Paid time off for me, no paid time off for you.

[pknopp]

He's paying more for his cell phone because shareholders demand ever increasing returns. Despite cell carriers making money left and right, ask the guy at the mall trying to sell these services what he is making.

That's not the point. The point is, we spend a hell of a lot of money on convenience and entertainment than we did many years ago. However even in the most dire position, we won't give any of it up in desperate times, even if you are living paycheck to paycheck.

Look in the paper sometime for cars. The purchase price is not highlighted, the lease price is, because many people lease their car instead of buying it. Do you really need the internet? Well, for some things you probably do, but the internet is mostly for entertainment. You don't have to have it as libraries offer it for free. Cell phones? Yes, it's good to have one just in case of an emergency, but people don't stop there. They need unlimited access to the internet, smart phones, unlimited calls, and many today (like myself) don't even have a landline phone. My cousin told me his plan for him and his family was over $235.00 a month. Mine is $150.00 a month just for me and my mother.

A lot of people are not buying homes any longer. They rent. Good for me being a landlord, but rental prices have skyrocketed the last ten years due to supply and demand from coast to coast. Younger people today simply don't want to deal with the problems and work involved with home ownership. Some states like California talked about rent price controls.

You apply for jobs now with your cell phone and internet. No, people can not just give it up.

And you can't go to the library to do that?

No, no you can't. For one right now they are closed. People trying to get a better job should ask for time off to go to the library to check on their job applications?

What, your libraries where you live are only open during working hours? I'm not speaking of now, I'm speaking of when things are more normal. There is no reason you can't use the internet at the library to send or receive work correspondence there. And no, you don't absolutely have to be online to apply for jobs. Over 10% of the country doesn't have access to, or doesn't subscribe to the internet. So typical of you people, you are full of excuses instead of accomplishments.

You can get unlimited cell service now for $25 a month so your entire argument is bogus anyway.

 

[iceberg]

what have i misrepresented?

i tell you this is how things work and you're going nuts trying to defend the extreme example
you go off and make up your extreme examples
i ask you to tell me how people are stealing
you show me articles on how the market works
i say this is normal
you say it's wrong to take from some to give to others
i ask you why it's ok to do that to those who have money
you now what to generisize the theft by making it "fed policy" so you can take from one to give to another

OF WHICH you just said was wrong.

so at this point, go fuck yourself.

How it works is the problem. We have massive Federal socialist programs to boost the markets but when someone wants to spread that around to more than a few you (and others) yell, SOCIALISM.

Never mind that the programs the few are benefitting from are socialist programs.

And even then the ones who get the most benefit aren't happy. They want to steal from others.

it works for most people. you just don't like it and take up the windmill / the cause of the few it doesn't work for and cry the system is unfair.

you say you can't take from one to give to another then turn right the fuck around and do it for your benefit.

same bullshit, different river it flows down.

It works in large part for the few.

but by definition there will ALWAYS be those few.

you're asking the many to give up for your chosen few.

good luck with that.

Let's see.

not playing your game of isolated idealism, dude. you said it's not right to take away and give to others UNLESS you do it your way from the evil rich to the few % you champion.

have it at man. we all need our windmills to tilt at. i just think it's fucking stupid.

 

[hadit]

Yes or no.... do wealthy people want interest on their deposits? Yes or no dude. Answer that, or shut up. You are speaking stupid non-stop.

No. They want 12% returns in the market. Wealthy people don't keep their money in savings.

IOW, they put their money to work.

How's that working for them right now? Do you understand that this is why retired people are reluctant to?

So why should they have their money stolen to boost the markets they aren't interested in?

That is why, as people get older, they diversity their investments into safer funds that may pay lower returns but generally don't fluctuate as much. Dude, you really need to learn something about this stuff.

The truly wealthy saw this coming and moved their money to safer havens. That's part of what drives market volitility.

More and more do not trust the markets. They understand it's all bubbles now that will always burst.

The theory of how the markets are supposed to work aren't how they work.

