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There'd be nothing wrong with Trump hiring a law firm to contract with a private for hire firm/person to do research, here or abroad AND disclosed it in campaign finance. It's is different if he accepted intelligence directly from a foreign state or individual, and didn't report it to the cops. That is illegal.She paid an American law firm, dope.
They hired Fusion GPS who in turn hired Orbis, Steele's firm.
OK. You're sticking to the theory that the use of strawmen in the transaction absolves her and her campaign. Do you see any problems with that?
I dunno. If Trump used information from a foreign actor in a debate or … as I think you say … an ad …. that would be impeachable.The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he isYeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.
The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
No my dear young idiot, money laundering is when a Russian oligarch pays you $98 million dollars for a property you had listed with no offers for 2 years at $50 million, in October of 2008.
He actually had it listed at $125M, but don't let facts slow down your conspiracy theories - you're fun to watch.
Unlike the Steele dossier, which the Russians gave to Hillary, how would Trump use anything that wasn't factual?Not only Russia but ANY country hoping for the downfall of America I'd lmao if China came up with something to embarrass Rump and gave it to the Dem candidateTrump knows he can not win the 2020 election without the same kind of help he got from Russia in the 2016 election. That is why he is inviting Putin ro help him again.
I think President Trump is playing the libs in a well orchestrated plan here.
He knows what's in the classified documents that are being revealed, he knows what's happening with the Durham investigation, and he knew what kind of conniption the left would have when he made his statement.
I think the other shoe will drop soon enough.
I'm having difficulty reconciling the meaning of that sentence. What's your point?
The poster was arguing that Trump accepting opposition research information from foreign nationals would be illegal.
My question was why wouldn't it be illegal to pay for opposition research information from foreign nationals?
?? She paid a foreign national (Steele) for information (disinformation?) from foreign nationals (Russians)Well unless you are arguing that Hilary is a foreign national I think the difference speaks for itself.Honest question. How do you reconcile that law and Hillary paying for the Steele dossier?Thats a good lemming. Keep denying reality.
No SHE didn't. SHE didn't have contact with the researcher (Steele). Nor did she have contact with his sources. Steele was contracted and paid by Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS contracted with and was paid by the law firm. Hillary had no contact nor did she pay with ANYONE associated with the information contained in the OR.
That you consistenly fail to see that difference shows what a complete dupe you are. Trump was contracting with Russian agents for information. That he didn't know they were Russian agents is the ONLY reason there were no indictments filed for conspiracy.
And you have to ask yourself why a sworn enemy of the United States of America was willing to invest so much time and money into sabatoging the election of Hillary Clinton, and ensuring the election of Donald Trump. Can anyone honestly say that Putin thought Trump would be a better President for America? That he thought Trump would be strong and stand up for America? Or did he think that Trump was an easily manipulated and lead fool who admired him and would do anything for his approval?
Putin didn't want a Trump Presidency for YOU. He wanted it to do as much damage as possible to your country.
?? She paid a foreign national (Steele) for information (disinformation?) from foreign nationals (Russians)Well unless you are arguing that Hilary is a foreign national I think the difference speaks for itself.Honest question. How do you reconcile that law and Hillary paying for the Steele dossier?Thats a good lemming. Keep denying reality.
No SHE didn't. SHE didn't have contact with the researcher (Steele). Nor did she have contact with his sources. Steele was contracted and paid by Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS contracted with and was paid by the law firm. Hillary had no contact nor did she pay with ANYONE associated with the information contained in the OR.
That you consistenly fail to see that difference shows what a complete dupe you are. Trump was contracting with Russian agents for information. That he didn't know they were Russian agents is the ONLY reason there were no indictments filed for conspiracy.
And you have to ask yourself why a sworn enemy of the United States of America was willing to invest so much time and money into sabatoging the election of Hillary Clinton, and ensuring the election of Donald Trump. Can anyone honestly say that Putin thought Trump would be a better President for America? That he thought Trump would be strong and stand up for America? Or did he think that Trump was an easily manipulated and lead fool who admired him and would do anything for his approval?
Putin didn't want a Trump Presidency for YOU. He wanted it to do as much damage as possible to your country.
It would probably be political blackmail. For example, a congressmen get's evidence that Trump is getting help from a foreign power who is attempting to interfere in the election. The congressmen agrees to bury the evidence if Trump supports his bill in Congress.Two questions. 1) Can you explain how the blackmail thing works? For example, a Ukrainian official brings evidence of wrongdoing by Biden to the Trump campaign, which releases it to the public, how is Trump going to be blackmailed?Did I ever say it's okay? What I said. Specifically said, is that you don't accept information from foreign nations if they offer it to your campaign. If you do you, running for office. You expose yourself to blackmail. You will find only ONE example of an incumbent doing otherwise. Trump. No Obama didn't and no Clinton didn't. What at worst they did was hire firms who do opposition research. Those firms create isolation for the incumbents so they can NOT be blackmailed. It's both unethical but only one compromises you.
What I also said is that it's a logical fallacy. Like this one is. This one is the strawman argument. You misrepresent my position because you have no actual retort to my real one.
2) Are you arguing that it's OK to use the strawmen of a law firm and GPS to obtain opposition research from a foreign national, but you can't accept it directly form the foreign national?
