One of the following MUST be true about God

[IlarMeilyr]

I believe in God.

I don't pretend that my belief has any factual support behind it.

Curious that your "religious belief" does not have any influence on you to reform your Potty Mouth.

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Not curious at all, noman, you pathetic unpersuasive illogical uneducated moron.

If you wish to believe that the Almighty gives a hoot about the language used by any one human being, then you have the right to believe as much.

For my part, I harbor no such belief.

Oh, and fuck yourself you scumbag bitch.


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[numan]

Why would God let Job suffer so much? Just to prove a point? Did He not love Job and want to protect him? Would you let someone torture one of your pets just to prove your pet still loves YOU even though YOU allowed that person to torture it? But pets don't think like that, do they. Humans do. Or do they?

And why does Satan have so much power to cause all this evilness? Is not God the most Powerful? So why not rid us of Satan and just love us?

The truth is there is a real enemy out there. His name is Satan, he has a kingdom, he has his principalities and powers and rulers of darkness working for him - he despises you and I because he has eternally lost his chance to ever see heaven again.

Can't you religious idiots even read your Bible?!! It's just amazing how ignorant you dolts are of your own religion!! The very beginning of the Book of Job clearly says :

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."

The Satan (a title of office, not a name!) is frequently in Heaven!! He is a high official of the Divine Court, fulfilling the function which in modern governments is the office of public prosecutor -- that is shown by the fact that "satan" means "adversary," "accuser". The translation from Hebrew into Greek was "diabolos", whence English derived the word "devil". The term in Greek specifically means "a person who accuses another person in a law court, one who brings a charge against another person." The earliest translation of the Bible into Greek, The Septuagint, in the Book of Job, translates specifically "ha-satan" as "diabolos", the accuser in a law court.

You ignoramuses are quite incapable of understanding history. The God of Bronze Age Babylonian goat herders was nothing like the God of more recent times. He was a Babylonian king writ large : unpredictable, wrathful, cruel, susceptible to flattery and bribery, worshipped for His power, not His goodness!! Like any king, he had His Heavenly Court, and His high officials, one of whom was "Ha-Satan", the Accuser -- a powerful, necessary, angelic functionary, equally respectable as all other "sons of God", though obviously not an angel likely to be popular with those against whom he exercised his High Office !! · ·

Only after the introduction of abstract dualistic ideas of Good and Evil from Persian Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism in late antiquity did Ha-Satan begin to become the Absolutely Evil Opposite of God found in Dante and other tedious religious tracts.

Wikipedia :

Satan is primarily understood as an "accuser" or "adversary" in the Hebrew Bible, and is not necessarily the personification of evil that he would become in later Abrahamic religions. In the New Testament, Satan is a name that refers to a decidedly malevolent entity (devil) who possesses demonic god-like qualities....

The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6.

Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-” ( English: “the"), is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan.”

In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the Divine Council, "the sons of God" who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan, in this capacity, is many times translated as "the prosecutor", and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees.

...scholars see contact with religious dualism in Babylon, and early Zoroastrianism in particular, as having influenced Second Temple period Judaism, and consequently early Christianity. Subsequent development of Satan as a "deceiver" has parallels with the evil spirit in Zoroastrianism, known as "the Lie", who directs the forces of darkness.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

noman,

Since you have less than zero ability to persuade, why do you use SO very many words in your posts?

You can be a bombastic ignorant twat without being so incredibly verbose. Give that a whirl, you ball-less sack.


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[numan]

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Me speak at length so even ignorant, slow-witted potty-mouths can understand.

You twig? Ugh!

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[Quantum Windbag]

Can't you religious idiots even read your Bible?!! It's just amazing how ignorant you dolts are of your own religion!! The very beginning of the Book of Job clearly says :

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."

Why do you keep pretending that you studied the Bible? Even the most idiotically liberal Bible college won't let you use Wikipedia as a reference, why not use real reference books to make your point? There are plenty of scholarly works written to specifically debunk any portion of the Bible you can think of, all in the name of turning Christianity into a belief system that supports a favorite political view. There were even some written to justify Communism and Marxism through the use of Bible verses.

The Satan (a title of office, not a name!) is frequently in Heaven!! He is a high official of the Divine Court, fulfilling the function which in modern governments is the office of public prosecutor -- that is shown by the fact that "satan" means "adversary," "accuser". The translation from Hebrew into Greek was "diabolos", whence English derived the word "devil". The term in Greek specifically means "a person who accuses another person in a law court, one who brings a charge against another person." The earliest translation of the Bible into Greek, The Septuagint, in the Book of Job, translates specifically "ha-satan" as "diabolos", the accuser in a law court.

