Only in Alabama

[Vastator]

Well folks we are now seeing the madness of the right and their overzealous contempt for Mothers and their freedom..


Washington (AFP) - An American woman who miscarried after being shot five times has been charged by Alabama authorities in the death of her fetus, a move abortion rights groups condemned on Thursday.

The arrest of Marshae Jones came amid heightened tensions around abortion after more than a dozen states in the southern and midwestern United States, including Alabama, passed restrictive abortion laws that are currently being challenged in court.

"Marshae Jones was indicted for manslaughter for losing a pregnancy after being shot in the abdomen five times. Her shooter remains free. We're going to get Marshae out of jail," tweeted The Yellowhammer Fund, an Alabama-based group that gives financial help to people seeking abortions.
Shot American woman who miscarried faces homicide charge

" "It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby," he added."

She was shot while in the car. What next are they going to put everyone in jail and prison what a pg female has a drink. How long can one have sex when pregnant. What is one gets Hiv or a STD while being pg.???

I am more interested in the woman with the gun, did he have a permit? Did she have to fire a gun in the gut of a pg female that she was fighting with over a man. Could not she of aimed the gun to a different part of her body.

I suspect she wanted, (the girl with the gun) wanted to end the fetuses life.

Typical libtard! When will you realize that in 99.9% of America, permits are NOT required for guns because they are unconstitutional? Also, a woman is not referred to as "he" except in a libtard's world."

Correcting pronouns, its the teacher you, I guess!
Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
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It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

In 2016, Pleasant Grove police took a stand to protect the fetus of a pregnant drug user by keeping the woman in jail.

But authorities from Pleasant Grove and the Bessemer District Attorney’s Office wound up in a standoff with UAB Hospital over care for pregnant inmates. Pleasant Grove police Reid requested no bond for a pregnant drug user, in order to hold her in jail to prevent drug use before the baby’s birth.

"I'm doing my damndest to try to prevent any further damage to this child, since it's obvious the mother doesn't seem to care,'' Reid said in that case.

Medical experts from the hospital argued the move would keep the woman from getting proper treatment and could potentially cause major complications such as miscarriage. The inmate’s doctor requested her release to a drug treatment facility, but Reid lobbied for jail instead, arguing that the facility couldn’t force her to stay.

A judge sided with Reid and former District Attorney Bill Veitch, but doctors refused to discharge the patient back to jail. Doctors instead kept her in the hospital for seven months.

Reid made it clear he felt law enforcement should protect fetuses from the actions of their mothers, and vigorously prosecute any perceived harm inflicted by the mother.

"The mother's heroin addiction is more compelling to her than the health and welfare of this unborn child,'' he said. "But make no mistake, sad or not, law enforcement will hold this mother accountable and vigorously defend and protect the well-being of the child, who is innocent of all of this and simply struggling for life."

Reid said Pleasant Grove, a community of about 10,000 people in west Jefferson County, has grappled with high rates of opioid addiction. He took a special interest in cases involving pregnant women.

The arrest of Raven West, who suffered a stillbirth in 2016 after using heroin, gave him another opportunity to speak out.

"We see it every day, but I will not excuse them for their self-described 'disease' of addiction when an innocent life is threatened," Reid said in 2016. "I'm so proud to work with [former] District Attorney Bill Veitch, who understands the need for protecting these innocent children, even arguing the cases himself. We must not, and we will not, stop fighting this."

Reid and Veitch sought a long sentence for West, up to 99 years, in that case. Both West and another mother, Alexandra Laird, faced multiple charges of chemical endangerment, the law used to prosecute mothers who take drugs during pregnancy. Such charges were relatively rare in Jefferson County, based on 2015 analysis by Al.com and ProPublica – but it’s not uncommon for such cases to emerge in geographic pockets, according to criminal defense attorney Brian White.


“These sorts of ideologically-driven prosecutions tend to have clusters,” White said. “When chemical endangerment cases started happening with pregnant women, they first appeared most often in Marshall, Morgan and Lauderdale counties. The DA’s offices in bigger cities tended to have a lot fewer.”

