Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Photos of the house of Palestinian family of Abu Humaid after it was demolished by Israeli forces for the 5th time, in El Amari refugee camp in Al Berih city.

For perspective, lets talk about this family who has had their home destroyed.

There are six male children in this family.

Three are in prison for murdering Israelis. Two are in prison for other serious security offenses. One was killed while he was acting in part of an ambush.

Now, I'm not necessarily arguing that home demolition is the morally correct thing to do here. But for those of you who argue that Israel shouldn't be doing these things, please suggest an alternative that Israel can use to deter ENTIRE FAMILIES from this kind of terrorism.

And, Tinmore, please, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT come back with "only Israel can end Israel's war". Give us some concrete, morally and legally appropriate ways for Israel to deter or otherwise prevent terrorist acts from Arab Palestinians. (Not that I'm expecting you to actually answer that. You never do.)

"only Israel can end Israel's war".

Indeed.

 

[admonit]

RE Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore,

This little snippet about the all-inclusive set of all (an absolute statement → 100%) "Israeli Leaders" makes for a good bumper sticker or a title to a chapter in a work of fiction. It is even emphasized annotated in the description as being a fact with "no exception or variation."

There are very few things I know of that do not require reasoning. That is some manner of a process that seeks to understand the differences between good and bad - or - sound and valid. Today, we see just so much the nonsense which itself consists of solely of a declarative statement of one single proposition ("Israeli Leader" = "War Criminal"). It does not even pretend to be a presentation of an argument [either demonstrating validity and soundness (deductive) or statements that are rated by their strength in merit (weak → strong or inductive)], which themselves consist of at least two propositions (with each proposition being either true or false - but not both).

View attachment 288726

All Israeli leaders, no exception, are war criminals who rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

In the opening statement, supra, we see just how ridiculous a literal interpretation of the statement is. Yet, it does have this ring of truth that Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) love to cling. There are two conjunctive simple propositions in this claim unified theme:

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders are War Criminals.

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.​

The question is, of course, one of the wisdom in entangling the twin ethical concept of "War Criminals" with that of the concept of "Slaughtering Palestinians" (both equally ambiguous). And we know that this relationship and entanglement is a fallacy of sorts. The "defeat" of the asymmetric warfare operators (Palestinians) does not equate to a War Crime. The use of the language and the application is not to impart knowledge. There is no question but that it is to "appeal to the emotion" (Vehemence Argument).

The following Essay surveys anew familiar issues in the international law governing the use of force. It concludes that adherence to the requirements of economy of coercion-the principles of necessity and proportionality-holds out the best hope that those using force in self-defense will follow the laws of war while achieving their lawful objectives against those who engage in asymmetrical warfare without regard to such laws.
By Dr. Nicholas Rostow • Director, Center for Strategic Research, National Defense University • Senior Director of the Center for Strategic Research • and a Senior Research Scholar at the Yale Law School.

Most Respectfully,
R

You just believe that Israel can do no wrong.

Israel does lots wrong.

Good to know.

 

[Shusha]

Photos of the house of Palestinian family of Abu Humaid after it was demolished by Israeli forces for the 5th time, in El Amari refugee camp in Al Berih city.

For perspective, lets talk about this family who has had their home destroyed.

There are six male children in this family.

Three are in prison for murdering Israelis. Two are in prison for other serious security offenses. One was killed while he was acting in part of an ambush.

Now, I'm not necessarily arguing that home demolition is the morally correct thing to do here. But for those of you who argue that Israel shouldn't be doing these things, please suggest an alternative that Israel can use to deter ENTIRE FAMILIES from this kind of terrorism.

And, Tinmore, please, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT come back with "only Israel can end Israel's war". Give us some concrete, morally and legally appropriate ways for Israel to deter or otherwise prevent terrorist acts from Arab Palestinians. (Not that I'm expecting you to actually answer that. You never do.)

"only Israel can end Israel's war".

Indeed.

Lame.

 

[Shusha]

RE Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore,

This little snippet about the all-inclusive set of all (an absolute statement → 100%) "Israeli Leaders" makes for a good bumper sticker or a title to a chapter in a work of fiction. It is even emphasized annotated in the description as being a fact with "no exception or variation."

