Paid time off for me, no paid time off for you.

[Andylusion]

Obviously you were not paying attention. This was Senator Manchin's daughter and living in WV it was front page. It was nothing but pure greed. Manchin wasn't even able to defend it.

That isn't relevant to my point.

In a free-market capitalist system, alternatives to EpiPen would be on the market. Assuming that the information is accurate, that epinephrine has been around since 1906, that is not patented, that it costs 10 cents to synthesize, and if the hospital I posted above, can in fact make EpiPen alternatives for just $25 for a pack....

Then someone somewhere should have been able to offer cheaper alternatives to Mylon, for a fraction of the price, decades ago, and make millions doing so.

There is only one possible explanation for why this was not done. The market is not a free-market capitalist system, because the government regulations, and controlling agencies, has prevented people from entering the market.

In my research, there were a total of 5 different alternatives to the EpiPen operating elsewhere in the world. One from Canada, Sweden, and a few others.

Now that should give you a clue, that the Free-market Capitalist system works, when it is allowed to do so.

Because... the EpiPen was already cheaper in Europe, than in the US, and yet cheaper alternatives popped up in Europe in price competition, when the product is more expensive here. Obviously if the product is more expensive in the US, then there is a greater profit potential for cheaper alternatives here.

Then why was there no cheaper alternatives here in the US for decades?

Again.. the answer is obvious. Left-wing socialist regulations and controls prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Senator Manchin's daughter has nothing to do with that. Government controls and socialist regulations and agencies like the FDA prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Who, between the right-wing and left-wing, generally is in favor of more regulations and controls? And who is in favor of reducing regulations and controls?

Obviously left-wingers are the ones in favor of government control. Then after giving government control, the left-wing wants to complain that people in government use that control in their favor, like Senator Manchin's daughter.

Well, you can whine about Senator Manchin's daughter, but the reality is, those who supported government control in the first place, are the ones to blame for Senator Manchin's daughter being able to engage in whatever they did.

This is just like Hugo Chavez's daughter. So under Chavez, the government was directly involved in food markets. Not only did they enact price controls, but they also themselves started buying and distributing food. Of course after they ruined the market, that resulted in the biggest supplier of food, being the government. Hugo Chavez's daughter, setup a front company outside the country, to keep profits from rice from Argentina, at greatly increased prices, paid for by the Venezuelan people.
Hugo Chávez's Favorite Daughter Implicated In Argentinian Rice Corruption Scandal

Again, how was this able happen? Because in a free-market, where rice was sold at stores at voluntary prices, no one would be forced to pay excessive prices for rice from only one company left in the market.

Well obviously, because the public voted for Hugo Chavez, which destroyed the market, and the result was a monopoly that Hugo Chavez's daughter could exploit.

Ayn Rand has a great video on Youtube, about the two kinds of Capitalism. And specifically talks about this exact situation with EpiPen, and the Rice in Venezuela, all the way back in 50s or whenever this talk happened.



So once again, you can scream and yell about the companies, but ultimately it's the left-wingers and socialists that are to blame for everything.

The free market capitalists do not want free market capitalism to work. I've said all along that I will go right along the day the Fed is shut down. Until that happens there is no use in even discussing it.

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

Sure, I disagree with some of his actions. But still way better than the embarrassing "Negative interest rates are taking people's money from their accounts!" that you've been spewing for 16 pages.

 

[iceberg]

Obviously you were not paying attention. This was Senator Manchin's daughter and living in WV it was front page. It was nothing but pure greed. Manchin wasn't even able to defend it.

That isn't relevant to my point.

In a free-market capitalist system, alternatives to EpiPen would be on the market. Assuming that the information is accurate, that epinephrine has been around since 1906, that is not patented, that it costs 10 cents to synthesize, and if the hospital I posted above, can in fact make EpiPen alternatives for just $25 for a pack....

Then someone somewhere should have been able to offer cheaper alternatives to Mylon, for a fraction of the price, decades ago, and make millions doing so.

There is only one possible explanation for why this was not done. The market is not a free-market capitalist system, because the government regulations, and controlling agencies, has prevented people from entering the market.

In my research, there were a total of 5 different alternatives to the EpiPen operating elsewhere in the world. One from Canada, Sweden, and a few others.

Now that should give you a clue, that the Free-market Capitalist system works, when it is allowed to do so.

Because... the EpiPen was already cheaper in Europe, than in the US, and yet cheaper alternatives popped up in Europe in price competition, when the product is more expensive here. Obviously if the product is more expensive in the US, then there is a greater profit potential for cheaper alternatives here.

Then why was there no cheaper alternatives here in the US for decades?

Again.. the answer is obvious. Left-wing socialist regulations and controls prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Senator Manchin's daughter has nothing to do with that. Government controls and socialist regulations and agencies like the FDA prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Who, between the right-wing and left-wing, generally is in favor of more regulations and controls? And who is in favor of reducing regulations and controls?

Obviously left-wingers are the ones in favor of government control. Then after giving government control, the left-wing wants to complain that people in government use that control in their favor, like Senator Manchin's daughter.