White said the manslaughter charges filed against Jones were “crazy,” but also said he wasn’t shocked to see an effort by law enforcement to stretch criminal law to punish a mother who lost a pregnancy.

“This is a situation where the charges were dropped against the shooter,” White said. “Obviously they felt someone should be punished, so they tried to fit a square peg in a round hole by using this charge against the mother.”

Woman charged over gunshot miscarriage not Pleasant Grove’s first case against pregnant women

This Reid guy is a goddamned control freak of the worst kind and he should NOT be in any position of authority anywhere.
IMO

Talk about Commanders of the Faithful.

Actually he is very popular in the community he serves.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yes, the crazy world of Religious Nuttery is a lot closer than we think. Let's look at this case.

A shooting ended Marshae Jones’s pregnancy. Police say it’s her fault.

In Alabama, a black woman is facing criminal charges after being shot in the stomach and having a miscarriage. The story has drawn national attention and outrage from reproductive rights groups who argue that the incident is a disturbing example of the mistreatment and criminalization of low-income pregnant women of color.

On Wednesday, Marshae Jones, a 27-year-old woman from Birmingham, was taken into police custody after being indicted in Jefferson County on a manslaughter charge. She is currently being held on a $50,000 bond.

In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

“Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.” Alabama is one of 38 states with a fetal homicide law that recognizes a fetus as a potential victim of a crime against a pregnant woman.

When the indictment was reported on Wednesday, it immediately raised questions about why the woman who was shot was the one charged.

So we live in a gun-crazy culture where a fetus has more rights than the woman it is inside. How could anything go wrong?

Nothing the reprehensible, authoritarian right does surprises anymore.

 

[OldLady]

Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
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It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

Pleasant Grove isn't a "hick town" at all. Its a major suburban community in metropolitan Birmingham- the largest city in Alabama

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

 

[2aguy]

Pleasant Grove isn't a "hick town" at all. Its a major suburban community in metropolitan Birmingham- the largest city in Alabama

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

Look......what part of the fact that the pregnant woman violently attacked the other woman are you not freaking understanding? Are you really that dense?

 

[OldLady]

" "It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby," he added."

She was shot while in the car. What next are they going to put everyone in jail and prison what a pg female has a drink. How long can one have sex when pregnant. What is one gets Hiv or a STD while being pg.???

I am more interested in the woman with the gun, did he have a permit? Did she have to fire a gun in the gut of a pg female that she was fighting with over a man. Could not she of aimed the gun to a different part of her body.

I suspect she wanted, (the girl with the gun) wanted to end the fetuses life.

Typical libtard! When will you realize that in 99.9% of America, permits are NOT required for guns because they are unconstitutional? Also, a woman is not referred to as "he" except in a libtard's world."

Correcting pronouns, its the teacher you, I guess!
Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

In 2016, Pleasant Grove police took a stand to protect the fetus of a pregnant drug user by keeping the woman in jail.

But authorities from Pleasant Grove and the Bessemer District Attorney’s Office wound up in a standoff with UAB Hospital over care for pregnant inmates. Pleasant Grove police Reid requested no bond for a pregnant drug user, in order to hold her in jail to prevent drug use before the baby’s birth.

"I'm doing my damndest to try to prevent any further damage to this child, since it's obvious the mother doesn't seem to care,'' Reid said in that case.

Medical experts from the hospital argued the move would keep the woman from getting proper treatment and could potentially cause major complications such as miscarriage. The inmate’s doctor requested her release to a drug treatment facility, but Reid lobbied for jail instead, arguing that the facility couldn’t force her to stay.

A judge sided with Reid and former District Attorney Bill Veitch, but doctors refused to discharge the patient back to jail. Doctors instead kept her in the hospital for seven months.

Reid made it clear he felt law enforcement should protect fetuses from the actions of their mothers, and vigorously prosecute any perceived harm inflicted by the mother.

"The mother's heroin addiction is more compelling to her than the health and welfare of this unborn child,'' he said. "But make no mistake, sad or not, law enforcement will hold this mother accountable and vigorously defend and protect the well-being of the child, who is innocent of all of this and simply struggling for life."

