Palestine Today

[Hollie]

One of the first rules in the maintenance of the Islamic Death Cult is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal islamic oppressor(s).

When brutal, theocratic fear societies look to strengthen themselves internally, a reliable tactic is to whip its citizens into a hateful frenzy over invented external enemies and their internal agents. It works best when it's a full-blown, across the board effort.



Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

As the 53rd anniversary of the January 1, 1965 founding of the Fatah movement approached, and in light of increased Palestinian-U.S. tension following President Trump's December 6, 2017 recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, Fatah announced that the main slogan for its anniversary would be "The Year of Confrontation [with Israel] and of Defense of the Holy Places."[1]

Against this backdrop, the Fatah movement posted numerous posts and tweets on its official social media accounts glorifying its years of armed struggle, with an emphasis on the second intifada, as well as female Fatah members' participation in this struggle, including in suicide attacks. The accounts also posted slogans supporting the armed struggle, calls to bear arms, and portraits of senior movement members imprisoned in Israel.

It should be noted that messages advocating violence were also posted recently on the Facebook account of the Fatah branch in Al-Doha village, in the Bethlehem area, that included expressing pride for Fatah members' stabbing attacks and firing of rockets. One of the messages even said that there was room in the country for only a single identity – the Palestinian identity.

The following are translated examples of these recent posts on Fatah's Facebook and Twitter account.

 

[abi]

One of the first rules in the maintenance of the Islamic Death Cult is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal islamic oppressor(s).

When brutal, theocratic fear societies look to strengthen themselves internally, a reliable tactic is to whip its citizens into a hateful frenzy over invented external enemies and their internal agents. It works best when it's a full-blown, across the board effort.



Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

As the 53rd anniversary of the January 1, 1965 founding of the Fatah movement approached, and in light of increased Palestinian-U.S. tension following President Trump's December 6, 2017 recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, Fatah announced that the main slogan for its anniversary would be "The Year of Confrontation [with Israel] and of Defense of the Holy Places."[1]

Against this backdrop, the Fatah movement posted numerous posts and tweets on its official social media accounts glorifying its years of armed struggle, with an emphasis on the second intifada, as well as female Fatah members' participation in this struggle, including in suicide attacks. The accounts also posted slogans supporting the armed struggle, calls to bear arms, and portraits of senior movement members imprisoned in Israel.

It should be noted that messages advocating violence were also posted recently on the Facebook account of the Fatah branch in Al-Doha village, in the Bethlehem area, that included expressing pride for Fatah members' stabbing attacks and firing of rockets. One of the messages even said that there was room in the country for only a single identity – the Palestinian identity.

The following are translated examples of these recent posts on Fatah's Facebook and Twitter account.

That is from MEMRI again. Vet your sources. This one is designed to keep you in your state of confusion.

 

[Hollie]

One of the first rules in the maintenance of the Islamic Death Cult is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal islamic oppressor(s).

When brutal, theocratic fear societies look to strengthen themselves internally, a reliable tactic is to whip its citizens into a hateful frenzy over invented external enemies and their internal agents. It works best when it's a full-blown, across the board effort.



Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

As the 53rd anniversary of the January 1, 1965 founding of the Fatah movement approached, and in light of increased Palestinian-U.S. tension following President Trump's December 6, 2017 recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, Fatah announced that the main slogan for its anniversary would be "The Year of Confrontation [with Israel] and of Defense of the Holy Places."[1]

Against this backdrop, the Fatah movement posted numerous posts and tweets on its official social media accounts glorifying its years of armed struggle, with an emphasis on the second intifada, as well as female Fatah members' participation in this struggle, including in suicide attacks. The accounts also posted slogans supporting the armed struggle, calls to bear arms, and portraits of senior movement members imprisoned in Israel.

It should be noted that messages advocating violence were also posted recently on the Facebook account of the Fatah branch in Al-Doha village, in the Bethlehem area, that included expressing pride for Fatah members' stabbing attacks and firing of rockets. One of the messages even said that there was room in the country for only a single identity – the Palestinian identity.

The following are translated examples of these recent posts on Fatah's Facebook and Twitter account.

That is from MEMRI again. Vet your sources. This one is designed to keep you in your state of confusion.

You’re getting infuriated because I’m linking to the dark places you dwell in?

 

[Hollie]

Yes. "education and culture" of the Islamic terrorist brand.