Absolves her of what? The Clinton campaign and the DNC were paying for opposition research.
When Steele realized he had found far more than that, he contacted the FBI.
Do you know if either the Clinton campaign or the DNC ever acually received a completed copy of the dossier? Did they use it in any way?
There'd be nothing wrong with Trump hiring a law firm to contract with a private for hire firm/person to do research, here or abroad AND disclosed it in campaign finance. It's is different if he accepted intelligence directly from a foreign state or individual, and didn't report it to the cops. That is illegal.She paid an American law firm, dope.
They hired Fusion GPS who in turn hired Orbis, Steele's firm.
OK. You're sticking to the theory that the use of strawmen in the transaction absolves her and her campaign. Do you see any problems with that?
The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent and it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of a foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he isYeah, Trump is terrible. Next he'll be paying Russia for a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Dem nominee.
The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
It would probably be political blackmail. For example, a congressmen get's evidence that Trump is getting help from a foreign power who is attempting to interfere in the election. The congressmen agrees to bury the evidence if Trump supports his bill in Congress.
It is illegal to take anything of value from overseas to help in an election. It is not illegal to purchase research from overseas … so long as the expenditure is disclosed.There'd be nothing wrong with Trump hiring a law firm to contract with a private for hire firm/person to do research, here or abroad AND disclosed it in campaign finance. It's is different if he accepted intelligence directly from a foreign state or individual, and didn't report it to the cops. That is illegal.She paid an American law firm, dope.
They hired Fusion GPS who in turn hired Orbis, Steele's firm.
OK. You're sticking to the theory that the use of strawmen in the transaction absolves her and her campaign. Do you see any problems with that?
Hmmm. So the difference is that he paid for it? Or the use of the strawmen?
The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent and it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of a foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is
The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
All of the "thing of value" criteria is met by the Trump Tower meeting.
The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent and it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of a foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is
The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
All of the "thing of value" criteria is met by the Trump Tower meeting.
Absolves her of what? The Clinton campaign and the DNC were paying for opposition research.
When Steele realized he had found far more than that, he contacted the FBI.
Do you know if either the Clinton campaign or the DNC ever acually received a completed copy of the dossier? Did they use it in any way?
I think it would have been helpful if Mueller looked into that during his investigation of Russian interference in the election. Perhaps AG Barr's new investigation will have some answers. Rumor has it that they are talking to Steele soon.
The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent and it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of a foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.Trump is unamerican He would accept help from foreign countries and not call FBI and republicans are fn swine for not calling the pos what he is
The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
All of the "thing of value" criteria is met by the Trump Tower meeting.
Read the fucking article, troll.
The contribution must have monetary value. And that is where it does get tricky. If Putin just offers Trump damaging information about his opponent and it has no monetary value then the law does not apply. If it can be shown that the information helps the campaign raise donations, the law does apply or if there is quid pro quo agreement then that can be a violation of other laws. If the person offering the information is a citizen of a foreign power and it can be shown that he is acting as agent of that government then that person must be registered as agent of a foreign country. If they are not, that is a violation of law.That depends on what that help is. It's illegal for the campaign to accept contributions or anything of monetary value from a foreign source. However, if Putin calls up his old buddy in the White House and says I've got some good shit on Biden. That's perfectly legal. If a deal is struck, then that can be illegal. If that shit helps the candidate raise money for the campaign, then it can argued that's its illegal. In other words, it can get tricky.The thing is it's ILLEGAL to take help from a foreign nation for an election.
trump; broke the law when he took Russia's help in 2016, then lied about it, and has proudly said he will break the law again.
The man belongs in prison not our White House.
The law is 52 U.S.C. 30121 and it clearly states the following, notice it says directly or indirectly money or other thing of value.
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a)ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
According to the law it doesn't have to be money and they don't have to actually take it. It just has to be offered.
So it's really not that tricky and from the language of the law, trump and his campaign broke that law in 2016 and trump said today he would break that law again for the upcoming election.
The most serious crimes would likely come from a cover up, bribes, lying to federal agents, obstruction of justice, etc.
All of the "thing of value" criteria is met by the Trump Tower meeting.
Well, Trump's story was the Russian spy didn't actually offer anything useful, and Jared and the boychinOne walked out on the meeting without making any deal for future info.
Personally I think there's a good chance Stone and Corsi destroyed any evidence of emails to either Russia or Assange, and Mueller didn't get there fast enough.
His partner was a Russian named Skirpal, and was a Russian Spy, so Clinton and Obama were dealing directly with Russians.Absolves her of what? The Clinton campaign and the DNC were paying for opposition research.
When Steele realized he had found far more than that, he contacted the FBI.
Do you know if either the Clinton campaign or the DNC ever acually received a completed copy of the dossier? Did they use it in any way?
I think it would have been helpful if Mueller looked into that during his investigation of Russian interference in the election. Perhaps AG Barr's new investigation will have some answers. Rumor has it that they are talking to Steele soon.
Mueller was not tasked to look at that. Why would he? A former British intel officer sharing intel with the US is neither uncommon nor suspicious.
I encourage you to gain a perspective other than the trumpian narratives.
Christopher Steele, the Man Behind the Trump Dossier
