Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Sixties Fan]

"Today, authorities are battling helium balloons carrying long-burning materials like charcoal. The balloons are capable of flying several kilometers into Israel and sparking fires farther afield.

Firefighters are battling at least four brushfires today sparked by Gazan arsonists.Why is Israel allowing helium into Gaza to begin with? "



Because helium is needed for many medical applications, including many respiratory diseases. I'm guessing, but it is entirely possible that the helium in Gaza is coming from hospitals.

Now imagine what would happen if and when Israel bans helium imports into Gaza to protect itself from massive forest fires.

Yup, the "human rights" NGOs will castigate Israel for depriving Gazans of the medical benefits of helium. Reuters will have stories about Gazans with COPD who cannot breathe because of Israel's evil.

(full article online)

Gazans setting fires further into Israel with helium balloons.Guess what happens when Israel bans helium to Gaza. ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Gaza "medics" gather at the border fence


Gaza "medic" using bolt cutters


(full article online)

Pro-Israel Bay Bloggers: Are Medics the latest Human shields in Gaza?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Contradictions in Palestinian Accounts of Death of Razan Najjar

 

[toobfreak]

So killing, destroying, and ethnic cleansing is your solution. You must be Israeli.

You know, I've checked out these threads on occasion and have made a number of irrefutable observations:

1). Unless you live there for several years, you really don't know the whole story.
2). The Jews are by default always wrong and to blame because they are Jews.
3). The Jews have a real claim on the region going back 2000 years. (Book of Numbers).
4). The Jews agreed to a peaceful UN resolution in 1947 that would have given the Palestinians 10X the land they have today but walked out on that too.
5). If the Israelis are killing, destroying and burning, it is only because the other side is too. Israel's enemies for years have vowed an ethnic cleansing of Jews.
6). Israel is by far the stronger and isn't going anywhere. Ever.
7). The more the Palestinians resort to terrorism, threats and violence instead of peaceful settlement, the more their goals and aims slip from their hands.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Could any country please come up with a decent solution to the Arabs breaking into Israel to destroy anything and everything in front of them, via personally or with kites or balloons ? UN, EU, what would you do?
Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, what would you have done? Should the military be deployed in higher numbers and have them shoot at those who attempt to cross? What is your idea for defending your nation's borders? ]


In 3rd illegal crossing in as many days, IDF says suspects flee back to Palestinian territory after igniting storage containers inside Israel

(full article online)

Gazan infiltrators breach border, set fire to construction equipment

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ How to stop the kites and Balloons? This is not enough. It will do nothing to stop it. ]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday ordered Israel to withhold funds from the Palestinian Authority, in order to compensate farmers living on the Gaza border who have had their crops destroyed by massive fires sparked by flaming kites sent from the Palestinian enclave.

The prime minister instructed National Security Council head Meir Ben-Shabbat to work on a process that would withhold payments to the Palestinian Authority to offset compensation for the communities living on the Gaza border, who have seen tens of thousands of acres of fields and nature reserves destroyed in blazes over the past month and a half.

The Times of Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ Could any country please come up with a decent solution to the Arabs breaking into Israel to destroy anything and everything in front of them, via personally or with kites or balloons ? UN, EU, what would you do?
Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, what would you have done? Should the military be deployed in higher numbers and have them shoot at those who attempt to cross? What is your idea for defending your nation's borders? ]


In 3rd illegal crossing in as many days, IDF says suspects flee back to Palestinian territory after igniting storage containers inside Israel

(full article online)

Gazan infiltrators breach border, set fire to construction equipment

Oh, like Israel never destroyed anything in Gaza.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ How to stop the kites and Balloons? This is not enough. It will do nothing to stop it. ]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday ordered Israel to withhold funds from the Palestinian Authority, in order to compensate farmers living on the Gaza border who have had their crops destroyed by massive fires sparked by flaming kites sent from the Palestinian enclave.

The prime minister instructed National Security Council head Meir Ben-Shabbat to work on a process that would withhold payments to the Palestinian Authority to offset compensation for the communities living on the Gaza border, who have seen tens of thousands of acres of fields and nature reserves destroyed in blazes over the past month and a half.

The Times of Israel

Maybe that will make the PA cut back on its security coordination with Israel.

 

[Hollie]

[ Could any country please come up with a decent solution to the Arabs breaking into Israel to destroy anything and everything in front of them, via personally or with kites or balloons ? UN, EU, what would you do?
Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, what would you have done? Should the military be deployed in higher numbers and have them shoot at those who attempt to cross? What is your idea for defending your nation's borders? ]


In 3rd illegal crossing in as many days, IDF says suspects flee back to Palestinian territory after igniting storage containers inside Israel

(full article online)

Gazan infiltrators breach border, set fire to construction equipment

Oh, like Israel never destroyed anything in Gaza.

Oh, like Islamic terrorist attacks will pass without consequence.

 

[Slyhunter]

[ How to stop the kites and Balloons? This is not enough. It will do nothing to stop it. ]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday ordered Israel to withhold funds from the Palestinian Authority, in order to compensate farmers living on the Gaza border who have had their crops destroyed by massive fires sparked by flaming kites sent from the Palestinian enclave.