Suicide in the name of the islamo-Death Cult is not suicide, its "martyrdom". While Moslems have not invented the idea of suicide/mass murder, they have donated to humanity the sprawling, ideological notion of “martyrdom" defined as the wholesale slaughtering of humans who are either the "wrong kind" of moslems or those who, for other reasons, just plain deserve to die. Suicide bombings, strapping explosives on children, etc., etc. it’s all a part of the Death Cult history that has come to define Islamism.





Fatah Social Media Accounts Glorify Armed Struggle Against Israel, Incite To Violence

Praise For Female Fatah Suicide Bombers

In recent days, Fatah has posted various posters and banners on its official Facebook page and Twitter accounts to mark the 53rd anniversary of its activity. Notable among these were posters bearing the portraits of female Fatah members who carried out suicide attacks in Jerusalem. Among these was a portrait of Wafa Idris, the first female Palestinian suicide bomber; she was from the Al-Am'ari refugee camp on the outskirts of Ramallah and, on January 27, 2002, carried out a suicide attack on Jerusalem's Jaffa Road for which Fatah's military wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility.

Also published were posters bearing the portraits of other female Fatah members who had perpetrated suicide bombings in Jerusalem: Ayat Al-Akhras, who carried out March 2002 supermarket attack; 'Andaleeb Taqataqa, who carried out the April 2002 Mahane Yehuda market attack, and Zainab Abu-Salem, who carried out the September 2004 French Hill junction attack.

Other posts included photos of other female Fatah operatives who had carried out attacks prior to the Oslo Agreements, such as Dalal Al-Mughrabi, deputy commander of the Fatah squad that carried out the 1978 Coastal Road attack in Israel in which 38 Israelis were killed and 71 wounded. Al-Mughrabi is a Palestinian icon; official events commemorating her are organized by the PA, and public buildings are named for her.[2]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

Genesis, Chapter 10...you believed in it until it defeated your argument.
But now I'm on your side as I'm in a giddy, "make fun of Babbly" mood.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

There is no reason to believe the Jewish people ever abandoned the territory.

Yeah, that’s awkward for you, no?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

(COMMENT)

The Map says "Lebanon" and not the "Lebanese Republic."

The Map says "Syria" and not the "Syrian Arab Republic.

The Map says "Trans-Jordan" and not the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan."

The Map says "Egypt" and I'm really not sure if it was the "Arab Republic of Egypt" yet, or still the "British Protectorate of Egypt.

AND IN 1947, the technical /political name of the place called "Palestine" was the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applied; herein after called Palestine. As you have read, no doubt, Palestine was a legal entity, but it is not a sovereign state.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

(COMMENT)

The Map says "Lebanon" and not the "Lebanese Republic."

The Map says "Syria" and not the "Syrian Arab Republic.

The Map says "Trans-Jordan" and not the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan."

The Map says "Egypt" and I'm really not sure if it was the "Arab Republic of Egypt" yet, or still the "British Protectorate of Egypt.

AND IN 1947, the technical /political name of the place called "Palestine" was the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applied; herein after called Palestine. As you have read, no doubt, Palestine was a legal entity, but it is not a sovereign state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you deny that in 450 BC, Herodotus referred to the area between Egypt and Phoenicia as Palestine?

Do you further deny that around 340 BC, Aristotle refereed to the Dead Sea as "a lake in Palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

 

[abi]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

Basically, if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs, yes?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

Basically, if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs, yes?

Don't confuse land ownership (civil real estate concept) and sovereignty (a political concept).

v/r
R

 

[abi]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

Basically, if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs, yes?

Don't confuse land ownership (civil real estate concept) and sovereignty (a political concept).

v/r
R

I havn't, thanks for clarifying.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel)

That is why it is called occupied Palestinian territory.

You are always grasping at straws and bending history.

 

[Shusha]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

Basically, if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs, yes?

Certainly, if a sovereign abandons a territory, it is "no longer theirs". I'm not convinced that a people, especially an indigenous people, can abandon a territory. Can you give an example? One that does not involve conquest, invasion and colonization?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ montelatici, et al,

REMEMBER: • A/RES/37/43 • was written in 1982 → eight years after the Seventh Arab League Summit Conference (1974) declared the Palestine Liberation Organization ( the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. And A/RES/37/43 → was written six years before the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties to the West Bank and Jerusalem (July 1988), an move by an Arab League member hat stripped the inhabitants of their Jordanian citizenship. A move that abandon the territory into the hands of the only effective control (Israel) → and an action that happened six years before the PLO Declared Independence [A/43/827 - S/20278 (November 1988)].

The Palestinians will resist the hostile military occupiers/colonists as all native people have throughout history.

