Over 16.3 million Americans now carry guns for self defense, the murder rate dropped another 2.5%...

[Jarlaxle]

JGalt, post: 18153501

I mostly carry it open and in plain view to piss off the liberals.

Feel like a real man do ya? Your self professed reason for carrying a loaded firearm in public shows your purpose is to express political hatred.

That is irresponsible on your part making you more a danger to public safety than whatever you believe the good that could come from carrying that weapon.

I see you clowns walking into a McDonald's or something and my first thought is I hope this jerk is mentally stable and not in some kind of rage after his wife or girlfriend dumped his ass for someone that isn't also carrying a beer belly.

You should probably see a qualified mental health professional for your paranoid delusions.

And by "mental health professional", I mean "lobotomist".

 

[Jarlaxle]

JGalt, post: 18153501

I mostly carry it open and in plain view to piss off the liberals.

Feel like a real man do ya? Your self professed reason for carrying a loaded firearm in public shows your purpose is to express political hatred.

That is irresponsible on your part making you more a danger to public safety than whatever you believe the good that could come from carrying that weapon.

I see you clowns walking into a McDonald's or something and my first thought is I hope this jerk is mentally stable and not in some kind of rage after his wife or girlfriend dumped his ass for someone that isn't also carrying a beer belly.

I have experienced a home invasion about 2 months ago. White dude beat my door in while we were in the bedroom. We met in front of my fireplace in the living room. I had the criminal at gun point and did not shoot him then and there on the spot since he had no visible weapon. However, I was within my right to do so. I told him to not move and I was going to hold him for the police. He made an abrupt move and I fired (2) rounds at him. He was not hit and is still at large. If I had not had a weapon it would not have been pretty for me and Mrs Geaux4it

I never ever leave the home unarmed. And I always have a pistol within reach while in the home

-Geaux

I recommend a shotgun. 12 gauge or larger.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes....as we keep telling anti gunners, normal, law abiding gun owners, people who carry guns for self defense...aren't murdering other people. Therefore, they are not driving the crime rate, the murder rate or any crime rate......

We now have over 16.3 million Americans carrying guns for self defense, and our murder rate dropped another 2.5%.....showing that the entire argument from the anti gun crowd, is crap....

Carnage, Continued





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We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

From one of your links:

• A disproportionate share of gun homicide victims are black (55% in 2010, compared with the 13% black share of the population). Whites were 25% of victims but 65% of the population in 2010. Hispanics were 17% of victims and 16% of the population in 2010.

How many of you white Republican gun owners have personally gone into high crime black neighborhoods to reduce the homicide rate there.

Not a single one I'll bet. No real crime prevention from all your investment in guns.

The link credits the baby boomer generation producing young criminals and ties to gun violence from the illegal drug trade that peaked in 1993 and began a swift rate of decline which has slowed as all this conceal and open carry nonsense began spreading across the nation.

The baby boomer demographics effect on a decline in violent crime occurs similarly across western nations. Where more gun ownership was not a factor.

You lose again. You need to read what you post.

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

A gun is for self defense and / or the defense of another.

Personally my philosophy on concealed carry is that I will use my firearm to protect myself or my wife and that's it.
If I see you getting the shit kicked out of you because you chose to be defenseless and trust your safety to local law enforcement, I will not use my firearm to protect you. I will call the cops and an ambulance for you because I respect your decision to trust your safety to the cops .

 

[Skull Pilot]

2aguy, post: 18155823

As 21 years show, law abiding people carrying guns does not increase gun murder, gun crime or violent crime in general...you are wrong.

You can't know that. Too many variables. Gun crime and violent crime is in decline and you can't know how much lower it would have gone had the proliferation of millions of guns not overwhelmed our society.

Violent crime could be even lower than it is.

Gun buyers and sellers are responsible for the difference.

No, criminals and only criminals are responsible for violent crime

 

[2aguy]

2aguy, post: 18155823

As 21 years show, law abiding people carrying guns does not increase gun murder, gun crime or violent crime in general...you are wrong.