Reid said Pleasant Grove, a community of about 10,000 people in west Jefferson County, has grappled with high rates of opioid addiction. He took a special interest in cases involving pregnant women.

The arrest of Raven West, who suffered a stillbirth in 2016 after using heroin, gave him another opportunity to speak out.

"We see it every day, but I will not excuse them for their self-described 'disease' of addiction when an innocent life is threatened," Reid said in 2016. "I'm so proud to work with [former] District Attorney Bill Veitch, who understands the need for protecting these innocent children, even arguing the cases himself. We must not, and we will not, stop fighting this."

Reid and Veitch sought a long sentence for West, up to 99 years, in that case. Both West and another mother, Alexandra Laird, faced multiple charges of chemical endangerment, the law used to prosecute mothers who take drugs during pregnancy. Such charges were relatively rare in Jefferson County, based on 2015 analysis by Al.com and ProPublica – but it’s not uncommon for such cases to emerge in geographic pockets, according to criminal defense attorney Brian White.


“These sorts of ideologically-driven prosecutions tend to have clusters,” White said. “When chemical endangerment cases started happening with pregnant women, they first appeared most often in Marshall, Morgan and Lauderdale counties. The DA’s offices in bigger cities tended to have a lot fewer.”

White said the manslaughter charges filed against Jones were “crazy,” but also said he wasn’t shocked to see an effort by law enforcement to stretch criminal law to punish a mother who lost a pregnancy.

“This is a situation where the charges were dropped against the shooter,” White said. “Obviously they felt someone should be punished, so they tried to fit a square peg in a round hole by using this charge against the mother.”

Woman charged over gunshot miscarriage not Pleasant Grove’s first case against pregnant women

This Reid guy is a goddamned control freak of the worst kind and he should NOT be in any position of authority anywhere.
IMO

Talk about Commanders of the Faithful.

Actually he is very popular in the community he serves.

You probably think Trump is very popular too, don't you?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yes, the crazy world of Religious Nuttery is a lot closer than we think. Let's look at this case.

A shooting ended Marshae Jones’s pregnancy. Police say it’s her fault.

In Alabama, a black woman is facing criminal charges after being shot in the stomach and having a miscarriage. The story has drawn national attention and outrage from reproductive rights groups who argue that the incident is a disturbing example of the mistreatment and criminalization of low-income pregnant women of color.

On Wednesday, Marshae Jones, a 27-year-old woman from Birmingham, was taken into police custody after being indicted in Jefferson County on a manslaughter charge. She is currently being held on a $50,000 bond.

In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

“Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.” Alabama is one of 38 states with a fetal homicide law that recognizes a fetus as a potential victim of a crime against a pregnant woman.

When the indictment was reported on Wednesday, it immediately raised questions about why the woman who was shot was the one charged.

So we live in a gun-crazy culture where a fetus has more rights than the woman it is inside. How could anything go wrong?

Nothing the reprehensible, authoritarian right does surprises anymore.

Says the party of baby killing and "free" health care for invaders

 

[2aguy]

Yes, the crazy world of Religious Nuttery is a lot closer than we think. Let's look at this case.

A shooting ended Marshae Jones’s pregnancy. Police say it’s her fault.

In Alabama, a black woman is facing criminal charges after being shot in the stomach and having a miscarriage. The story has drawn national attention and outrage from reproductive rights groups who argue that the incident is a disturbing example of the mistreatment and criminalization of low-income pregnant women of color.

On Wednesday, Marshae Jones, a 27-year-old woman from Birmingham, was taken into police custody after being indicted in Jefferson County on a manslaughter charge. She is currently being held on a $50,000 bond.

In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

“Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.” Alabama is one of 38 states with a fetal homicide law that recognizes a fetus as a potential victim of a crime against a pregnant woman.

When the indictment was reported on Wednesday, it immediately raised questions about why the woman who was shot was the one charged.

So we live in a gun-crazy culture where a fetus has more rights than the woman it is inside. How could anything go wrong?

