Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's kangaroo court system.

Why All the Fuss About Palestinian Prisoners/Martyrs?​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not a Conflict: Against Anti-Semitism and for Palestinian with Malkah Bird​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not a “Cycle of Violence” but a Cycle of Impunity​

 

[P F Tinmore]

More of Israel's bullshit terrorist propaganda campaign.

Conflating Human Rights Advocacy with Terrorism​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ep. 52 - Looking Into It​

 

[P F Tinmore]

#Palestine: Videos of violence, images of death on social media | The Listening Post​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel-Gaza: How can conflict de-escalate? - BBC Newsnight​

All of the aggression is from Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jerusalem: Al-Aqsa In The Snipers Scope w/ Lowkey & Dr. Ramzy Baroud​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Your posting 3013 is so screwed-up with misleading and false information as to be an intentional deception.

The UN did not change anything. Not a single thing. The use to the term state did not apply to anything the Arab Palestinian held sovereign over. Article 80 applies to independently govern institutions when it says "state." It did not apply to any entity unable to put a functioning government together. The Arab Palestinians rejected every invitation to become party to building of self-governing institutions.

Another point is that no-one denied the Arab Palestinian the Right of Self-Determination. The Right of Self-Determination does not mean they get a state of their own. They still have to assemble it, with all the working pieces.

The Arab Palestinians did not have anything resembling a government that carried out the functions of government.

The Arab Palestinians are NOT under colonial domination. They are a corrupt country which openly advocates murder and mayhem. Israel is what it is. If you turn the Arab Palestinians loose on the world, there is no reasonable expectation of any long term peace. When the Israelis unilaterally gave the Gaza Strip control, they immediately turned into a government that has the singular purpose of terrorism.

None of the 5 General Assembly Resolutions are binding or constitute law.
You are grasping at straws.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine was a state during the Mandate period. After the Mandate left in 1948, and the UN dropped the ball on its trusteeship, the Palestinians declared independence. Even though recognition by other states is not required, Palestine was recognized by five other states.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. Israel de facto annexed the territory it had conquered and occupied in 1948. The Green Line divides the 1948 occupied territory from the 1967 occupied territory. The Palestinians regularly call Israel "48."

 

[P F Tinmore]

SiC Podcast Episode 4: Palestine: Solidarity and Struggle​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

PREFACE: Once more, this is a mis representation of the facts.

Palestine was a state during the Mandate period.

(COMMENT)

No, this is not at all true.

My Best Reproduced Copy of Memorandum "A" of the UK Document
A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948
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Excerpt Expanded:​

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.​

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2. After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.​

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3. Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time in a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948; is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held but so far as His Majesty’s Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.​

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4. After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.​

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5. His Majesty’s Government will recognise the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine.​

Between the time this Memorandum was written (FEB 1948) and first three Armistice Agreements were made: 23 FEB 1949 (EGYPT), 23 MAR 1949 LEBANON, and 3 APR 1949 JORDAN) the conflict between the established Israeli Government and the three adjacent Arab League states, named here, plus Israel, had assumed political control (by Military Armistice Agreements) of all the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine.

After the Mandate left in 1948, and the UN dropped the ball on its trusteeship, the Palestinians declared independence. Even though recognition by other states is not required, Palestine was recognized by five other states.

(COMMENT)

This is simply and patently untrue. The Egyptian Military Governorship attempted to establish further control over the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine by establishing a puppet regime known as the All Palestine Government (APG)(22 SEP 48). However, by agreement made via each of the Armistice Agreement, the Armistice Agreements would remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved or by mutual consent, revise this Agreement. The APG (all the Egyptian Military Governorship) announcement of 22 SEP 1948 couldn't supersede the Armistice Agreements without reigniting the conflict. It became nothing more than political noise.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. Israel de facto annexed the territory it had conquered and occupied in 1948. The Green Line divides the 1948 occupied territory from the 1967 occupied territory. The Palestinians regularly call Israel "48."