You ignoramuses are quite incapable of understanding history. The God of Bronze Age Babylonian goat herders was nothing like the God of more recent times. He was a Babylonian king writ large : unpredictable, wrathful, cruel, susceptible to flattery and bribery, worshipped for His power, not His goodness!! Like any king, he had His Heavenly Court, and His high officials, one of whom was "Ha-Satan", the Accuser -- a powerful, necessary, angelic functionary, equally respectable as all other "sons of God", though obviously not an angel likely to be popular with those against whom he exercised his High Office !! · ·

Only after the introduction of abstract dualistic ideas of Good and Evil from Persian Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism in late antiquity did Ha-Satan begin to become the Absolutely Evil Opposite of God found in Dante and other tedious religious tracts.

Wikipedia :

Satan is primarily understood as an "accuser" or "adversary" in the Hebrew Bible, and is not necessarily the personification of evil that he would become in later Abrahamic religions. In the New Testament, Satan is a name that refers to a decidedly malevolent entity (devil) who possesses demonic god-like qualities....

The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6.

Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-” ( English: “the"), is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan.”

In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the Divine Council, "the sons of God" who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan, in this capacity, is many times translated as "the prosecutor", and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees.

...scholars see contact with religious dualism in Babylon, and early Zoroastrianism in particular, as having influenced Second Temple period Judaism, and consequently early Christianity. Subsequent development of Satan as a "deceiver" has parallels with the evil spirit in Zoroastrianism, known as "the Lie", who directs the forces of darkness.

The Satan? Where the fuck does that come from?

Satan means adversary. It is not an office, nor is, properly, a name. That does not mean it cannot be used as a name. For an example I will point to the word smith, which is clearly a job, yet is the most common surname in the US.

By the way, ha-satan is closer to an alliteration than a translation, and diabalos is a completely different word in Greek. That is what happens when you rely on Wiki for your research.

By the way, what evidence do you have that the cross contamination of religious beliefs that scholars claim to see isn't actually going the other way? Isn't it remotely possible that Zoroastrianism and Manichaeismdidn't borrowed their concepts from the preexisting religion that we eventually named after a descendent of Abraham?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

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Me speak at length so even ignorant, slow-witted potty-mouths can understand.

You twig? Ugh!

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Hey noman:

Aside from your standard fare of sissified babble, do you have anything to offer, you twit? You know, anything of value? Because so far, in your petty existence here, you've contributed exactly nothing of value.

Oh, and noman? Fuck yourself with a rusty rasp up your effete ass, you quiff.

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[HUGGY]

Satan is the one who requested permission from God to touch Jobs body - Job had a hedge of protection around him. God allowed Satan to test his servant but not kill him. In the end Job was rewarded double fold for his trouble and affliction.

Why would Satan have to ASK to do ANYTHING? See, this is what bugs me. And makes me feel guilty all at the same time for being unfaithful enough to even wonder about it.
Why would God let Job suffer so much? Just to prove a point? Did He not love Job and want to protect him? Would you let someone torture one of your pets just to prove your pet still loves YOU even though YOU allowed that person to torture it? But pets don't think like that, do they. Humans do. Or do they?

And why does Satan have so much power to cause all this evilness? Is not God the most Powerful? So why not rid us of Satan and just love us?

See? This is why I am so confused. So many whys. No answers.

There are answers. But you have to seek them in the book, rather than just piss and moan that there are no answers.

Satan has no power except that which is allowed by God.
Satan answers to God. God has but to say the word, and Satan is thrown into the pit. And God will say the word, when the time is right. Satan knows this.

We cause suffering. God created a perfect world for us, and we listened to the serpent, who told us that God was holding out on us. We coveted. We continue to covet. And we will continue to suffer. Look at is as tempering. And keep in mind this...Eve listened to the serpent, who told her that God lied to her, and that everything would be better if she ate of the apple...

As it turns out...the serpent was the liar, and life became a misery for all mankind because of it. Yet people still listen to the serpent. Go figure.

So according to your "book" god has a "bouncer" or a team of bouncers just hanging around ready and willing to toss offensive individuals into hell.

Good stuff! Very funny.

I find it astonishing that before man..or at least "civilized" man knew the earth was a sphere and not flat he was at least sure according to your "book" that the known universe was constructed just for humans. SOOOooo... now that we have a better understanding of the actual size of the known universe we haven't dropped the "message" that all this was created for humans..or at the very least "god worshipers".

If there were any other assigned characters in thier little soap opera besides the all knowing and all powerfull sky pixie every last one of them would dismiss the plot as too stupid for words.