The prime minister instructed National Security Council head Meir Ben-Shabbat to work on a process that would withhold payments to the Palestinian Authority to offset compensation for the communities living on the Gaza border, who have seen tens of thousands of acres of fields and nature reserves destroyed in blazes over the past month and a half.

The Times of Israel

Maybe that will make the PA cut back on its security coordination with Israel.

Comment on the disguised medics cutting through the fence.
You are a Islamic lap dog.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ What should be done with the terrorists who are flying terror kites and balloons into Israel ? ]

In an alarming escalation, an incendiary terror kite from southern Gaza was launched over the border into Israeli territory late Sunday evening, but for the first time it was carrying an improvised explosive device (IED) — a homemade bomb — instead of the firebomb that has been setting farmland ablaze over the past two months.

The IED terror kite landed near the Kerem Shalom land crossing. The IED attached to the kite was defused by Israeli Defense Forces. No injuries were reported.

(full article online)

Gaza Terrorists Escalate Situation with IED-Bearing Kite

 

[Hollie]

Video Shows Palestinians Faking Injuries: BBC Falls for Terrible Acting in Gaza

 

[Shusha]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

 

[Slyhunter]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

liar.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

liar.

So, what do the Palestinians want Israel to give them?

 

[Slyhunter]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

liar.

So, what do the Palestinians want Israel to give them?

Their lives.
They want Israelis to cease to exist in the Middle East.
They want the Jews to give them Jewish ancestral lands because they had the gall to build their own religious structures on top of the Israelis.
Otherwise they would've settled for 98% of what they wanted years ago when Clinton offered it to them.

 

[Shusha]

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

We agree. They believe they are entitled to things they are not, in fact, entitled to. Hence the problem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza: The “simple” solution

To formulate an effective policy regarding Gaza, we need to understand the pathology of what we are attempting to address. The source of the conflict is the physical presence of a large, implacably hostile Arab population on Israel’s southern border. Simple logic therefore dictates that to remove the source of conflict, that hostile population must be removed.

Israel will not be able to indefinitely endure recurring bouts of fighting—whenever the enemy on the other side feels sufficiently bold to launch an attack or sufficiently desperate not to be able to refrain from one.

Accordingly, the solution for Gaza is not, and cannot be, its reconstruction, but its deconstruction and the generously funded humanitarian relocation and rehabilitation of the non-belligerent Gazans to third party countries, outside the “circle of violence”.

To achieve this, the IDF cannot content itself with periodic punitive sorties, followed by a limited interbellum, in which the enemy regroups, rearms and redeploys, ready for the next round. It must conquer the entire Gaza Strip, apprehend (otherwise dispose of) the current Gazan leadership, dismantle the current mechanism of governance and begin a vigorous program of incentivized emigration of the non-belligerent population.

This is the “simple” solution for Gaza—and the only durable one. Of course, to say that it is “simple” does not imply that it is “easy”. Indeed, the great difficulty it entails is rooted in its brutal simplicity of “Them or Us”.

Clearly, the fact that it is relatively easy to propose such a harsh policy prescription in the air-conditioned comfort of my study does not make it any less imperative or less inevitable.

After all, denying or delaying the inevitable does not make it any less inevitable, only more costly when it inevitably comes about.

(full article online)

INTO THE FRAY: Gaza - A “simple” solution

This is a very good article.

After all, it necessarily implies that if only Israel would somehow initiate/facilitate an improvement in Gaza’s living conditions, the violence would subside. This not only reinforces the false claims that Palestinian terrorism is driven by Israeli-induced economic privation, but also that Israel bears the responsibility for such terror, which is, therefore, no more than an understandable reaction to hardship and despair, externally imposed by an alien power.

The penury in Gaza is not the cause of Arab enmity towards the Jewish state. Quite the opposite! It is Arab enmity towards the Jewish state that is the cause of penury in Gaza.


An analogy can be made of an abusive relationship. The abuser claims entitlement to certain things and if those things are not provided responds with violence. The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements and therefore the cause of both the problem and the violence. Meanwhile, the victim demands a more equal division of entitlements and insists that violence is an unacceptable way to negotiate entitlements.

The "solution" presented here is nasty and uncomfortable, though. I wonder if it would really bring the results it claims to (or just spread the festering wound over a greater surface). And I wonder if could realistically be accomplished in the region.

And I wonder if this type of "solution", as nasty as it is on the surface -- remember incentivized, though --, might save a whole lot more nasty in the future.

The target is deemed to be the offender for not providing the entitlements

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

liar.

So, what do the Palestinians want Israel to give them?

Their lives.
They want Israelis to cease to exist in the Middle East.
They want the Jews to give them Jewish ancestral lands because they had the gall to build their own religious structures on top of the Israelis.
Otherwise they would've settled for 98% of what they wanted years ago when Clinton offered it to them.

Pffft.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are not asking Israel to give them anything.

We agree. They believe they are entitled to things they are not, in fact, entitled to. Hence the problem.

Like what?