the UN Security Council called on Israel and the Arab states to negotiate armistice agreements. Egypt agreed, but only after Israel had routed its army and driven to El Arish in the Sinai. At that time, the British were ready to defend Egypt under an Anglo-Egyptian treaty. Rather than accept the humiliation of British assistance, however, the Egyptians met the Israelis at Rhodes.

UN mediator Ralph Bunche brought them together at the conference table and was later honored with a Nobel Peace Prize. He warned that any delegation that walked out of the negotiations would be blamed for their breakdown.

By the summer of 1949, armistice agreements had been negotiated between Israel and Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Iraq, which had also fought against Israel, refused to follow suit. Bunche succeeded at Rhodes because he insisted on direct bilateral talks between Israel and each Arab state.

Meanwhile, on December 11, 1948, the General Assembly adopted a resolution calling on the parties to negotiate peace and creating a Palestine Conciliation Commission (PCC), which consisted of the United States, France and Turkey. All Arab delegations voted against it.

After 1949, the Arabs insisted that Israel accept the borders in the 1947 partition resolution and repatriate the Palestinian refugees before they would negotiate an end to the war they had initiated. This was a novel approach that they would use after subsequent defeats: the doctrine of the limited-liability war. Under this theory, an aggressor may reject a compromise settlement and gamble on war to win everything in the comfortable knowledge that, even if he fails, he may insist on reinstating the status quo ante.

Egypt had maintained its state of belligerency with Israel after the armistice agreement was signed. The first manifestation of this was the closing of the Suez Canal to Israeli shipping. On August 9, 1949, the UN Mixed Armistice Commission upheld Israel's complaint that Egypt was illegally blocking the canal. UN negotiator Ralph Bunche declared: "There should be free movement for legitimate shipping and no vestiges of the wartime blockade should be allowed to remain, as they are inconsistent with both the letter and the spirit of the armistice agreements."

On September 1, 1951, the Security Council ordered Egypt to open the Canal to Israeli shipping. Egypt refused to comply.

The Egyptian Foreign Minister, Muhammad Salah al-Din, said early in 1954:

The Arab people will not be embarrassed to declare: We shall not be satisfied except by the final obliteration of Israel from the map of the Middle East (Al-Misri, April 12, 1954).

A New Type of Warfare
In 1955, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser began to import arms from the Soviet Bloc to build his arsenal for the confrontation with Israel. In the short-term, however, he employed a new tactic to prosecute Egypt's war with Israel. He announced it on August 31, 1955:

Egypt has decided to dispatch her heroes, the disciples of Pharaoh and the sons of Islam and they will cleanse the land of Palestine....There will be no peace on Israel's border because we demand vengeance, and vengeance is Israel's death.

These “heroes” were Arab terrorists, or fedayeen, trained and equipped by Egyptian Intelligence to engage in hostile action on the border and infiltrate Israel to commit acts of sabotage and murder. The fedayeen operated mainly from bases in Jordan, so that Jordan would bear the brunt of Israel's retaliation, which inevitably followed. The terrorist attacks violated the armistice agreement provision that prohibited the initiation of hostilities by paramilitary forces; nevertheless, it was Israel that was condemned by the UN Security Council for its counterattacks.

The escalation continued with the Egyptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran, and Nasser's nationalization of the Suez Canal in July 1956. On October 14, Nasser made clear his intent:

I am not solely fighting against Israel itself. My task is to deliver the Arab world from destruction through Israel's intrigue, which has its roots abroad. Our hatred is very strong. There is no sense in talking about peace with Israel. There is not even the smallest place for negotiations.

Less than two weeks later, on October 25, Egypt signed a tripartite agreement with Syria and Jordan placing Nasser in command of all three armies.

The continued blockade of the Suez Canal and Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping, combined with the increased fedayeen attacks and the bellicosity of recent Arab statements, prompted Israel, with the backing of Britain and France, to attack Egypt on October 29, 1956.

Israeli Ambassador to the UN Abba Eban explained the provocations to the Security Council on October 30:

During the six years during which this belligerency has operated in violation of the Armistice Agreement there have occurred 1,843 cases of armed robbery and theft, 1,339 cases of armed clashes with Egyptian armed forces, 435 cases of incursion from Egyptian controlled territory, 172 cases of sabotage perpetrated by Egyptian military units and fedayeen in Israel. As a result of these actions of Egyptian hostility within Israel, 364 Israelis were wounded and 101 killed. In 1956 alone, as a result of this aspect of Egyptian aggression, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 wounded.

