Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Shusha]

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

The basis of international law is that people are not HOSTILE to one another. So, while we agree that Palestine is the odd man out, you are screwing up the reason for it. The reason for it is the hostility demonstrated then, and now, toward the Jewish people in the Jewish homeland. So let's try this again.

The people of Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon. No hostility.
The people of Syria became citizens of Syria. No hostility.
The people of Iraq became citizens of Iraq. No hostility.
The people of Jordan became citizens of Jordan. No hostility.
The people of Palestine became citizens of Palestine -- the Jewish National Homeland, now called Israel. Hostility breaks out. And by "hostility breaks out" I MEAN that the Arabs refuse to entertain the idea that the Jewish people have, at LEAST, the SAME rights as the Arabs in that territory, including basic human rights like the right to LIFE let alone more complicated rights like self-determination and sovereignty over ancient historical indigenous homelands.

The cause of the "odd man out" is Arab hostility towards Jews. Period.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

The basis of international law is that people are not HOSTILE to one another. So, while we agree that Palestine is the odd man out, you are screwing up the reason for it. The reason for it is the hostility demonstrated then, and now, toward the Jewish people in the Jewish homeland. So let's try this again.

The people of Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon. No hostility.
The people of Syria became citizens of Syria. No hostility.
The people of Iraq became citizens of Iraq. No hostility.
The people of Jordan became citizens of Jordan. No hostility.
The people of Palestine became citizens of Palestine -- the Jewish National Homeland, now called Israel. Hostility breaks out. And by "hostility breaks out" I MEAN that the Arabs refuse to entertain the idea that the Jewish people have, at LEAST, the SAME rights as the Arabs in that territory, including basic human rights like the right to LIFE let alone more complicated rights like self-determination and sovereignty over ancient historical indigenous homelands.

The cause of the "odd man out" is Arab hostility towards Jews. Period.

I MEAN that the Arabs refuse to entertain the idea that the Jewish people have, at LEAST, the SAME rights as the Arabs in that territory, including basic human rights like the right to LIFE let alone more complicated rights like self-determination and sovereignty over ancient historical indigenous homelands.

It was not the "same" rights that were the problem. It was the superiority and exclusion of the Zionist settlers that was the problem.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

It was not the "same" rights that were the problem. It was the superiority and exclusion of the Zionist settlers that was the problem.

It was, and is, Arab HOSTILITY that is the problem. Proof pudding: Arabs live in Israel. No Jews live in Arab territories. Its the Arab who are exclusionist -- not the Jewish people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

 

[Shusha]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

How is it that, when the above has been explained to you dozens of times, you’re still completely befuddled?

 

[Shusha]

They were created as successor states.

Okaaaaaay. We agree. When and through which process did they become successor States? Ceding territory does not automatically create a new State in the abandoned territory. There is a process. What is it?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Comprehensive Report Debunks 'Peaceful' Gaza Protests

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

Yes,,, I've seen this document (Report):

✦ NGO Monitor Submission to the United Nations Human Rights Council
Commission of Inquiry on the
2018 Protests in the “Occupied Palestinian Territory ✦
​

If your read it, you'll find some of the footnotes very interesting.

Comprehensive Report Debunks 'Peaceful' Gaza Protests

(COMMENT)

I do not think this report will make a dent in the bias wall built around the UN. The report will be discredited because the UNHCR CIO - Gaza Protests; the narrative of which cannot be accepted if it is found to negatively reflect on the credibility of the Commission... AND, because the CIO will dismiss the NGO Monitor Report as biased against the HAMAS; with nearly the entire Staff of the NGO Monitor being Jewish.

I also think that the NGO Monitor (Jerusalem), being in close proximity of some very nasty Arab Palestinians, have placed themselves in jeopardy.

(SUPPLEMENTAL)


The Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center published (06/08/2018 Online) on the
"The “Return March,” Aug 3, 2018."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

You post so much verbosity trying to pretzel this up. The basis of international law is that the people and their territory are not separated. Many other laws hinge on this basic principle.

The people who lived in Lebanon became citizens of Lebanon.

The people who lived in Syria became citizens if Syria.

The people who lived in Iraq became citizens of Iraq.

The people who lived in Jordan became citizens of Jordan.