There are very few things I know of that do not require reasoning. That is some manner of a process that seeks to understand the differences between good and bad - or - sound and valid. Today, we see just so much the nonsense which itself consists of solely of a declarative statement of one single proposition ("Israeli Leader" = "War Criminal"). It does not even pretend to be a presentation of an argument [either demonstrating validity and soundness (deductive) or statements that are rated by their strength in merit (weak → strong or inductive)], which themselves consist of at least two propositions (with each proposition being either true or false - but not both).

View attachment 288726

All Israeli leaders, no exception, are war criminals who rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

In the opening statement, supra, we see just how ridiculous a literal interpretation of the statement is. Yet, it does have this ring of truth that Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) love to cling. There are two conjunctive simple propositions in this claim unified theme:

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders are War Criminals.

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.​

The question is, of course, one of the wisdom in entangling the twin ethical concept of "War Criminals" with that of the concept of "Slaughtering Palestinians" (both equally ambiguous). And we know that this relationship and entanglement is a fallacy of sorts. The "defeat" of the asymmetric warfare operators (Palestinians) does not equate to a War Crime. The use of the language and the application is not to impart knowledge. There is no question but that it is to "appeal to the emotion" (Vehemence Argument).

The following Essay surveys anew familiar issues in the international law governing the use of force. It concludes that adherence to the requirements of economy of coercion-the principles of necessity and proportionality-holds out the best hope that those using force in self-defense will follow the laws of war while achieving their lawful objectives against those who engage in asymmetrical warfare without regard to such laws.
By Dr. Nicholas Rostow • Director, Center for Strategic Research, National Defense University • Senior Director of the Center for Strategic Research • and a Senior Research Scholar at the Yale Law School.

Most Respectfully,
R

You just believe that Israel can do no wrong.

Israel does lots wrong.

Good to know.

Are you going to argue that Israel is perfect?

 

[admonit]

RE Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore,

This little snippet about the all-inclusive set of all (an absolute statement → 100%) "Israeli Leaders" makes for a good bumper sticker or a title to a chapter in a work of fiction. It is even emphasized annotated in the description as being a fact with "no exception or variation."

There are very few things I know of that do not require reasoning. That is some manner of a process that seeks to understand the differences between good and bad - or - sound and valid. Today, we see just so much the nonsense which itself consists of solely of a declarative statement of one single proposition ("Israeli Leader" = "War Criminal"). It does not even pretend to be a presentation of an argument [either demonstrating validity and soundness (deductive) or statements that are rated by their strength in merit (weak → strong or inductive)], which themselves consist of at least two propositions (with each proposition being either true or false - but not both).

View attachment 288726

All Israeli leaders, no exception, are war criminals who rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

In the opening statement, supra, we see just how ridiculous a literal interpretation of the statement is. Yet, it does have this ring of truth that Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) love to cling. There are two conjunctive simple propositions in this claim unified theme:

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders are War Criminals.

✦ ALL Israeli Leaders rose to power by slaughtering Palestinians.​

The question is, of course, one of the wisdom in entangling the twin ethical concept of "War Criminals" with that of the concept of "Slaughtering Palestinians" (both equally ambiguous). And we know that this relationship and entanglement is a fallacy of sorts. The "defeat" of the asymmetric warfare operators (Palestinians) does not equate to a War Crime. The use of the language and the application is not to impart knowledge. There is no question but that it is to "appeal to the emotion" (Vehemence Argument).

The following Essay surveys anew familiar issues in the international law governing the use of force. It concludes that adherence to the requirements of economy of coercion-the principles of necessity and proportionality-holds out the best hope that those using force in self-defense will follow the laws of war while achieving their lawful objectives against those who engage in asymmetrical warfare without regard to such laws.
By Dr. Nicholas Rostow • Director, Center for Strategic Research, National Defense University • Senior Director of the Center for Strategic Research • and a Senior Research Scholar at the Yale Law School.

Most Respectfully,
R

You just believe that Israel can do no wrong.

Israel does lots wrong.

Good to know.

Are you going to argue that Israel is perfect?

Are you going to argue that the only alternative to "doing lots wrong" is "perfect"?
You blame Israel in "doing lots wrong", without elaborating, in the context of this antisemitic thread - that was the reason for my remark.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today

⁜→ et al,


Now we are becoming rather philosophical → with the question → Is Israel:

✦ Perfect or Imperfect

✦ Right or Wrong

✦ Good or Evil​

This is (in a round-about way) claiming that the Israeli way of life and culture is fundamentally flawed, because the culture has not been proven to be "perfect," - "right," - "good." And that the culture of Israel cannot be defending because the government, the way of life, the morality/ethics and the justice system is imperfect.