And the wise diversify to minimize total risk. There are funds that pay lower returns but are safer. If you don't want the big risks and rewards the market provides, you don't have to invest in it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not the point. The point is, we spend a hell of a lot of money on convenience and entertainment than we did many years ago. However even in the most dire position, we won't give any of it up in desperate times, even if you are living paycheck to paycheck.

Look in the paper sometime for cars. The purchase price is not highlighted, the lease price is, because many people lease their car instead of buying it. Do you really need the internet? Well, for some things you probably do, but the internet is mostly for entertainment. You don't have to have it as libraries offer it for free. Cell phones? Yes, it's good to have one just in case of an emergency, but people don't stop there. They need unlimited access to the internet, smart phones, unlimited calls, and many today (like myself) don't even have a landline phone. My cousin told me his plan for him and his family was over $235.00 a month. Mine is $150.00 a month just for me and my mother.

A lot of people are not buying homes any longer. They rent. Good for me being a landlord, but rental prices have skyrocketed the last ten years due to supply and demand from coast to coast. Younger people today simply don't want to deal with the problems and work involved with home ownership. Some states like California talked about rent price controls.

You apply for jobs now with your cell phone and internet. No, people can not just give it up.

And you can't go to the library to do that?

No, no you can't. For one right now they are closed. People trying to get a better job should ask for time off to go to the library to check on their job applications?

What, your libraries where you live are only open during working hours? I'm not speaking of now, I'm speaking of when things are more normal. There is no reason you can't use the internet at the library to send or receive work correspondence there. And no, you don't absolutely have to be online to apply for jobs. Over 10% of the country doesn't have access to, or doesn't subscribe to the internet. So typical of you people, you are full of excuses instead of accomplishments.

You can get unlimited cell service now for $25 a month so your entire argument is bogus anyway.

Maybe, with a company you can barely hear the other person on. Then tack on monthly fee for the phone purchase, data time, insurance, taxes, and you end up with a hell of a monthly bill.

 

[pknopp]

How it works is the problem. We have massive Federal socialist programs to boost the markets but when someone wants to spread that around to more than a few you (and others) yell, SOCIALISM.

Never mind that the programs the few are benefitting from are socialist programs.

And even then the ones who get the most benefit aren't happy. They want to steal from others.

it works for most people. you just don't like it and take up the windmill / the cause of the few it doesn't work for and cry the system is unfair.

you say you can't take from one to give to another then turn right the fuck around and do it for your benefit.

same bullshit, different river it flows down.

It works in large part for the few.

but by definition there will ALWAYS be those few.

you're asking the many to give up for your chosen few.

good luck with that.

Let's see.

not playing your game of isolated idealism, dude. you said it's not right to take away and give to others UNLESS you do it your way from the evil rich to the few % you champion.

have it at man. we all need our windmills to tilt at. i just think it's fucking stupid.

I said "share" what the socialist policies of the Fed is giving.

 

[pknopp]

No. They want 12% returns in the market. Wealthy people don't keep their money in savings.

IOW, they put their money to work.

How's that working for them right now? Do you understand that this is why retired people are reluctant to?

So why should they have their money stolen to boost the markets they aren't interested in?

That is why, as people get older, they diversity their investments into safer funds that may pay lower returns but generally don't fluctuate as much. Dude, you really need to learn something about this stuff.

The truly wealthy saw this coming and moved their money to safer havens. That's part of what drives market volitility.

More and more do not trust the markets. They understand it's all bubbles now that will always burst.

The theory of how the markets are supposed to work aren't how they work.

And the wise diversify to minimize total risk. There are funds that pay lower returns but are safer. If you don't want the big risks and rewards the market provides, you don't have to invest in it.

You don't but as I have been pointing out, the markets still want to take your money.

 

[pknopp]

You apply for jobs now with your cell phone and internet. No, people can not just give it up.

And you can't go to the library to do that?

No, no you can't. For one right now they are closed. People trying to get a better job should ask for time off to go to the library to check on their job applications?