Surprised you would mention UN Res. 43, to wit:

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

The vast majority of the world knows that the Israelis are the hostiles.

(HISTORY)

"The Jewish Agency accepted the resolution despite its dissatisfaction over such matters as Jewish emigration from Europe and the territorial limits set on the proposed Jewish State. The plan was not accepted by the Palestinian Arabs and Arab States on the ground that it violated the provisions of the United Nations Charter, which granted people the right to decide their own destiny."

(COMMENT)

• After the adoption of A/RES/181 (II), what was a low level intensity civil conflict which started in mid-1946 was followed by an greater intensity in the conflict of Palestine. (Question of Palestine)

• In February 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) threaten open warfare if the UN did not do its bend to the will of the AHC and do its bidding. (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948) On the implementation of the Jewish acceptance portion, the Arab League launch a coordinated attack from four directions. It was not an idle threat.

• On or about 10pm 16 May 1967, the Commanding General (CG) and Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces
of the United Arab Republic ordered General Rikhye [CG UN Emergency Forces (UNEF)] maintaining the buffer zone between Israeli Forces and the Egyptian Forces on the Sinai Frontier, to withdraw the UN Forces. The purpose of the UNEF was to prevent a recurrence of armed conflict between the two forces. (A/6730 & Add.1-3 & A/6730/Add.3/Corr.1 26 June 1967) "The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio Next day (17 May) Cairo Radio: “All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel.”

• 28 May: “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference ​

Each threat was credible, and each threat came with an act in the furtherance of the conflict.

Form the very beginning of the Jewish State of Israel, the Israelis have had to face the opposition with few allies. This is the story of the trek behind the Jewish People. Until the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there has been no real safe place in which to retreat. Now there is. And it is unlikely that given, they would never survive if they were placed under the protection of the Arab League neighboring nations, that the Israelis would every give-up their hard earned sovereignty.

There are ≈ 340 million people in the Arab League; while there are only 3+ million Israelis. The Muslim nations of the Region have been opposed to the concept of the Jewish National Home for more than a century. And there are very few countries in Europe that has not used royal decrees and crafted legislation for laws to persecute and exploit the Jewish People. No one wants to go back to that scenario.

One final note: This has been said many times and in many different ways, but has always reflected the sentiment of the Arab world of the region.

Khartoum Resolution of 1967: This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.​

The Arab Palestinians still maintain that philosophy. And this as long as they adhere to that philosophy, they will be whittled away, piece by agonizing piece; in the tormented hope that they will someday be a real nation. What are the odds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

Not to mention that the Palestinians have never abandoned their territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ abi, et al,

Oh, you say that if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs. I keep seeing the zionists argue the opposite which is weird.

I will let you look up the term "terra nullis" and then how it applies to the West Bank.

The mere act of discovery by one state is not enough to confer a title by occupation. There are two requirements (i) the territory subject to claim must not be under the sovereignty of nay state ( terra nullius) (ii) the state must have effectively occupied the territory.

Jordan abandon and Israel was in effective control.

v/r
R

Basically, if a people abandon a territory it is no longer theirs, yes?

Certainly, if a sovereign abandons a territory, it is "no longer theirs". I'm not convinced that a people, especially an indigenous people, can abandon a territory. Can you give an example? One that does not involve conquest, invasion and colonization?

Now we are getting down to the basics.

But true sovereignty belongs to the people, who in turn delegate it to their governments.

The People's Sovereignty​

If a government relinquishes that sovereignty it reverts back to the people for they are the true sovereigns. Occupying powers do not acquire sovereignty over occupied territory. The Palestinians have never relinquished sovereignty over Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A cultural oasis in the besieged Gaza Strip: Support the ‘Edward Said Public Library’

Those of us denouncing the decade-long siege on the Gaza Strip can help alleviate its impact, even as we continue to organize to bring an end to it. One way we can do this is by supporting the Edward Said Public Library, an oasis of escape, creativity, and cheerfulness in an otherwise gloomy environment.

The Edward Said Public Library
is the brainchild of 25-year old Mosab Abu Toha, an avid reader, book-lover, and graduate of the English Department at the Islamic University of Gaza. The university was hit by a missile during Israel’s 2014 assault, which killed thousands of innocent civilians and further devastated the besieged strip’s infrastructure. Abu Toha’s own house was also hit during the war, and his small library was destroyed. Friends pitched in, offering replacements for Abu Toha’s books, and as more books came in, he thought about opening a public library, so as others could benefit from the generous donations.

A cultural oasis in the besieged Gaza Strip: Support the ‘Edward Said Public Library’