Nothing the reprehensible, authoritarian right does surprises anymore.

Says the party of bank killing and "free" health care for invaders

Don't forget baby killing, up to the moment of birth.....and according to the democrat governor who wore blackface.....even after birth.....

They are crossing ever deeper from mental illness to evil...

 

[Penelope]

I'm wondering if this whole event with this baby dying would have even occurred if Alabama wasn't forced to remove the 10 commandments from their courthouses?

If this young lady and the shooter would have read them, maybe they wouldn't have got into this kind of violent melee.

Why use the law of Moses when the laws of America state the same?

The 10 commandments came from Almighty God, and that gives them a lot more cachet with God Fearing people.

Take the 10 commandments and put them along with the bible in your

Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

Pleasant Grove isn't a "hick town" at all. Its a major suburban community in metropolitan Birmingham- the largest city in Alabama

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

-------------------------------- and even HICK'S have the Absolute RIGHT to protect themselves from Rabid and pregnant attacking women Penny .

How are you attacking someone when in a car, and this woman got up to the window of the car and shot her in the stomach?? It does not sound like the shooter shot her in defense of her life.

 

[Meathead]

Pleasant Grove isn't a "hick town" at all. Its a major suburban community in metropolitan Birmingham- the largest city in Alabama

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

For a prig, you have a lot of tolerance for the skank.

 

[Penelope]

Yes, the crazy world of Religious Nuttery is a lot closer than we think. Let's look at this case.

A shooting ended Marshae Jones’s pregnancy. Police say it’s her fault.

In Alabama, a black woman is facing criminal charges after being shot in the stomach and having a miscarriage. The story has drawn national attention and outrage from reproductive rights groups who argue that the incident is a disturbing example of the mistreatment and criminalization of low-income pregnant women of color.

On Wednesday, Marshae Jones, a 27-year-old woman from Birmingham, was taken into police custody after being indicted in Jefferson County on a manslaughter charge. She is currently being held on a $50,000 bond.

In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

“Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.” Alabama is one of 38 states with a fetal homicide law that recognizes a fetus as a potential victim of a crime against a pregnant woman.

When the indictment was reported on Wednesday, it immediately raised questions about why the woman who was shot was the one charged.

So we live in a gun-crazy culture where a fetus has more rights than the woman it is inside. How could anything go wrong?

Nothing the reprehensible, authoritarian right does surprises anymore.

Says the party of bank killing and "free" health care for invaders

Don't forget baby killing, up to the moment of birth.....and according to the democrat governor who wore blackface.....even after birth.....

They are crossing ever deeper from mental illness to evil...

When a female is ready to give birth the only ways she dies is giving birth you moron.

Also the woman with the gun shot the pg woman when in a car and shot her in the gut, how did she manage that??

 

[Vastator]

Pleasant Grove isn't a "hick town" at all. Its a major suburban community in metropolitan Birmingham- the largest city in Alabama

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

That's only normal in states that haven't sold out their humanity. Here we protect children, and have the right to defend ourselves.

 

[Coyote]

The real facts are out there and actually on this board. She attacked the other woman, they were in a car, she was beating the crap out of the other woman and she pulled her gun in self defense. If the pregnant woman had not been the aggressor, that child would probably be alive today.

again, searched to see if anyone else was commenting on this subject, and no one else was.

So she couldn't outrun a pregnant woman? Shooting her was the only recourse she had?

And fetus does not make it less a baby. It is a term used to distinguish pre birth vs after birth. And used by those pro choice to make it seem unlike a baby, but it is.

Fetuses aren't viable, so they aren't babies.

iIt marks a continued assault against a woman's rights to her own body. These loons feel fetal rights are greater than a woman's. Eventualy we will have tbe fetal police squad examing every miscarriage for suspected foul play and zygot abuse. Rape victims will be forced to house unwanted organisms inside their bodies and incur the pain, expense and heartbreak.

 

[Vastator]

She was shot while in the car. What next are they going to put everyone in jail and prison what a pg female has a drink. How long can one have sex when pregnant. What is one gets Hiv or a STD while being pg.???