The people who lived in Palestine became refugees.

Palestine is the odd man out.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

How is it that, when the above has been explained to you dozens of times, you’re still completely befuddled?

Because that’s how Tinmore is. No matter how many times you put the truth right in his face, he continues to argue .

 

[toastman]

Notice how Rocco backs up all his statements with valid links , while all Tinmore could muster up is : “I’m right and you’re wrong”.
Lol

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Bord
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are absolutely incorrect. You are 0 for 6. And, BTW, the law in this case is the Treaty and the operative Articles 16 and 30.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine (which was under the Palestine Order in Council).

This is a "citizenship/nationality" issue, not a territorial issue.

The people were, in keeping the policy NOT creating stateless people, came under the care and protection of the Civilian Governments appointed by the Mandate Authority. None of the self-governing countries you listed instantly became the self-governing. They all went through the exact same type of procedure and all became self-governing institutions in the 1940's. That is, all except the uncooperative Arab Palestinians.

◈ The Government of Lebanese became the Lebanese Republic on 22 November 1943 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Syria became the Syrian Arab Republic on 17 April 1946 when it was released League of Nations Mandate under French administration.

◈ The Government of Iraq, became the Republic of Iraq when on 3 October 1932 when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

◈ The Government of Transjordan became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on 25 May 1946
when it was released from the League of Nations Mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine became the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration.

✧ A territorial portion of the Government of Palestine known as the West Bank declined to participate in self-governing Institutions, declined to establish a an Arab State. - It was subsequently occupied and administered by Jordan after 1948), being annexed by the Jordanian Parliament in 1950.​

I hope that in challenging your supposition that I was not too verbose. The "Question of Palestine" is like trying to explain why the Sky is Blue to an inquisitive child. And the reason the Universe created Hostile Arab Palestinian, is to intentionally phrase the key issues so as to require ingenuity in ascertaining its answer (The Gordian Knot).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians became the citizens of the Government of Palestine

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

How is it that, when the above has been explained to you dozens of times, you’re still completely befuddled?

Because that’s how Tinmore is. No matter how many times you put the truth right in his face, he continues to argue .

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

 

[Hollie]

The Mandate was not a political entity. It was a temporarily assigned administration. It had no sovereignty or territory and could have no citizens.

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

How is it that, when the above has been explained to you dozens of times, you’re still completely befuddled?

Because that’s how Tinmore is. No matter how many times you put the truth right in his face, he continues to argue .

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

You don’t understand the terms used.

 

[USAF 2023]

You are not paying attention to Rocco's post. The residents came under the care and responsibility of the Governments of the various territories for the space of time between Turkey ceding the territories and the various State's independence and sovereignty. That space of time was to allow those territories to develop self-governing institutions. Once AGAIN, no one is claiming that the Mandate had sovereignty or that the British or France claimed territory for themselves. Ceding a territory by one State DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY create a new State in that territory.

They were created as successor states.

How is it that, when the above has been explained to you dozens of times, you’re still completely befuddled?

Because that’s how Tinmore is. No matter how many times you put the truth right in his face, he continues to argue .

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

You don’t understand the terms used.

He posts stating the U.N. had no right to create the Srare of Israel and there isn’t a “ law” that says there has to be two states. When asked about Abbas “ no Israelis allowed” or their policy that the Jews are Not entitled to even go to the Western Wall there is no response. Talk about being desperate.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm at a loss for words.

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

(COMMENT)

If it was as simple as you make it out so be,

When the decisions were made a century ago, all that was discussed was found in League of Nations (LoN) Covenant:

The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League. In case of any such aggression or in case of any threat or danger of such aggression the Council shall advise upon the means by which this obligation shall be fulfilled.

It should be noted that this is very similar - but not quite the same to the words in the UN Charter:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

It should be noted that the Allied Powers (having been appointed with the rights and title thru Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne) were obstructed by the Arab League (formerly the inhabitance of the Enemy Occupied Territory (EOT) in the post WWI era) in the establishment of self-governing institution; a necessary first step towards independence.