(COMMENT)

The UN did not divide anything.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Israel did not annex anything in 1948 or in 1967. In 1948, the Jewish Community, via the Jewish Agency made by Chairman David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of a Jewish State to be known as the State of Israel (Eretz-Israel). I generally get this wrong. (I cannot remember if it is the Jewish State made Israel, or if Israel made the Jewish State.) Somewhere in the chaos of that first celebration, the Jewish National Home became a reality. That is three to four months before the Egyptians put together the skeleton APG with not institutions of self-governance. And in fact, in the intervening decade after is establishment (1959), the Egyptian Government disbanded the APG.

AND! Whatever the Palestinians call it, Israel is recognized as the nation with the highest ranking in the Human Development Index, anywhere in the Middle East North African Region.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Israel did not annex anything in 1948 or in 1967. In 1948, the Jewish Community, via the Jewish Agency made by Chairman David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of a Jewish State to be known as the State of Israel (Eretz-Israel).

Then where did Israel get territory?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, I try not to state by obvious. And I try not to state that which has been documented main times.

Then where did Israel get territory?

(COMMENT)
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At first, The Jewish National Council had every intention of accepting the apportionment recommended by A/RES/181 (II). But the War of Independence, initiated by the Arab League, produced the differing result generated by the combat outcomes. These were taken into account when the Armistice Agreements altered the zones of control.

Each of the Armistice Agreements established the Cease Fire Line with specific Arab League forces. But in the agreements, the Armistice Lines would remain in force until a more permanent agreement was established. The most current records I have are listed below.

There was not-dancing around the issue of territorial boundaries. They remain in accordance with the Principles of International Law and Friendly Relations A/RES/2625 (XXV). Now I know that there are many anti-Jewish and pro-Arab Palestinians that just disregard the Principles out of hand. Hell, the actions of the Arab Palestinians in the last 90 days have demonstrated just how much they work towards a continuation of the conflict; but there it is.

Again, the boundaries are outlined (fairly accurately) below. They do not accurately reflect the Special Provisions of Area "C" (Para 3, A/PV.2268. 14 October 1974), in the agreement the ANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs in Oslo II.
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Most Respectfully,
R

Notes

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◈ Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6 •
◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •
◈ Golan Heights Law •
◈ Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979) •
◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •
◈ Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon •

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Interpretation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, I try not to state by obvious. And I try not to state that which has been documented main times.


(COMMENT)
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At first, The Jewish National Council had every intention of accepting the apportionment recommended by A/RES/181 (II). But the War of Independence, initiated by the Arab League, produced the differing result generated by the combat outcomes. These were taken into account when the Armistice Agreements altered the zones of control.

Each of the Armistice Agreements established the Cease Fire Line with specific Arab League forces. But in the agreements, the Armistice Lines would remain in force until a more permanent agreement was established. The most current records I have are listed below.

There was not-dancing around the issue of territorial boundaries. They remain in accordance with the Principles of International Law and Friendly Relations A/RES/2625 (XXV). Now I know that there are many anti-Jewish and pro-Arab Palestinians that just disregard the Principles out of hand. Hell, the actions of the Arab Palestinians in the last 90 days have demonstrated just how much they work towards a continuation of the conflict; but there it is.

Again, the boundaries are outlined (fairly accurately) below. They do not accurately reflect the Special Provisions of Area "C" (Para 3, A/PV.2268. 14 October 1974), in the agreement the ANNEX III Protocol Concerning Civil Affairs in Oslo II.
.

Most Respectfully,
R

Notes

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◈ Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6 •
◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •
◈ Golan Heights Law •
◈ Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979) •
◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •
◈ Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon •

At first, The Jewish National Council had every intention of accepting the apportionment recommended by A/RES/181 (II).

Resolution 181 didn't happen. Israel got nothing.

But the War of Independence, initiated by the Arab League, produced the differing result generated by the combat outcomes.

The Arab League states lost no land. Israel got nothing.

???

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mehdi Hasan | Islam Is A Peaceful Religion | Oxford Union​

 

[P F Tinmore]

In Defense of Solidarity: Palestine on Campus A virtual film screening & panel discussion​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Defend our Movements, Strengthen Our Communities:​

#DroptheADL​

 

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Wrestling with Zionism Part 1​

Wrestling with Zionism Part 2​

 

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Israeli Violence & Western Hypocrisy: Where Are the Palestinian Flag Emojis? w/ Ali Abunimah​

 

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How to fight university censorship with Rabab Abdulhadi & Tomomi Kinukawa | EI Podcast​