The question of Israel, from the Arab Palestinian perspective:

✦ Views the establish of Israel as unlawful, improper, unprincipled or discordant because the Arab Palestinians were opposed to the process by which it employed the right of self-determination.

✦ It severely criticizes the resurrection of the Jewish National Home when the path set by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic, which renounced all rights and title - handing-over the territories in question into the hands of the Allied Powers and allowed the future of these territories to be settled by the parties to the Treaty → as an instrument of victory.

✦ The concepts established through the Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void simply because the outcome is not to the satisfaction of the Arab Palestinian.

✦ Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the conception of what constitutes statehood.

✦ That Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality.

✦ The Jews cannot establish their own nation with an identity of their own.

✦ The Arab Palestinians are entitled to the entirety of Palestine, with the boundaries Palestine had during the British Mandate period.
​

And the Arab Palestine entangles America by claiming the Americans enable crimes and sins committed by the Jews against the Arab Palestinians, and that the Israelis have no right to the terriotrial integrity.

So, in the end, the Arab Palestinians believe that they are entitled something, based on an unknown, over actions taken since the end of The Great War (WWI).

Somehow, the Leaders of the various Arab Palestinian movements argue that sovereignty under their leadership would be - somehow - qualitatively better than that presented by the Israeli.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Mindful]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thanks, but this is not the comedy thread.

 

[Mindful]

Thanks, but this is not the comedy thread.

Oh?

And I thought it was. Given your contributions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Photo of the #Palestinian child Mohammed 'Abdul Rahim, 12-year-old from al-'Arroub refugee camp, He was slapped and #beaten by the terrorist #zionist occupation forces at the entrance of the camp while going back home from his school, yesterday.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian NASA spacecraft engineer Nujoud Merancy poses in a suit with tatreez - traditional Palestinian embroidery - for a new NASA headshot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Damascus Gate in #Jerusalem in the early 20th century

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli occupation forces arrested the #student at #Birzeit #university Mais Hanatsheh after summon her for interrogation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Photos from the Return camps east of Gaza city .
#GreatReturnMarch

 

[P F Tinmore]

Photos from the Return camps east of Gaza city .
#GreatReturnMarch

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today

⁜→ et al,


Now we are becoming rather philosophical → with the question → Is Israel:

✦ Perfect or Imperfect

✦ Right or Wrong

✦ Good or Evil​

This is (in a round-about way) claiming that the Israeli way of life and culture is fundamentally flawed, because the culture has not been proven to be "perfect," - "right," - "good." And that the culture of Israel cannot be defending because the government, the way of life, the morality/ethics and the justice system is imperfect.

The question of Israel, from the Arab Palestinian perspective:

✦ Views the establish of Israel as unlawful, improper, unprincipled or discordant because the Arab Palestinians were opposed to the process by which it employed the right of self-determination.

✦ It severely criticizes the resurrection of the Jewish National Home when the path set by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic, which renounced all rights and title - handing-over the territories in question into the hands of the Allied Powers and allowed the future of these territories to be settled by the parties to the Treaty → as an instrument of victory.

✦ The concepts established through the Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void simply because the outcome is not to the satisfaction of the Arab Palestinian.

✦ Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the conception of what constitutes statehood.

✦ That Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality.

✦ The Jews cannot establish their own nation with an identity of their own.

✦ The Arab Palestinians are entitled to the entirety of Palestine, with the boundaries Palestine had during the British Mandate period.
​

And the Arab Palestine entangles America by claiming the Americans enable crimes and sins committed by the Jews against the Arab Palestinians, and that the Israelis have no right to the terriotrial integrity.

So, in the end, the Arab Palestinians believe that they are entitled something, based on an unknown, over actions taken since the end of The Great War (WWI).

Somehow, the Leaders of the various Arab Palestinian movements argue that sovereignty under their leadership would be - somehow - qualitatively better than that presented by the Israeli.


Most Respectfully,
R

The idea that Israel is not perfect, right, or good is a distraction from the real issue. The real issue is the settler colonial project.

Settler colonialism is when the natives are removed and they are replaced by foreign settlers. It is an aggressive act. This was started before 1948 and continues to today.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No Hamas flags. No uniforms. No guns.