You can't know that. Too many variables. Gun crime and violent crime is in decline and you can't know how much lower it would have gone had the proliferation of millions of guns not overwhelmed our society.

Violent crime could be even lower than it is.

Gun buyers and sellers are responsible for the difference.

Nope....you don't get to change your argument. The anti gunners have been crying for the last 21 years that if Americans were allowed to own and carry guns, there would be more gun murder, more gun violence. That is the core, the foundation of their anti gun religion.

And it is a lie.

How do we know that the core tenet of their anti gun religion is a lie?

Because over the last 21 years......
we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Concealed carry permit number....actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

"Number of people carrying for self-defense"

Haha, what an absurd metric. As opposed to all those people who answered, "I carry because I have a small wiener!!", or, "I carry because i am a dangerous criminal who needs to be strapped", or, "I'm buying this for a convicted felon!"

No, dipstick....we have actual numbers of 16.3 million law abiding people because you morons forced them to get permits....and that isn't even the actual number because a lot of states don't force Poll Taxes on the Right to carry a gun....the number is much higher than 16.3 million....

And as a result...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

They self-identified that they are carrying for self-defense. Which is an absurd way to know anything, especialy considering the alternative answers would be self-incriminating.. You certainly are an excitable, angry little guy. Maybe it's best that you don't own guns.

You can't deny the facts, the stats, the truth or the reality...so you post, that.....

The core tenet of your anti gun religion is that more guns = more gun crime. 21 years, 600 million guns, over 16.3 million Americans carrying guns

gun murder down 49%

gun crime down 75%

violent crime down 72%


On top of that....Britain did what you want..they banned and confiscated guns....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Your anti gun religion is based on a lie.

"You can't deny the facts, the stats,"

I didn't. I don't have to deny facts to say that :"correlation is not causation". But you would have me believe that while sociologists and economists study this issue and try to figure out why the crime rate has dropped, you have figured it out all by yourself, definitively. It's just absurd and embarrassing to watch. But hey, I guess that is what this place is for, right?

No dipshit....we aren't arguing cause and effect, thought we could.

I am showing you that the core belief of anti gunners like you, that more guns = more gun crime is false...it is not true...as 21 years and increasing gun ownership and increasing numbers of people carrying guns has shown......the core tenet of your argument is wrong...it is false.....it has no merit and is not based in actual facts, statistics and real world experience.....

As to actual cause and effect......actual research shows that armed citizens help to lower the crime rate.....that is a different topic.

 

[JGalt]

Yes....as we keep telling anti gunners, normal, law abiding gun owners, people who carry guns for self defense...aren't murdering other people. Therefore, they are not driving the crime rate, the murder rate or any crime rate......

We now have over 16.3 million Americans carrying guns for self defense, and our murder rate dropped another 2.5%.....showing that the entire argument from the anti gun crowd, is crap....

Carnage, Continued





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We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

From one of your links:

• A disproportionate share of gun homicide victims are black (55% in 2010, compared with the 13% black share of the population). Whites were 25% of victims but 65% of the population in 2010. Hispanics were 17% of victims and 16% of the population in 2010.

How many of you white Republican gun owners have personally gone into high crime black neighborhoods to reduce the homicide rate there.

Not a single one I'll bet. No real crime prevention from all your investment in guns.

The link credits the baby boomer generation producing young criminals and ties to gun violence from the illegal drug trade that peaked in 1993 and began a swift rate of decline which has slowed as all this conceal and open carry nonsense began spreading across the nation.

The baby boomer demographics effect on a decline in violent crime occurs similarly across western nations. Where more gun ownership was not a factor.

You lose again. You need to read what you post.

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

A gun is for self defense and / or the defense of another.

Personally my philosophy on concealed carry is that I will use my firearm to protect myself or my wife and that's it.
If I see you getting the shit kicked out of you because you chose to be defenseless and trust your safety to local law enforcement, I will not use my firearm to protect you. I will call the cops and an ambulance for you because I respect your decision to trust your safety to the cops .