Well, you can whine about Senator Manchin's daughter, but the reality is, those who supported government control in the first place, are the ones to blame for Senator Manchin's daughter being able to engage in whatever they did.

This is just like Hugo Chavez's daughter. So under Chavez, the government was directly involved in food markets. Not only did they enact price controls, but they also themselves started buying and distributing food. Of course after they ruined the market, that resulted in the biggest supplier of food, being the government. Hugo Chavez's daughter, setup a front company outside the country, to keep profits from rice from Argentina, at greatly increased prices, paid for by the Venezuelan people.
Hugo Chávez's Favorite Daughter Implicated In Argentinian Rice Corruption Scandal

Again, how was this able happen? Because in a free-market, where rice was sold at stores at voluntary prices, no one would be forced to pay excessive prices for rice from only one company left in the market.

Well obviously, because the public voted for Hugo Chavez, which destroyed the market, and the result was a monopoly that Hugo Chavez's daughter could exploit.

Ayn Rand has a great video on Youtube, about the two kinds of Capitalism. And specifically talks about this exact situation with EpiPen, and the Rice in Venezuela, all the way back in 50s or whenever this talk happened.



So once again, you can scream and yell about the companies, but ultimately it's the left-wingers and socialists that are to blame for everything.

The free market capitalists do not want free market capitalism to work. I've said all along that I will go right along the day the Fed is shut down. Until that happens there is no use in even discussing it.

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

no. you don't get it.

it doesn't have jack shit to do with trump.

 

[initforme]

Why would any american be against sending money out to americans during this time? Do you hate people? You have no leg to stand on and no this is not socialism. Not even close.

 

[pknopp]

That isn't relevant to my point.

In a free-market capitalist system, alternatives to EpiPen would be on the market. Assuming that the information is accurate, that epinephrine has been around since 1906, that is not patented, that it costs 10 cents to synthesize, and if the hospital I posted above, can in fact make EpiPen alternatives for just $25 for a pack....

Then someone somewhere should have been able to offer cheaper alternatives to Mylon, for a fraction of the price, decades ago, and make millions doing so.

There is only one possible explanation for why this was not done. The market is not a free-market capitalist system, because the government regulations, and controlling agencies, has prevented people from entering the market.

In my research, there were a total of 5 different alternatives to the EpiPen operating elsewhere in the world. One from Canada, Sweden, and a few others.

Now that should give you a clue, that the Free-market Capitalist system works, when it is allowed to do so.

Because... the EpiPen was already cheaper in Europe, than in the US, and yet cheaper alternatives popped up in Europe in price competition, when the product is more expensive here. Obviously if the product is more expensive in the US, then there is a greater profit potential for cheaper alternatives here.

Then why was there no cheaper alternatives here in the US for decades?

Again.. the answer is obvious. Left-wing socialist regulations and controls prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Senator Manchin's daughter has nothing to do with that. Government controls and socialist regulations and agencies like the FDA prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Who, between the right-wing and left-wing, generally is in favor of more regulations and controls? And who is in favor of reducing regulations and controls?

Obviously left-wingers are the ones in favor of government control. Then after giving government control, the left-wing wants to complain that people in government use that control in their favor, like Senator Manchin's daughter.

Well, you can whine about Senator Manchin's daughter, but the reality is, those who supported government control in the first place, are the ones to blame for Senator Manchin's daughter being able to engage in whatever they did.

This is just like Hugo Chavez's daughter. So under Chavez, the government was directly involved in food markets. Not only did they enact price controls, but they also themselves started buying and distributing food. Of course after they ruined the market, that resulted in the biggest supplier of food, being the government. Hugo Chavez's daughter, setup a front company outside the country, to keep profits from rice from Argentina, at greatly increased prices, paid for by the Venezuelan people.
Hugo Chávez's Favorite Daughter Implicated In Argentinian Rice Corruption Scandal

Again, how was this able happen? Because in a free-market, where rice was sold at stores at voluntary prices, no one would be forced to pay excessive prices for rice from only one company left in the market.

Well obviously, because the public voted for Hugo Chavez, which destroyed the market, and the result was a monopoly that Hugo Chavez's daughter could exploit.

Ayn Rand has a great video on Youtube, about the two kinds of Capitalism. And specifically talks about this exact situation with EpiPen, and the Rice in Venezuela, all the way back in 50s or whenever this talk happened.



So once again, you can scream and yell about the companies, but ultimately it's the left-wingers and socialists that are to blame for everything.

The free market capitalists do not want free market capitalism to work. I've said all along that I will go right along the day the Fed is shut down. Until that happens there is no use in even discussing it.

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

Sure, I disagree with some of his actions. But still way better than the embarrassing "Negative interest rates are taking people's money from their accounts!" that you've been spewing for 16 pages.

Tell Trump to drop the idea, not me.

 

[pknopp]

That isn't relevant to my point.

In a free-market capitalist system, alternatives to EpiPen would be on the market. Assuming that the information is accurate, that epinephrine has been around since 1906, that is not patented, that it costs 10 cents to synthesize, and if the hospital I posted above, can in fact make EpiPen alternatives for just $25 for a pack....