I am more interested in the woman with the gun, did he have a permit? Did she have to fire a gun in the gut of a pg female that she was fighting with over a man. Could not she of aimed the gun to a different part of her body.

I suspect she wanted, (the girl with the gun) wanted to end the fetuses life.

Typical libtard! When will you realize that in 99.9% of America, permits are NOT required for guns because they are unconstitutional? Also, a woman is not referred to as "he" except in a libtard's world."

Correcting pronouns, its the teacher you, I guess!
Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

In 2016, Pleasant Grove police took a stand to protect the fetus of a pregnant drug user by keeping the woman in jail.

But authorities from Pleasant Grove and the Bessemer District Attorney’s Office wound up in a standoff with UAB Hospital over care for pregnant inmates. Pleasant Grove police Reid requested no bond for a pregnant drug user, in order to hold her in jail to prevent drug use before the baby’s birth.

"I'm doing my damndest to try to prevent any further damage to this child, since it's obvious the mother doesn't seem to care,'' Reid said in that case.

Medical experts from the hospital argued the move would keep the woman from getting proper treatment and could potentially cause major complications such as miscarriage. The inmate’s doctor requested her release to a drug treatment facility, but Reid lobbied for jail instead, arguing that the facility couldn’t force her to stay.

A judge sided with Reid and former District Attorney Bill Veitch, but doctors refused to discharge the patient back to jail. Doctors instead kept her in the hospital for seven months.

Reid made it clear he felt law enforcement should protect fetuses from the actions of their mothers, and vigorously prosecute any perceived harm inflicted by the mother.

"The mother's heroin addiction is more compelling to her than the health and welfare of this unborn child,'' he said. "But make no mistake, sad or not, law enforcement will hold this mother accountable and vigorously defend and protect the well-being of the child, who is innocent of all of this and simply struggling for life."

Reid said Pleasant Grove, a community of about 10,000 people in west Jefferson County, has grappled with high rates of opioid addiction. He took a special interest in cases involving pregnant women.

The arrest of Raven West, who suffered a stillbirth in 2016 after using heroin, gave him another opportunity to speak out.

"We see it every day, but I will not excuse them for their self-described 'disease' of addiction when an innocent life is threatened," Reid said in 2016. "I'm so proud to work with [former] District Attorney Bill Veitch, who understands the need for protecting these innocent children, even arguing the cases himself. We must not, and we will not, stop fighting this."

Reid and Veitch sought a long sentence for West, up to 99 years, in that case. Both West and another mother, Alexandra Laird, faced multiple charges of chemical endangerment, the law used to prosecute mothers who take drugs during pregnancy. Such charges were relatively rare in Jefferson County, based on 2015 analysis by Al.com and ProPublica – but it’s not uncommon for such cases to emerge in geographic pockets, according to criminal defense attorney Brian White.


“These sorts of ideologically-driven prosecutions tend to have clusters,” White said. “When chemical endangerment cases started happening with pregnant women, they first appeared most often in Marshall, Morgan and Lauderdale counties. The DA’s offices in bigger cities tended to have a lot fewer.”

White said the manslaughter charges filed against Jones were “crazy,” but also said he wasn’t shocked to see an effort by law enforcement to stretch criminal law to punish a mother who lost a pregnancy.

“This is a situation where the charges were dropped against the shooter,” White said. “Obviously they felt someone should be punished, so they tried to fit a square peg in a round hole by using this charge against the mother.”

Woman charged over gunshot miscarriage not Pleasant Grove’s first case against pregnant women

This Reid guy is a goddamned control freak of the worst kind and he should NOT be in any position of authority anywhere.
IMO

Talk about Commanders of the Faithful.

Actually he is very popular in the community he serves.

You probably think Trump is very popular too, don't you?

His popularity really won't be a factor for another year. But yeah. Around these parts he is.

 

[pismoe]

She was shot while in the car. What next are they going to put everyone in jail and prison what a pg female has a drink. How long can one have sex when pregnant. What is one gets Hiv or a STD while being pg.???