"The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country. It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals. We are on our own for protection."

SUPREME COURT RULING: Police Have No Duty To Protect The General Public

 

[NotfooledbyW]

JGalt, post: 18162592

"The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country. It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

So what? They do. If someone acts to harm or threaten the citizenry and their property they are by their actions a criminal. So police stop arrest and detain criminals caught in the act. A drunk driver is violating the law. So cops arrest them. We are all protected by the police. Your court ruling is a futile grasp for semantics. It means little once you get past the headline and are required to think about it.

Police can't be everywhere at all times to prevent every crime from being committed. That is a stupid expectation such that no one should need a Supreme Court ruling to explain it. That is why it is not their duty.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

 

[2aguy]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

I'm not.....actual research says they bring the crime rate down, asswipe.

 

[2aguy]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

Dipshit....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Bartley-Cohen-Economic-Inquiry-1998.pdf


The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

.....we find strong support for the hypothesis that the right-to-carry laws are associated with a decrease in the trend in violent crime rates.....

Paper........CCW does not increase police deaths...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mustard-JLE-Polic-Deaths-Gun-Control.pdf

This paper uses state-level data from 1984–96 to examine how right-to-carry laws and waiting periods affect the felonious deaths of police. Some people oppose concealed weapons carry laws because they believe these laws jeopardize law enforcement officials, who risk their lives to protect the citizenry. This paper strongly rejects this contention. States that allowed law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons had a slightly higher likelihood of having a felonious police death and slightly higher police death rates prior to the law. After enactment of the right-to-carry laws, states exhibit a reduced likelihood of having a felonious police death rate and slightly lower rates of police deaths. States that implement waiting periods have slightly lower felonious police death rates both before and after the law. Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons does not endanger the lives of officers and may help reduce their risk of being killed

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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/tideman.pdf


Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

However, for all three crime categories the levels in years 2 and 3 after adoption of a right-to-carry law are significantly below the levels in the years before the adoption of the law, which suggests that there is generally a deterrent effect and that it takes about 1 year for this effect to emerge.

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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/323313

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness*




Carlisle E. Moody
College of William and Mary
Overall, right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary.
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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Helland-Tabarrok-Placebo-Laws.pdf
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime”∗ Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok

We also find, however, that the cross equation restrictions implied by the Lott-Mustard theory are supported.
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Surprisingly, therefore, we conclude that there is considerable support for the hypothesis that shall-issue laws cause criminals to substitute away from crimes against persons and towards crimes against property.
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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Maltz.pdf


Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Our results indicated that the direction of effect of the shall-issue law on total SHR homicide rates was similar to that obtained by Lott and Mustard, although the magnitude of the effect was somewhat smaller and was statistically significant at the 7 percent level. In our analysis, which included only counties with a 1977 population of 100,000 or more, laws allowing for concealed weapons were associated with a 6.52 percent reduction in total homicides (Table 2). By comparison, Lott and Mustard found the concealed weapon dummy variable to be associated with a 7.65 percent reduction in total homicides across all counties and a 9 percent reduction in homicides when only large counties (populations of 100,000 or more) were included.43

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This one shows the benefits, in the billions of CCW laws...

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

COMMENTS Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

CONCLUSION Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 and $3 billion per year. The results are very similar to earlier estimates using county-level data from 1977 to 1996. We appreciate the continuing effort that Ayres and Donohue have made in discussing the impact of right-to-carry laws on crime rates. Yet we believe that both the new evidence provided by them as well as our new results show consistently that right-to-carry laws reduce crime and save lives. Unfortunately, a few simple mistakes lead Ayres and Donohue to incorrectly claim that crime rates significantly increase after right-to-carry laws are initially adopted and to misinterpret the significance of their own estimates that examined the year-to-year impact of the law.