What, your libraries where you live are only open during working hours? I'm not speaking of now, I'm speaking of when things are more normal. There is no reason you can't use the internet at the library to send or receive work correspondence there. And no, you don't absolutely have to be online to apply for jobs. Over 10% of the country doesn't have access to, or doesn't subscribe to the internet. So typical of you people, you are full of excuses instead of accomplishments.

You can get unlimited cell service now for $25 a month so your entire argument is bogus anyway.

Maybe, with a company you can barely hear the other person on. Then tack on monthly fee for the phone purchase, data time, insurance, taxes, and you end up with a hell of a monthly bill.

These plans work fine. You can even bring your own phone in many cases.

 

[iceberg]

it works for most people. you just don't like it and take up the windmill / the cause of the few it doesn't work for and cry the system is unfair.

you say you can't take from one to give to another then turn right the fuck around and do it for your benefit.

same bullshit, different river it flows down.

It works in large part for the few.

but by definition there will ALWAYS be those few.

you're asking the many to give up for your chosen few.

good luck with that.

Let's see.

not playing your game of isolated idealism, dude. you said it's not right to take away and give to others UNLESS you do it your way from the evil rich to the few % you champion.

have it at man. we all need our windmills to tilt at. i just think it's fucking stupid.

I said "share" what the socialist policies of the Fed is giving.

you "say" a lot of "shit".

the end result is you're in my opinion overly idealistic and seem to hold successful people in disdain and want to ensure the common man is taken care of regardless of the situation or circumstances.

in my opinion, that's bullshit. you get what you are willing to work for in life and if you expect people to hand you stuff, don't bitch if you don't like the handouts. this is oversimplification and not absolute as we do need to care for those who can't take care of themselves.

those who won't i'm not as concerned about.

 

[Andylusion]

We are talking about investments, and you went from investments, to work place accidents.

No, I was taking about the needs of employers being met before the needs of shareholders being met.

Well shareholders are the owners of the company. If their needs are not met, then as owner of the company, they can replace the management.

Again... this is like you renting your property to me, and then me trying to dictate that you shouldn't be paid as much for rent, because my needs should trump your needs as owner.

Well that's ridiculous, and you would never accept that logic, if you owned the property. And you are lying if you claim otherwise.

We will most likely be providing huge socialist bail outs to these "owners" again. Odd that so many find that acceptable but get all upset when others want to do the same with those not able to access affordable health care. Really ironic right now also.

Dude, who are you talking about finding this acceptable? The only people who supported the bailouts were the socialist left-wingers. The entire freakin Tea Party was a right-wing opposition to the bailouts. The conservative caucus in the House, produced an entire plan for avoiding government bailouts. Ben Shapiro just this week, openly said he opposed any plan by Trump for bailing out anyone.

You seem to be implying that someone, or anyone, in the right-wing conservative ideology, openly supports bailing out companies. If anyone thinks that, you all are full of crap.

It's left-wingers who think the sun rises and sets at the command of almighty government, who believe we need bureaucrat idiots fixing the economy by flushing tax dollars down the drain.

Not us. Not the right-wing. Sorry. *IF* that is what you were implying with that post, then you are ignorant and wrong.

Oddly nothing has changed........look at the numbers coming in. Trump 97% Weld 3%.

Your complaints ring hollow.

I'm not sure what your point is. Everything I said, is dead on accurate and correct.

So, oddly nothing you posted changed anything I said.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

That's how it works in our class based society. In the "private sector" too. Suits are much more likely to be "working from home", revenue generational level workers, you go on in, the work must go on. Gaetz is just another ugly American.

 

[pknopp]

It works in large part for the few.

but by definition there will ALWAYS be those few.

you're asking the many to give up for your chosen few.

good luck with that.

Let's see.

not playing your game of isolated idealism, dude. you said it's not right to take away and give to others UNLESS you do it your way from the evil rich to the few % you champion.

have it at man. we all need our windmills to tilt at. i just think it's fucking stupid.