I'm surprised the christo-zombies haven't come to grips with the difference in understanding the scale we are talking about and adjusted the suppozed meanings downword in size and responsibility. But they can't have it both ways can they. Either "god" created the universe and "he" has a little more on his plate than South East football can get god's attention... ORRRrrr.... God is a more modest god in size and ability and he really doesn't have anything better to do than sheppard over humans.

So if god is so concerned with human activity and holding the gate keys to heaven and hell what with people dying 24/7 and everything... and all the judgements and everything... God is in reality sort of a clown. An obssesive compulsive clown with insane delusions of grandure.

ORRRrr.. it's all bullshit and you people have just been wasting yours and everyone else's time and treasure.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Look. If God DID exist, why is there Huggy in this world?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

None of these events make any sense and would leave any sane person wondering how God plays a part in those events occurring. The answer is one of the above three options.

So which do you think is correct? 1, 2, 3?

Clearly option one, since we know that in order for a deity to be worthy of worship it must be omnipotent. An omnipotent deity can’t be ‘incompetent,’ and ‘caring’ or not is a human attribute, not possessed by an omnipotent deity.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

None of these events make any sense and would leave any sane person wondering how God plays a part in those events occurring. The answer is one of the above three options.

So which do you think is correct? 1, 2, 3?

Clearly option one, since we know that in order for a deity to be worthy of worship it must be omnipotent. An omnipotent deity can’t be ‘incompetent,’ and ‘caring’ or not is a human attribute, not possessed by an omnipotent deity.

Poor deluded and illogical Adam_Clayton. The poor twit can't figure out that all three "choices" could be "false."

 

[hortysir]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

None of these events make any sense and would leave any sane person wondering how God plays a part in those events occurring. The answer is one of the above three options.

So which do you think is correct? 1, 2, 3?

One would have to be omniscient and omnipresent to make that assertion. Have you been everywhere and seen everything?
IOW you'd have to be God to say that there is no God.

Are you claiming that there can't be a God because there's so much evil in the world?
By what criteria do you define evil? How do you judge things to be evil and others not evil?
The truth is, it's impossible to distinguish evil from good unless one has an infinite reference point that is absolutely good.
Where is that point?
To me it's God.
You?

To quote a very good book; (Designer Universe)
The existence of evil in the universe does not disprove the existence of God any more than termites in a house disproves the existence of an architect.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

None of these events make any sense and would leave any sane person wondering how God plays a part in those events occurring. The answer is one of the above three options.

So which do you think is correct? 1, 2, 3?

Clearly option one, since we know that in order for a deity to be worthy of worship it must be omnipotent. An omnipotent deity can’t be ‘incompetent,’ and ‘caring’ or not is a human attribute, not possessed by an omnipotent deity.

I told you this the last time you tried to pontificate on theology, omnipotent does not mean all knowing, it means all powerful. An ominpotent god could do anything it set its mind to doing, but could still make mistakes.

By the way, why do you think omnipotence is the one overriding attribute of a god? Why not pick something else, like good looks?

 

[Agent.Tom]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

If you give the bible a good read, one thing you walk away with is a strong sense that God does not make a habit of intervening on behalf of people so as to prevent their suffering. Now this is not intended to solve your dilemma case closed--but the bible does address this directly. Our first representatives brought suffering upon us all. They had a perfect scenario. Adam and Eve (in what I believe was a test with cosmic implications) were given 99.99% autonomy. God told them they could do whatever they wanted--just don't eat the fruit from either of those 2 trees. Like I said, I believe this was a test. God set it all up to see if we would be satisfied living an immortal life in paradise, with only a simple rule not to do this one thing. The answer was a resounding "NO!" Adam and Eve, being our perfect representatives, demonstrated that we just can't be happy unless we have no rules whatsoever.

God allowed the cosmic disaster in the mistake Adam and Eve made, but instead of wiping the slate clean, He decided to go on as is, and save a remnant of the human race for future plans.

And that dovetails perfectly with another repetitive, strong message from the bible. And that is, though bad things happen, God turns them into good things. There are infinite ways in which one person's suffering can turn out to be a good thing for that person or a host of other people. The good things that God brings about out of bad, may not reveal themselves until decades later or more. But through faith in the Scriptures we all believe that God makes good out of what was seen as bad.

By the way--dying is seen as a bad thing only by people who lack faith.

 

[RDD_1210]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

None of these events make any sense and would leave any sane person wondering how God plays a part in those events occurring. The answer is one of the above three options.

So which do you think is correct? 1, 2, 3?

Clearly option one, since we know that in order for a deity to be worthy of worship it must be omnipotent. An omnipotent deity can’t be ‘incompetent,’ and ‘caring’ or not is a human attribute, not possessed by an omnipotent deity.

I told you this the last time you tried to pontificate on theology, omnipotent does not mean all knowing, it means all powerful. An ominpotent god could do anything it set its mind to doing, but could still make mistakes.