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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...An-Exercise-in-Replication.proof_.revised.pdf

~ The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws on Crime: An Exercise in Replication1

Carlisle E. Moody College of William and Mary - Department of Economics, Virginia 23187, U.S.A. E-mail: [email protected] Thomas B. Marvell Justec Research, Virginia 23185, U.S.A. Paul R. Zimmerman U.S. Federal Trade Commission - Bureau of Economics, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. Fasil Alemante College of William and Mary, Virginia 23187, U.S.A.


Abstract: In an article published in 2011, Aneja, Donohue and Zhang found that shall-issue or right-to-carry (RTC) concealed weapons laws have no effect on any crime except for a positive effect on assault. This paper reports a replication of their basic findings and some corresponding robustness checks, which reveal a serious omitted variable problem. Once corrected for omitted variables, the most robust result, confirmed using both county and state data, is that RTC laws significantly reduce murder. There is no robust, consistent evidence that RTC laws have any significant effect on other violent crimes, including assault. There is some weak evidence that RTC laws increase robbery and assault while decreasing rape. Given that the victim costs of murder and rape are much higher than the costs of robbery and assault, the evidence shows that RTC laws are socially beneficial.

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States with lower guns = higher murder....and assault weapon ban pointless..

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates
Mark Gius

Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates. Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).





Taking apart ayre and donahue one....




“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..


Summary and Conclusion Many articles have been published finding that shall-issue laws reduce crime. Only one article, by Ayres and Donohue who employ a model that combines a dummy variable with a post-law trend, claims to find that shall-issue laws increase crime. However, the only way that they can produce the result that shall-issue laws increase crime is to confine the span of analysis to five years. We show, using their own estimates, that if they had extended their analysis by one more year, they would have concluded that these laws reduce crime. Since most states with shallissue laws have had these laws on the books for more than five years, and the law will presumably remain on the books for some time, the only relevant analysis extends beyond five years. We extend their analysis by adding three more years of data, control for the effects of crack cocaine, control for dynamic effects, and correct the standard errors for clustering. We find that there is an initial increase in crime due to passage of the shall-issue law that is dwarfed over time by the decrease in crime associated with the post-law trend. These results are very similar to those of Ayres and Donohue, properly interpreted. The modified Ayres and Donohue model finds that shall-issue laws significantly reduce murder and burglary across all the adopting states. These laws appear to significantly increase assault, and have no net effect on rape, robbery, larceny, or auto theft. However, in the long run only the trend coefficients matter. We estimate a net benefit of $450 million per year as a result of the passage of these laws. We also estimate that, up through 2000, there was a cumulative overall net benefit of these laws of $28 billion since their passage. We think that there is credible statistical evidence that these laws lower the costs of crime. But at the very least, the present study should neutralize any “more guns, more crime” thinking based on Ayres and Donohue’s work in the Stanford Law Review

 

[2aguy]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

And this one...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States by John R. Lott, John E Whitley, Rebekah C. Riley :: SSRN


Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates fell from 5.6 to 4.23 (preliminary crime estimate) per 100,000 – a 25 percent drop in the murder rate. At the same time, that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 178 percent. Overall violent crime also fell by the same percentage, 25 percent.3 After accounting for the per capita number of police and new prison admissions as well as demographics, this state level permit data suggests that each one percentage point increase in the percent of the adult population holding permits is roughly associated with a 25 percent drop in the murder rate.4 Since the latest state level crime data is only available through 2013, the 2011 and 2013 permit and murder data shows that those states that had the biggest increases in permits had the biggest percentage drop in murder rates. A 10 percent increase in the share of the adult population with permits reduces the murder rate by 1.4 percent.5

 

[2aguy]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

Here is a list of the papers...

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The anti gunners have been crying for the last 21 years that if Americans were allowed to own and carry guns, there would be more gun murder, more gun violence. That is the core, the foundation of their anti gun religion.

I'm not anti-gun ownership. I just think conceal and carry and open carry is pure bullshit when it comes crediting those policies as a main cause for reductions in gun and violent crime across the country.

The OP's links actually confirm that it is bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

The anti gunners have been crying for the last 21 years that if Americans were allowed to own and carry guns, there would be more gun murder, more gun violence. That is the core, the foundation of their anti gun religion.