One reason these raids were so intolerable for Israel was that the country had chosen to create a relatively small standing army and to rely primarily on reserves in the event of war. This meant that Israel had a small force to fight in an emergency, that threats provoking the mobilization of reserves could virtually paralyze the country, and that an enemy's initial thrust would have to be withstood long enough to complete the mobilization.

Great Power Collusion


http://Click here: ISRAEL-SYRIA NEGOTIATIONS: THE ISSUES


Between 1948-1967, Syria used the Golan Heights as a launch pad for sniper attacks and shelling of Israeli towns below the Heights. Besides being long considered of key strategic importance militarily, the Golan is Israel’s key source of water. Israel’s northern water sources lie largely in the Golan, providing Israel with one-third of its water supply. Before 1967, Syria interfered with this crucial water supply.

It was Syria who interferred with Israel's water supply. " International Status of Jerusalem??" lol Is that the same as The U.N. declaring that Jordan give Israelis the right to enter E. Jerusalem to visit their Holy Sites and of course they refused???

Regarding your claim that Israel should have done nothing until they were attacked by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt is ignorant and stupid. Tell us why the U.N. was sent away. There is nothing you can say that will change those facts.

Like it or not; Israel will not go back to the " boundries" that the Arabs themselves have rejected and denies you Mother - Fucker! The Arabs have been trying to eliminate Israel since May 14, 1948 yet we are the Nazis with repeated agression?


Gaza isn't part of Israel. The W. BANK came from two Countries that INITIATED the WAR with Israel ! It's that simple.

Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted . He turned it down he gets nothing. Still haven't told us why Abbas is entitled to any land within the " 67 Borders" and what he has offered. Think the Arabs can do whatever they want and Israel has to accept all conditions? FUCK YOU !!!!! They won't and NEVER WILL

 

[proudveteran06]

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1. The Israel aggression against Om Rashrash (on the Red Sea) on 10 March 1949 and its annexation despite the adoption of the Security Council resolution on cease-fire and of the signature of the General Armistice Agreement.



Forgot one thing;


The " agression" you speak about was brought on by Jordan. That area was supposed to be part of Israel but of course they did not relinguish it







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Raising of the Ink Flag at Umm Rashrash
Operation Uvda (Hebrew: מבצע עובדה, Mivtza Uvda) was an operation conducted by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, from March 5 to March 10, 1949. It was the last campaign undertaken by the IDF during the war and its objective was to capture the southern Negev desert, which was claimed by the Kingdom of Jordan to be under Jordanian control in the armistice talks of 1949.

The southern Negev was designated to be part of the Jewish State in the 1947 UN Partition Plan. The name uvda (עובד&#1492 is Hebrew for "fact", referring to the operation's objective to establish de facto Israeli sovereignty over the territory in question, rather than actually conquer it. As such, the Israeli forces did not meet significant resistance on their way. The region claimed during this operations is now referred to as Ovda.


Just more proof of Arab Agression since May 14, 1948.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

The Palestinians?I know they don't Prior to 67 that land was part of Jordan; not "Palestine"

 

[proudveteran06]

The Palestinians?I know they don't Prior to 67 that land was part of Jordan; not "Palestine"

' Palestine" never existed and never will. Let Abbas keep insisting on Borders that were never honored or respected, " Right of Return" and land within the " borders". Haven't heard yet from any Pro- Palestinian as to what Abbas is " offering" for land inside Israel

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel already made one big concession by leaving Gaza and were " rewarded" with more Rockets.

Do you have ADD? How many times do I have to explain to you the concept of "effective control"? Or do you just not have the balls to deal with reality? You keep repeating this bullshit mantra about them "leaving Gaza", even after I explained their physical presence in the area doesn't matter. As long as they continue the blockade, THEY HAVEN'T LEFT, ASSHOLE!
ASSHOLE; If they didn't start to shoot rockets immediately after Israel left that blockade would have been lifted by now ! Obviously, leaving Gaza was the first step. They want Israel TOTALLY out of Gaza without the blockade? STOP SHOOTING ROCKETS AND STOP SMUGGLING WEAPONS; ASSHOLE ! STOP INSISTING THAT ALL OF ISRAEL IS " PALESTINE"!

Olmert offered Abbas almost everything he wanted and it was rejected. Abbas is not going to get it all his way He doesn't want to make any concessions? Them he will get nothing

You can't "offer" what you don't have. Olmert can't offer land, because it's not his to give. And it doesn't matter what Abbas wants, the issue is Israel needs to stop violating international law and start respecting the human rights of non-jews under it's authority.