I am more interested in the woman with the gun, did he have a permit? Did she have to fire a gun in the gut of a pg female that she was fighting with over a man. Could not she of aimed the gun to a different part of her body.

I suspect she wanted, (the girl with the gun) wanted to end the fetuses life.

Typical libtard! When will you realize that in 99.9% of America, permits are NOT required for guns because they are unconstitutional? Also, a woman is not referred to as "he" except in a libtard's world."

Correcting pronouns, its the teacher you, I guess!
Seems the arresting officer in this little hick town has a thing for pg females and most likely so does the grand jury. Nothing will come of it, except the woman's whose fetus got shot dead will probably do through a nightmare and she is no longer pg, I bet the other female is happy, since they were fighting about the father of said fetus.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It’s not the first controversial stance Lt. Reid’s taken in cases involving pregnant women.

In 2016, Pleasant Grove police took a stand to protect the fetus of a pregnant drug user by keeping the woman in jail.

But authorities from Pleasant Grove and the Bessemer District Attorney’s Office wound up in a standoff with UAB Hospital over care for pregnant inmates. Pleasant Grove police Reid requested no bond for a pregnant drug user, in order to hold her in jail to prevent drug use before the baby’s birth.

"I'm doing my damndest to try to prevent any further damage to this child, since it's obvious the mother doesn't seem to care,'' Reid said in that case.

Medical experts from the hospital argued the move would keep the woman from getting proper treatment and could potentially cause major complications such as miscarriage. The inmate’s doctor requested her release to a drug treatment facility, but Reid lobbied for jail instead, arguing that the facility couldn’t force her to stay.

A judge sided with Reid and former District Attorney Bill Veitch, but doctors refused to discharge the patient back to jail. Doctors instead kept her in the hospital for seven months.

Reid made it clear he felt law enforcement should protect fetuses from the actions of their mothers, and vigorously prosecute any perceived harm inflicted by the mother.

"The mother's heroin addiction is more compelling to her than the health and welfare of this unborn child,'' he said. "But make no mistake, sad or not, law enforcement will hold this mother accountable and vigorously defend and protect the well-being of the child, who is innocent of all of this and simply struggling for life."

Reid said Pleasant Grove, a community of about 10,000 people in west Jefferson County, has grappled with high rates of opioid addiction. He took a special interest in cases involving pregnant women.

The arrest of Raven West, who suffered a stillbirth in 2016 after using heroin, gave him another opportunity to speak out.

"We see it every day, but I will not excuse them for their self-described 'disease' of addiction when an innocent life is threatened," Reid said in 2016. "I'm so proud to work with [former] District Attorney Bill Veitch, who understands the need for protecting these innocent children, even arguing the cases himself. We must not, and we will not, stop fighting this."

Reid and Veitch sought a long sentence for West, up to 99 years, in that case. Both West and another mother, Alexandra Laird, faced multiple charges of chemical endangerment, the law used to prosecute mothers who take drugs during pregnancy. Such charges were relatively rare in Jefferson County, based on 2015 analysis by Al.com and ProPublica – but it’s not uncommon for such cases to emerge in geographic pockets, according to criminal defense attorney Brian White.


“These sorts of ideologically-driven prosecutions tend to have clusters,” White said. “When chemical endangerment cases started happening with pregnant women, they first appeared most often in Marshall, Morgan and Lauderdale counties. The DA’s offices in bigger cities tended to have a lot fewer.”

White said the manslaughter charges filed against Jones were “crazy,” but also said he wasn’t shocked to see an effort by law enforcement to stretch criminal law to punish a mother who lost a pregnancy.

“This is a situation where the charges were dropped against the shooter,” White said. “Obviously they felt someone should be punished, so they tried to fit a square peg in a round hole by using this charge against the mother.”

Woman charged over gunshot miscarriage not Pleasant Grove’s first case against pregnant women

This Reid guy is a goddamned control freak of the worst kind and he should NOT be in any position of authority anywhere.
IMO

Talk about Commanders of the Faithful.