I said "share" what the socialist policies of the Fed is giving.

you "say" a lot of "shit".

the end result is you're in my opinion overly idealistic and seem to hold successful people in disdain and want to ensure the common man is taken care of regardless of the situation or circumstances.

in my opinion, that's bullshit. you get what you are willing to work for in life and if you expect people to hand you stuff, don't bitch if you don't like the handouts. this is oversimplification and not absolute as we do need to care for those who can't take care of themselves.

those who won't i'm not as concerned about.

If the markets were that successful we wouldnt have been bailing it out the last decade plus.

 

[pknopp]

No, I was taking about the needs of employers being met before the needs of shareholders being met.

Well shareholders are the owners of the company. If their needs are not met, then as owner of the company, they can replace the management.

Again... this is like you renting your property to me, and then me trying to dictate that you shouldn't be paid as much for rent, because my needs should trump your needs as owner.

Well that's ridiculous, and you would never accept that logic, if you owned the property. And you are lying if you claim otherwise.

We will most likely be providing huge socialist bail outs to these "owners" again. Odd that so many find that acceptable but get all upset when others want to do the same with those not able to access affordable health care. Really ironic right now also.

Dude, who are you talking about finding this acceptable? The only people who supported the bailouts were the socialist left-wingers. The entire freakin Tea Party was a right-wing opposition to the bailouts. The conservative caucus in the House, produced an entire plan for avoiding government bailouts. Ben Shapiro just this week, openly said he opposed any plan by Trump for bailing out anyone.

You seem to be implying that someone, or anyone, in the right-wing conservative ideology, openly supports bailing out companies. If anyone thinks that, you all are full of crap.

It's left-wingers who think the sun rises and sets at the command of almighty government, who believe we need bureaucrat idiots fixing the economy by flushing tax dollars down the drain.

Not us. Not the right-wing. Sorry. *IF* that is what you were implying with that post, then you are ignorant and wrong.

Oddly nothing has changed........look at the numbers coming in. Trump 97% Weld 3%.

Your complaints ring hollow.

I'm not sure what your point is. Everything I said, is dead on accurate and correct.

So, oddly nothing you posted changed anything I said.

So your argument is that some miniscule, mostly irrelevant group doesn't support what is going on and what is about to happen.

Great but that changes nothing.

 

[Andylusion]

What are you smoking? How would you change anything, so that the markets would collapse by living up to capitalist standards? How?

It wouldn't get "bailed out". There is no bailing out in capitalism.

Sure, I agree with that.

That wouldn't cause the markets to collapse.

Lehman Brothers was not bailed out. Life went on. Estonia didn't bail out there banks in the past, and life went on.
Iceland didn't bail out their banks either. Life went on.

I'm all for the complete and total elimination of all bailouts entirely. The markets will not collapse. In fact, what we saw in both Estonia and Iceland, is that the markets do even better under a pure capitalist system.

And the reason is pretty clear. Badly performing parts of the economy, die off, and are replaced with productive actors. Naturally the economy will do better with less bad performers, and more good performers.

This is why we need to drastically reduce the size and scope of government. Government inherently causes only damage. The bailouts are not a benefit to the market, or the economy. Only a hindrance.

With Trump getting ready to do it again. There is a huge benefit to the country, world and economy for affordable health care though.

Sure, I believe in affordable health care.

The difference is, socialized health care is neither a benefit, nor affordable. How many Canadians have died on waiting lists, after spending their entire lives paying a massive tax-price tag for their care?

Why are so many traveling to pay for care, after spending their entire lives paying for care they never got?

Yes, I'm all for affordable health care. Let's deregulated, de-socialize, and allow the free market to lower the price, and improve the quality of care. I'm all for it.

Like they have done with insulin and the epi-pen?

Free market solutions like that?

Well yes. If we had a free-market, all of that would be much cheaper.

That said, I'm not sure what your issue with insulin is. As I've posted before, you can get a full years supply of insulin, for just $360. Now, even if you worked McDonald's, that would be just one weeks check.