Then someone somewhere should have been able to offer cheaper alternatives to Mylon, for a fraction of the price, decades ago, and make millions doing so.

There is only one possible explanation for why this was not done. The market is not a free-market capitalist system, because the government regulations, and controlling agencies, has prevented people from entering the market.

In my research, there were a total of 5 different alternatives to the EpiPen operating elsewhere in the world. One from Canada, Sweden, and a few others.

Now that should give you a clue, that the Free-market Capitalist system works, when it is allowed to do so.

Because... the EpiPen was already cheaper in Europe, than in the US, and yet cheaper alternatives popped up in Europe in price competition, when the product is more expensive here. Obviously if the product is more expensive in the US, then there is a greater profit potential for cheaper alternatives here.

Then why was there no cheaper alternatives here in the US for decades?

Again.. the answer is obvious. Left-wing socialist regulations and controls prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Senator Manchin's daughter has nothing to do with that. Government controls and socialist regulations and agencies like the FDA prevented the introduction of alternatives.

Who, between the right-wing and left-wing, generally is in favor of more regulations and controls? And who is in favor of reducing regulations and controls?

Obviously left-wingers are the ones in favor of government control. Then after giving government control, the left-wing wants to complain that people in government use that control in their favor, like Senator Manchin's daughter.

Well, you can whine about Senator Manchin's daughter, but the reality is, those who supported government control in the first place, are the ones to blame for Senator Manchin's daughter being able to engage in whatever they did.

This is just like Hugo Chavez's daughter. So under Chavez, the government was directly involved in food markets. Not only did they enact price controls, but they also themselves started buying and distributing food. Of course after they ruined the market, that resulted in the biggest supplier of food, being the government. Hugo Chavez's daughter, setup a front company outside the country, to keep profits from rice from Argentina, at greatly increased prices, paid for by the Venezuelan people.
Hugo Chávez's Favorite Daughter Implicated In Argentinian Rice Corruption Scandal

Again, how was this able happen? Because in a free-market, where rice was sold at stores at voluntary prices, no one would be forced to pay excessive prices for rice from only one company left in the market.

Well obviously, because the public voted for Hugo Chavez, which destroyed the market, and the result was a monopoly that Hugo Chavez's daughter could exploit.

Ayn Rand has a great video on Youtube, about the two kinds of Capitalism. And specifically talks about this exact situation with EpiPen, and the Rice in Venezuela, all the way back in 50s or whenever this talk happened.



So once again, you can scream and yell about the companies, but ultimately it's the left-wingers and socialists that are to blame for everything.

The free market capitalists do not want free market capitalism to work. I've said all along that I will go right along the day the Fed is shut down. Until that happens there is no use in even discussing it.

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

no. you don't get it.

it doesn't have jack shit to do with trump.

Of course it does. Trump is doing the very things you have argued against and you don't know how to act other than to lash out at others.

 

[Andylusion]

Why would any American be against sending money out to americans during this time? Do you hate people? You have no leg to stand on and no this is not socialism. Not even close.

The issue is only that it's a political stunt to help Trump.

Giving out money, is not going to solve anything. It just isn't.

You think a few hundred dollars is going to actually make a difference when mortgage comes due?
Or that when you miss two weeks worth of pay, is going to be made up by a small check?

And more importantly, we need to teach people to be self sufficient. The solution is not, to sit around and wait for government to fix your life every time there is a crisis.

Instead the solution is to save money for a rainy day.
Instead the solution is to have family and friends.
Instead the solution is to have community and church.

If your solution is to wait for government to send you a check... ok you get the few hundred bucks. You buy food. Now what? You die?

You think government is going to be able to keep sending out money to keep everyone afloat? Can't happen.

So that's my issue. Yes, this will be a great boast for Trump politically. But I don't give a crap about that. I'm more interested in what the long term moral hazard of having people live irresponsibly, because they think government will save them every time something happens in this world.

 

[Andylusion]

The free market capitalists do not want free market capitalism to work. I've said all along that I will go right along the day the Fed is shut down. Until that happens there is no use in even discussing it.

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

Sure, I disagree with some of his actions. But still way better than the embarrassing "Negative interest rates are taking people's money from their accounts!" that you've been spewing for 16 pages.

Tell Trump to drop the idea, not me.

He's not the one falsely suggesting people's money is going to be stolen by "the market". You are the one making that ridiculous claim.

 

[pknopp]

So you make up stuff, and then say there is no use in even discussion it, after discussing it for 16 pages or more.

you people....

He talks in circles. each piece may seem different to him but he never seems to see the wake of contradictions he leaves behind.

I get it. Trump's all out Socialism is embarrassing you.

Sure, I disagree with some of his actions. But still way better than the embarrassing "Negative interest rates are taking people's money from their accounts!" that you've been spewing for 16 pages.

Tell Trump to drop the idea, not me.

He's not the one falsely suggesting people's money is going to be stolen by "the market". You are the one making that ridiculous claim.

He is the one wanting to do that.