I'm not anti-gun ownership. I just think conceal and carry and open carry is pure bullshit when it comes crediting those policies as a main cause for reductions in gun and violent crime across the country.

The OP's links actually confirm that it is bullshit.

No...wrong again.......none of the sources say it is the main cause, dipshit...that goes to the police....what it does say is this....

That the core belief of the anti gun religion, that more guns = more crime, is complete bullshit. Their movement is based on a lie....as 21 years of increased gun ownership and increased gun carrying by law abiding Americans shows through facts and stats....

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

And this one...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States by John R. Lott, John E Whitley, Rebekah C. Riley :: SSRN


Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates fell from 5.6 to 4.23 (preliminary crime estimate) per 100,000 – a 25 percent drop in the murder rate. At the same time, that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 178 percent. Overall violent crime also fell by the same percentage, 25 percent.3 After accounting for the per capita number of police and new prison admissions as well as demographics, this state level permit data suggests that each one percentage point increase in the percent of the adult population holding permits is roughly associated with a 25 percent drop in the murder rate.4 Since the latest state level crime data is only available through 2013, the 2011 and 2013 permit and murder data shows that those states that had the biggest increases in permits had the biggest percentage drop in murder rates. A 10 percent increase in the share of the adult population with permits reduces the murder rate by 1.4 percent.5

Really? A gun nut fraudster is all you got?

The GOP’s favorite gun “academic” is a fraud.

The GOP’s favorite gun “academic” is a fraud



There is no scientific link that shows carry permits have a direct link to a decrease in violent crime.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

That the core belief of the anti gun religion, that more guns = more crime, is complete bullshit.

That's your strawnan. Good job at knocking it down.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

There is a correlation between the rising number of people with concealed carry permits and the decreasing crime rate.

Anti gun people always say more guns equals more crime but that is not the case

 

[Skull Pilot]

Since when is a private citizen responsible for policing neighborhoods?

So why is this thread's gun nut bragging about gun owners bringing the violent crime rate dawn.

That was my point, in case you missed it.

I asked a question gun nuts can't answer. Gun ownership has a very slim effect on lowering gun violence where gun violence actually takes place. So why distort facts and data to make us think they do.

IDGAF if it lowers gun violence but it certainly does not contribute to violent crimes. We have more guns, more people with concealed carry permits and our murder and violent crime rates are falling.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Skull Pilot, post: 18174191

. We have more guns, more people with concealed carry permits and our murder and violent crime rates are falling.

Nothing wrong with that statement. So there you go. The statistics have no correlation. Gun nuts should stick with the facts.

Like this:

The reality is that an American is at least twice as likely to be shot dead by a toddler than killed by a terrorist. In 2014 88 Americans were shot dead, on average, every day: 58 killed themselves while 30 were murdered. In that same year 18 Americans were killed by terrorist attacks in the US. Put more starkly: more Americans were killed by firearms roughly every five hours than were killed by terrorists in an entire year.

Trump fears terrorists, but more Americans are shot dead by toddlers | Gary Younge

More guns in homes means more kids killing people.

Gun nuts aren't that great.

 

[Rustic]

Skull Pilot, post: 18174191

. We have more guns, more people with concealed carry permits and our murder and violent crime rates are falling.

Nothing wrong with that statement. So there you go. The statistics have no correlation. Gun nuts should stick with the facts.

Like this:

The reality is that an American is at least twice as likely to be shot dead by a toddler than killed by a terrorist. In 2014 88 Americans were shot dead, on average, every day: 58 killed themselves while 30 were murdered. In that same year 18 Americans were killed by terrorist attacks in the US. Put more starkly: more Americans were killed by firearms roughly every five hours than were killed by terrorists in an entire year.

Trump fears terrorists, but more Americans are shot dead by toddlers | Gary Younge

More guns in homes means more kids killing people.

Gun nuts aren't that great.

Firearm violence is not an issue in this country, we have much bigger fish to fry. Shit for brains

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America