So that market is pretty reasonable.

I'm not even sure about Epi-Pen either. From what I've seen, it's $100 for 32 of them.

If you need 32 of these a year, then I think you have bigger problems.

What is your complaint with either?

 

[Andylusion]

A "living wage" WOULD be public assistance if the job isn't worth that much, because if the employer loses money on it, the job disappears, unless the taxpayer makes up the difference.

The taxpayer does make up the difference in the many public assistance programs. They are corporate socialism.

Again... if the job isn't worth the cost of the benefits, then the job will cease to exist.

How much will the taxpayer make up the difference, if there is no job at all?

Dumb argument. If you chose to give out benefit from government, that's on you, not the corporations.

Whether you give out benefits or not, it's not the corporations duty to do anything.

They are a business. If they can't make money providing jobs, then they don't provide jobs.

We, the people who create jobs, are not obligated to you. We didn't invest our money, for your benefit. If I can't reap a return on my investment, then I'll just blow the money on my own desires, and provide zero jobs.

And the irony is, you yourself would never invest and create jobs if it didn't benefit you to do so. So your entire argument is utter hypocrisy.

Wal-Mart loves food stamps. No one is creating the trillions the Fed simply throws at the markets.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. The Fed isn't "throwing" trillions at the markets.

Crap, dude, even the toddler could figure that out. If the Fed was really throwing trillions of dollars at the market, then the marketing couldn't possibly be dropping like it has. Use some logic.

Beyond that, you don't know jack about Walmart. Even that article was full of crap. I read the entire thing, and they just made it up.

They looked at the estimate number of people at the company that earned a low wage. Guessed that they must be single. Guessed that they must be living alone. And assumed they were taking food stamps.

First single guy in high school, who is living at home, isn't getting food stamps.

Boom... there went the entire basis of the article. Blown to bits by one example.

I knew a girl who worked at Walmart. Not only was she not collecting food stamps, but she was using Walmart's tuition reimbursement program, and now has a degree in civil engineering.

You people are just full of crap.

Go to Wal Mart and look for these single guys. They are not the ones working there and the markets are NOT working.

I'm confused. I don't need to go to Walmart. I know people personally who work at Walmart. I'm not making up mythical examples.

That said.... I do go to walmart, and I do see people there working. Most are very young. Which is why it's a perfect job for them. Especially with that tuition reimbursement program.

 

[Andylusion]

Well I proved you wrong. So, you are the one in ignorance. You claimed interest rates were negative.

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty. I never said rates are negative. I said the markets want negative rates. Trump called for negative rates.

Why would the market want negative rates? Rich people want a return on their savings too.

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty too.

I don't care "what trump called for". Have you learned nothing all these years? Trump says all kinds of stuff. Pay less attention to what he says, and more to what he does.

The irony is, a bunch of people on here still claim that the Federal Reserve is a private bank, and if that's true, why does it matter what Trump says anyway?

Want to bet it happens? There is only one way to go from zero. Money was intended to be "FREE"?

Yes or no.... do wealthy people want interest on their deposits? Yes or no dude. Answer that, or shut up. You are speaking stupid non-stop.

No. They want 12% returns in the market. Wealthy people don't keep their money in savings.

Well that's not even true. I know many wealthy people who have a large chunk of their money in Money Market, and CDs.

Now obviously, a massive amount are in mutual funds. I agree. But to say that they don't keep money at banks... well yes of course they do.

 

[Andylusion]

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty. I never said rates are negative. I said the markets want negative rates. Trump called for negative rates.

Why would the market want negative rates? Rich people want a return on their savings too.

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty too.

I don't care "what trump called for". Have you learned nothing all these years? Trump says all kinds of stuff. Pay less attention to what he says, and more to what he does.

The irony is, a bunch of people on here still claim that the Federal Reserve is a private bank, and if that's true, why does it matter what Trump says anyway?