Translation; The borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted, respected or honored? Not going to happen

 

[Hossfly]

The Palestinians?I know they don't Prior to 67 that land was part of Jordan; not "Palestine"

Mandate coin, minted by the British.

 

[Billo_Really]

ASSHOLE; If they didn't start to shoot rockets immediately after Israel left that blockade would have been lifted by now ! Obviously, leaving Gaza was the first step.

You had 37 "rocket free" years, you've used up all your quassam credits. The rocket attacks have been illegal for the last 8 years; your occupation has been illegal for the last 45 years. The first step is yours.

They want Israel TOTALLY out of Gaza without the blockade?

You're 1/4 right. They want them out of Gaza (without the illegal blockade), out of the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. You've illegally occupied land that isn't yours for the last 45 years and it is time to get the fuck out! Because if you don't, you will suffer the same fate the nazis did. Sooner or later, the world community is not going to tolerate you colonial bullshit anymore and make that decision for you.

STOP SHOOTING ROCKETS

End the occupation and the rockets will stop.

AND STOP SMUGGLING WEAPONS; ASSHOLE !

Why can't they have weapons?

Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

STOP INSISTING THAT ALL OF ISRAEL IS " PALESTINE"!

When have I ever said that?

Translation; The borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted, respected or honored? Not going to happen

You rolled your tanks into Egypt in '67; you've already invaded Gaza twice in the last 5 years; you just got done hitting Syria with 6 air strikes to exacerbate the civil war in that country; you're lobbying Washington to give you the green light to hit Iran and you wanna talk about the Pals not respecting borders?

Fuck you, hypocrite! Fuck you and anyone who talks like you!

 

[proudveteran06]

ASSHOLE; If they didn't start to shoot rockets immediately after Israel left that blockade would have been lifted by now ! Obviously, leaving Gaza was the first step.

You had 37 "rocket free" years, you've used up all your quassam credits. The rocket attacks have been illegal for the last 8 years; your occupation has been illegal for the last 45 years. The first step is yours.

They want Israel TOTALLY out of Gaza without the blockade?

You're 1/4 right. They want them out of Gaza (without the illegal blockade), out of the West Bank, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. You've illegally occupied land that isn't yours for the last 45 years and it is time to get the fuck out! Because if you don't, you will suffer the same fate the nazis did. Sooner or later, the world community is not going to tolerate you colonial bullshit anymore and make that decision for you.

End the occupation and the rockets will stop.

Why can't they have weapons?

Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

STOP INSISTING THAT ALL OF ISRAEL IS " PALESTINE"!

When have I ever said that?

Abbas just RECENTLY said that. I never said YOU said it

Translation; The borders that the Arabs themselves have never accepted, respected or honored? Not going to happen

You rolled your tanks into Egypt in '67; you've already invaded Gaza twice in the last 5 years; you just got done hitting Syria with 6 air strikes to exacerbate the civil war in that country; you're lobbying Washington to give you the green light to hit Iran and you wanna talk about the Pals not respecting borders?

Fuck you, hypocrite! Fuck you and anyone who talks like you!

The Arabs initiated the 67 War by surrounding Israel with their threats, their military, and sending the U.N. away. Can you explain the latter? Israel was not LEGALLY compelled to do nothing until they were attacked from all sides. You " forget" to mention that Syria was shooting at them from the Golan Heights.

You accused Israel of land grabs ESPECIALLY WITH Jordan. I have proven you are nothing but a PRO- PALESTINIAN LIAR ! You accused Israel of fooling around with Syria's water supply while the opposite was true.

You accused Israel of breaking the " truce" between Israel and Egypt in 1956. Again I have proven you are nothing but a LIAR !!!

Regarding the " truce" between Jordan and Israel, Jordan was supposed to let Israel have access to E. Jerusalem. Of course they defied the U.N. and refused. Don't see you commenting about that.

You refuse to answer another question; What gives Abbas the right to ANY land within the 67 Borders and what has he offered in return? It's a fair question. THE ARABS REFUSED TO RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT THOSE BORDERS; ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM NOW! One more time ; Olmert gave Abbas almost everything he wanted and it STILL wasn't good enough !

They want the Blockade in Gaza lifted? Increasing Rocket 's shot into Israel IMMEDIATELY after withdrawl isn't going to help their cause.

Want to talk about the Israelis not respecting " borders?" When have the Arabs ever respected Israel's " borders?" FUCK YOU- YOU PRO - PALESTINIAN HYPOCRITE