The inhabitance of the EOT were not a party to the Peace Treaty process. The inhabitance of the EOT were citizens of the Ottoman Empire (outside the Turkish Republic) when it released its hold on the sovereignty to the territory. The Treaty determined the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

Anything the Allied Powers did in the interest of those territories (Palestine being a relatively small piece in comparison to the other pieces that needed to be dealt with) was not an external power. They were the legitimate holders of the "rights and title" to the territory. And without regard to the Arab Palestinian inhabitance, the fate of the territory rested in the hands of the Allied Powers.

To this day, the Arab Palestinians have yet to make a claim and then explain the mechanism through which any portion of the "rights and title" passed from the Allied Powers to the Arab Palestinians. Unlike every single country adjacent to the territory in question, the Arab Palestinian cannot point to a date in which they became independent from League of Nations Mandate under British administration, or the International Trusteeship System (Chapter XII of the UN Charter).

Needless to say, it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm at a loss for words.

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

(COMMENT)

If it was as simple as you make it out so be,

When the decisions were made a century ago, all that was discussed was found in League of Nations (LoN) Covenant:

The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League. In case of any such aggression or in case of any threat or danger of such aggression the Council shall advise upon the means by which this obligation shall be fulfilled.

It should be noted that this is very similar - but not quite the same to the words in the UN Charter:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

It should be noted that the Allied Powers (having been appointed with the rights and title thru Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne) were obstructed by the Arab League (formerly the inhabitance of the Enemy Occupied Territory (EOT) in the post WWI era) in the establishment of self-governing institution; a necessary first step towards independence.

The inhabitance of the EOT were not a party to the Peace Treaty process. The inhabitance of the EOT were citizens of the Ottoman Empire (outside the Turkish Republic) when it released its hold on the sovereignty to the territory. The Treaty determined the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

Anything the Allied Powers did in the interest of those territories (Palestine being a relatively small piece in comparison to the other pieces that needed to be dealt with) was not an external power. They were the legitimate holders of the "rights and title" to the territory. And without regard to the Arab Palestinian inhabitance, the fate of the territory rested in the hands of the Allied Powers.

To this day, the Arab Palestinians have yet to make a claim and then explain the mechanism through which any portion of the "rights and title" passed from the Allied Powers to the Arab Palestinians. Unlike every single country adjacent to the territory in question, the Arab Palestinian cannot point to a date in which they became independent from League of Nations Mandate under British administration, or the International Trusteeship System (Chapter XII of the UN Charter).

Needless to say, it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

Most Respectfully,
R

I rest my case.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm at a loss for words.

When I post:

The people have the right to self determination without external interference.​

Rocco responds with a whole page of external interference.

(COMMENT)

If it was as simple as you make it out so be,

When the decisions were made a century ago, all that was discussed was found in League of Nations (LoN) Covenant:

The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League. In case of any such aggression or in case of any threat or danger of such aggression the Council shall advise upon the means by which this obligation shall be fulfilled.

It should be noted that this is very similar - but not quite the same to the words in the UN Charter:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.

It should be noted that the Allied Powers (having been appointed with the rights and title thru Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne) were obstructed by the Arab League (formerly the inhabitance of the Enemy Occupied Territory (EOT) in the post WWI era) in the establishment of self-governing institution; a necessary first step towards independence.

The inhabitance of the EOT were not a party to the Peace Treaty process. The inhabitance of the EOT were citizens of the Ottoman Empire (outside the Turkish Republic) when it released its hold on the sovereignty to the territory. The Treaty determined the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

Anything the Allied Powers did in the interest of those territories (Palestine being a relatively small piece in comparison to the other pieces that needed to be dealt with) was not an external power. They were the legitimate holders of the "rights and title" to the territory. And without regard to the Arab Palestinian inhabitance, the fate of the territory rested in the hands of the Allied Powers.

To this day, the Arab Palestinians have yet to make a claim and then explain the mechanism through which any portion of the "rights and title" passed from the Allied Powers to the Arab Palestinians. Unlike every single country adjacent to the territory in question, the Arab Palestinian cannot point to a date in which they became independent from League of Nations Mandate under British administration, or the International Trusteeship System (Chapter XII of the UN Charter).

Needless to say, it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

Most Respectfully,
R

I rest my case.

Good choice as you never presented a coherent, defendable case to begin with.