Want to bet it happens? There is only one way to go from zero. Money was intended to be "FREE"?

Yes or no.... do wealthy people want interest on their deposits? Yes or no dude. Answer that, or shut up. You are speaking stupid non-stop.

he keeps wanting life to be his utopia and gets lost in the reality in his way.

Not supporting the idea of stealing from seniors to boost the markets is still a long ways from any utopia.

No one is stealing from Seniors. You are just full of lies and crap.

 

[Andylusion]

Why would the market want negative rates? Rich people want a return on their savings too.

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty too.

I don't care "what trump called for". Have you learned nothing all these years? Trump says all kinds of stuff. Pay less attention to what he says, and more to what he does.

The irony is, a bunch of people on here still claim that the Federal Reserve is a private bank, and if that's true, why does it matter what Trump says anyway?

Want to bet it happens? There is only one way to go from zero. Money was intended to be "FREE"?

Yes or no.... do wealthy people want interest on their deposits? Yes or no dude. Answer that, or shut up. You are speaking stupid non-stop.

No. They want 12% returns in the market. Wealthy people don't keep their money in savings.

IOW, they put their money to work.

How's that working for them right now? Do you understand that this is why retired people are reluctant to?

So why should they have their money stolen to boost the markets they aren't interested in?

No one is stealing their money. You are just a consistent liar.

 

[Andylusion]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

A perfect distillation of conservative philosophy...

Again... do you want people earning less money?

See, as I explained before: Every benefit you get from the company, comes from lower wages paid out to you the worker.

All companies operate on a "total cost of employment" system. All of them do.

What that means is, if I only have $30,000 to pay for a specific job position.... and between taxes, and PTO, and Health Care, and so on... if that cost is $10,000... then how much do you get paid as the employee?

$20,000. Your wage is decreased, by the cost of the taxes and benefits I have to pay out on your behalf.

So when you demand more benefits, what you are really demanding, is that you yourself, and your fellow workers, get paid less.

Why are you in favor of the poorest people in our society, being paid less?
A perfect distillation of left-wing socialist philosophy.

 

[Andylusion]

he keeps wanting life to be his utopia and gets lost in the reality in his way.

Not supporting the idea of stealing from seniors to boost the markets is still a long ways from any utopia.

Name the people doing that.

Trump.

Trump has ramped up calls for negative interest rates. Here's what they are and why they matter. | Markets Insider

Wall Street.

Voices: Is Pimco right that negative yields make sense?

They say it will be good for people to have their money taken from them.

he's trying to fix an overall economy. you are worried about a few who MAY be impacted by this and 9gnoring the people who are.

you seem to pride yourself on strawmaning up a helpless victim so you can prance around and shout for their defense.

I was asked a question. I supplied the answer. It would be cool if others would do the same when asked.

I thought it was wrong to take from some to give to others?

It is wrong to take from some to give to others.
Stop doing that.

We are not. The markets are not. No one is stealing from the old, like you claim.

 

[iceberg]

but by definition there will ALWAYS be those few.

you're asking the many to give up for your chosen few.

good luck with that.

Let's see.

not playing your game of isolated idealism, dude. you said it's not right to take away and give to others UNLESS you do it your way from the evil rich to the few % you champion.

have it at man. we all need our windmills to tilt at. i just think it's fucking stupid.

I said "share" what the socialist policies of the Fed is giving.

you "say" a lot of "shit".

the end result is you're in my opinion overly idealistic and seem to hold successful people in disdain and want to ensure the common man is taken care of regardless of the situation or circumstances.

in my opinion, that's bullshit. you get what you are willing to work for in life and if you expect people to hand you stuff, don't bitch if you don't like the handouts. this is oversimplification and not absolute as we do need to care for those who can't take care of themselves.

those who won't i'm not as concerned about.

If the markets were that successful we wouldnt have been bailing it out the last decade plus.

if giving to the poor worked, we'd not have had them since the beginning of time.

we can do this shit all day long, son. doesn't change the fact you just try to normalize extreme situations.