Actually he is very popular in the community he serves.

You probably think Trump is very popular too, don't you?

--------------------------------------- he is popular with ME and other normal American Deplorables OldLady .

 

[beautress]

Don't start fights with people...

Pretty simple concept.

It gets worse for you when they have a gun.

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There are other concepts out there, my friend Pete. And my grandma said "It takes TWO to tango!"

 

[OldLady]

Sure sounds like a hick town with lots of hicks in it.

hick
/hik/
noun
informal•North American
noun: hick; plural noun: hicks

1. a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or provincial.
   "wondering what a hick from the sticks was doing there"
   synonyms: bumpkin, country bumpkin, yokel, rustic, country dweller, peasant, provincial, country cousin; More

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

Look......what part of the fact that the pregnant woman violently attacked the other woman are you not freaking understanding? Are you really that dense?

At some point, you have to take a step back and look at the overall picture. You are wilfully blind to that. And since when does hairpulling and scratching require shooting anyone? I read the article all the way through and there was no mention of a deadly weapon by anyone but Reid's friend.

 

[Vastator]

The real facts are out there and actually on this board. She attacked the other woman, they were in a car, she was beating the crap out of the other woman and she pulled her gun in self defense. If the pregnant woman had not been the aggressor, that child would probably be alive today.

again, searched to see if anyone else was commenting on this subject, and no one else was.

So she couldn't outrun a pregnant woman? Shooting her was the only recourse she had?

And fetus does not make it less a baby. It is a term used to distinguish pre birth vs after birth. And used by those pro choice to make it seem unlike a baby, but it is.

Fetuses aren't viable, so they aren't babies.

iIt marks a continued assault against a woman's rights to her own body. These loons feel fetal rights are greater than a woman's. Eventualy we will have tbe fetal police squad examing every miscarriage for suspected foul play and zygot abuse. Rape victims will be forced to house unwanted organisms inside their bodies and incur the pain, expense and heartbreak.

At what point does not allowing a woman to kill someone else, constitute an assault on that woman? Do explain that one. Don't worry. We'll wait...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

eiIt marks a continued assault against a woman's rights to her own body. These loons feel fetal rights are greater than a woman's. Eventualy we will have tbe fetal police squad examing every miscarriage for suspected foul play and zygot abuse. Rape victims will be forced to house unwanted organisms inside their bodies and incur the pain, expense and heartbreak.

In the case of (oops) accidental pregnancy.....
What an arrogant load of feces.
Think ONLY of yourself. Don't give ANY thought to the independent LIFE inside that most likely wants to survive as well.
Who gives a shit? right? Hey, you had your "fun".....abort so you can do it again...YEEE HAW!

In cases of rape there should be an option..but ONLY for a limited time.
And the rapist should either be executed if the child is aborted, or forced to work on a work farm with all proceeds going to the mother till the child is at least 25.

 

[Vastator]

Don't start fights with people...

Pretty simple concept.

It gets worse for you when they have a gun.

.

There are other concepts out there, my friend Pete. And my grandma said "It takes TWO to tango!"

So pick your "dance partner" carefully...

 

[pismoe]

It sounds that way because you have your head stuck up your ass...

No, its a backwards hick town, which a cop who has it out for pg women.

It's the law. And a rather large section of a big city. If you don't like that we protect children from drug abuse by their parents, too bad. That's your struggle. We don't require your input or consent to govern ourselves. We do just fine without you.

He managed to imprison her for her whole pregnancy, while meanwhile he allowed a woman to shoot a pregnant woman in the belly five times and walk away without so much as a ticket.

Yeah, tell me that's all normal and shit.

Look......what part of the fact that the pregnant woman violently attacked the other woman are you not freaking understanding? Are you really that dense?

At some point, you have to take a step back and look at the overall picture. You are wilfully blind to that. And since when does hairpulling and scratching require shooting anyone? I read the article all the way through and there was no mention of a deadly weapon by anyone but Reid's friend.

--------------------------------------- seems to me that an ATTACK is an attack so might as well STOP the attack OldLady ,