By the way, why do you think omnipotence is the one overriding attribute of a god? Why not pick something else, like good looks?

So using your definition, is god omnipotent?

 

[RDD_1210]

1) God doesn't exist
2) God is incompetent
3) God doesn't give a shit

One of the three above statements must be true. Take a scenario that seems unexplainable when it comes to "Why would God do ____________?" Or 'Why would God allow _______"?

Children dying of cancer
Women being raped
Mass Genocide
The Holocaust
etc...

If you give the bible a good read, one thing you walk away with is a strong sense that God does not make a habit of intervening on behalf of people so as to prevent their suffering. Now this is not intended to solve your dilemma case closed--but the bible does address this directly. Our first representatives brought suffering upon us all. They had a perfect scenario. Adam and Eve (in what I believe was a test with cosmic implications) were given 99.99% autonomy. God told them they could do whatever they wanted--just don't eat the fruit from either of those 2 trees. Like I said, I believe this was a test. God set it all up to see if we would be satisfied living an immortal life in paradise, with only a simple rule not to do this one thing. The answer was a resounding "NO!" Adam and Eve, being our perfect representatives, demonstrated that we just can't be happy unless we have no rules whatsoever.

God allowed the cosmic disaster in the mistake Adam and Eve made, but instead of wiping the slate clean, He decided to go on as is, and save a remnant of the human race for future plans.

And that dovetails perfectly with another repetitive, strong message from the bible. And that is, though bad things happen, God turns them into good things. There are infinite ways in which one person's suffering can turn out to be a good thing for that person or a host of other people. The good things that God brings about out of bad, may not reveal themselves until decades later or more. But through faith in the Scriptures we all believe that God makes good out of what was seen as bad.

By the way--dying is seen as a bad thing only by people who lack faith.

Why not kill yourself now then? If the afterlife is great.... Why wait?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Clearly option one, since we know that in order for a deity to be worthy of worship it must be omnipotent. An omnipotent deity can’t be ‘incompetent,’ and ‘caring’ or not is a human attribute, not possessed by an omnipotent deity.

I told you this the last time you tried to pontificate on theology, omnipotent does not mean all knowing, it means all powerful. An ominpotent god could do anything it set its mind to doing, but could still make mistakes.

By the way, why do you think omnipotence is the one overriding attribute of a god? Why not pick something else, like good looks?

So using your definition, is god omnipotent?

That was NOT his definition. He used a silly example to highlight his point about the randomness of your daffynition.

Try to keep up.

 

[koshergrl]

Because as Christians we are on God's time. We do not have the right to terminate lives for no good reason...not even our own.

Judas Iscariot committed suicide. That in and of itself should give any Christian considering it, pause.

 

[HUGGY]

Look. If God DID exist, why is there Huggy in this world?

He should have smited me long ago at the very least. This "god" entity if in fact exists is a loser. My life has hung in the balance dozens of times...If this "god" is serious he would have barely had to lift a finger to send me packing... Gods track record and quality of performance is dismal.

I wouldn't hire your god to flip burgers or mow the lawn.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Look. If God DID exist, why is there Huggy in this world?

He should have smited me long ago at the very least. This "god" entity if in fact exists is a loser. My life has hung in the balance dozens of times...If this "god" is serious he would have barely had to lift a finger to send me packing... Gods track record and quality of performance is dismal.

I wouldn't hire your god to flip burgers or mow the lawn.

Some folks (perhaps more intelligent, less arrogant ones) could look at that very same "evidence" and contemplate the possibility that God doesn't mete out "justice" in our here and now -- and that, if anything, maybe their continued existence on planet Earth is a testament to the beneficence of God.

I don't think God would take any lawn mowing gig from you anyway.

 

[HUGGY]

Look. If God DID exist, why is there Huggy in this world?

He should have smited me long ago at the very least. This "god" entity if in fact exists is a loser. My life has hung in the balance dozens of times...If this "god" is serious he would have barely had to lift a finger to send me packing... Gods track record and quality of performance is dismal.

I wouldn't hire your god to flip burgers or mow the lawn.

Some folks (perhaps more intelligent, less arrogant ones) could look at that very same "evidence" and contemplate the possibility that God doesn't mete out "justice" in our here and now -- and that, if anything, maybe their continued existence on planet Earth is a testament to the beneficence of God.

I don't think God would take any lawn mowing gig from you anyway.

If there ever was a "god's country" worth mowing it would be the front yard of the farm I grew up on.

Pebble Cove Farm (Orcas Island, WA) - Hotel Reviews - TripAdvisor

God would have to look far and wide to find a nicer yard to mow...

Just sayin...

True story.