Park Rangers Turn 'Gestapo'...

[Quantum Windbag]

"Park spokesman Al Nash said that when the park is closed, it’s closed to all recreational use. Park staff have been pared down to those involved in the most basic life, health and safety issues.

"“We don’t have staff on duty to deal with any ordinary operational issues,” Nash said Wednesday."

So the tour operator and tinybrain believe park rangers should ignore the rules and disobey The Congress which has put most of the park staff off of work; and, in doing so allow a tour operator to put tourists at risk. What part of 'Grizzly Bear' and super heated water does tinybrain not understand?

Well, you know....some people are not very bright...and/or don't think safety and trespassing rules apply to them.

Then we have people that think rules actually keep people safe, they make people that jump out of airplanes for a living look like geniuses.

 

[Edgetho]

Reminds me of separated parents fighting in Court through a nasty divorce.

One parent tries to insulate their Child from the nastiness and ugliness of the Divorce while the other feeds him dog food, punishes him on a whim and generally abuses him.

I've actually seen that.

Then in Court, the abusive parent ALWAYS denies that he (or she) is doing anything to harm the child's psyche or even their physical condition.

That's similar to what's going on here.

Conservatives aren't crazy about shutting down the Government but they feel, rightly or wrongly (it's up to you), that they have to. That there's just no choice.

So out of spite, dimocrap scum are 'bringing the pain'.

To us. To their Fellow Americans.

Why?

What did we do?

What did those WWII Veterans do that they deserve to be turned away from a Memorial to them that they will never again be able to see? They'll be dead before they get another chance.

What did the people in the National Parks being thrown out on their ear do to deserve such treatment?

What did the Families of Veterans do that they deserve to have their Life Insurance ($100k) held up by the Feds?

What did dead Soldiers do that the government denies them burial rights and honors?

Answer........ Nothing.

But dimcraps are the scum of the Earth. They're lashing out at anything and everything, anybody and everybody.

Punishing people, harming people who had NOTHING to do with this bullshit.

And what do we have here, in this forum.

Scumbags backing the dimocraps who are doing this. Saying they deserve it. Trying to shift blame instead of condemning the harming of innocent people.

I'm telling you. I'm telling ALL of you.

dimocraps are truly the scum of the Earth.

ALL of them. Top to bottom. Rich and poor. Voter and elected.

Normal people don't beat their child because their spouse and them are having a fight.

dimocraps are some sick motherfuckers and there should be NO forgiveness for this outrage.

Never.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ah. the echo chamber to the rescue. No facts, only allegations, lies, innuendos and echoes. "Barrycades", when one reads this, they know it was posted by a partisan hack without the brains to present a reasoned argument.

Keeping the park open GENERATES REVENUE! The ONLY federal employees are the Rangers - of which, not a single one has been furloughed. Everything else is staffed by contracted concessions - WHO PAY for the privilege.

So WHAT is the purpose of Obama Barrycading the park?

Another chickenshit move by the chickenshit president.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Gestapo is a perfect term for what the Obama Thugs are doing.

Our government is holding law-abiding Americans hostage by putting up Barrycades and assigning staff to prevent them from doing perfectly legal activities on public and private lands.

It's horrifying to anyone with a sense of morality and an ability to think rationally.

LOL, I guess not everyone believes "Gestapo" is a word used by right wing partisan hacks as a pejorative. For those who want proof of what the Gestapo was and that the post by boedicca goes beyond hyperbole and is in fact a lie, review this:

Gestapo -

I like this part, does it remind you of anything today?

Gestapo agents were charged with rooting out foreign agents and resistance fighters, but they also expanded their role as an internal police force. Gestapo agents and informants concentrated on finding suspected political dissidents of the Third Reich. Spying on citizens became pervasive, and the Gestapo encouraged people to turn in "suspect persons" to local authorities. While victims of the Gestapo were subject to both civil and criminal prosecution, the secret police themselves operated above the law. On February 10, 1936, the Nazi government officially decreed that the organization was not subject to judicial review.

 

[Steven_R]

There's a massive difference between a ranger telling a group of tourists, "sorry folks. The parks shut down. I know it sucks, but politicians are going to politic. But while you're here, there are some neat local things to see like..." and "you will not recreate. Go to your hotel and stay there."

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Ah. the echo chamber to the rescue. No facts, only allegations, lies, innuendos and echoes. "Barrycades", when one reads this, they know it was posted by a partisan hack without the brains to present a reasoned argument.

This post made me think "It takes one to know one."

 

[gallantwarrior]

You didn't read it. They were threatened and intimidated. But hey, you go on Bootlicking. Whatever floats your boat i guess.

I read it very carefully. The lady that was qouted, Pat Vaillancourt, said she was "embarrassed, angry and heartbroken". She gives no indication that she or anyone else felt intimidated or threatened other than some foriegn tourist that were confused because they could not understand english and didn't understand what was going on. The threatened and intimidated stuff is something else you are just making up.
You start a thread comparing Park Rangers to the German Secret Police who murdered, tortured, raped, and robbed millions of people with permission by an evil and horrible government ruled by a dictator that took hundreds of thousands of Americans to die and suffer injury to defeat. You sir are a flaming troll with nothing to support you anti American agenda but lies.

Boot licker. Here ya go sparky. Paulitician isn't lying you little jerk.

The tour guide was interviewed by a different newspaper a few days ago and accused the Park Service of — wait for it — “Gestapo tactics.”

Hodgson said in a phone interview Monday that a ranger pulled up behind the bus and told him he would have to get everyone back on the bus — recreation in Yellowstone was not allowed.

“She told me you need to return to your hotel and stay there,” Hodgson said. “This is just Gestapo tactics. We paid a lot to get in. All these people wanted to do was take some pictures.”

Hodgson said the ranger told him he could be convicted of trespassing if he disobeyed.

“The national parks belong to the people,” he said. “This isn’t right.”

Report: Armed rangers forced senior-citizen tourists to stay inside their hotel during Yellowstone visit because of shutdown « Hot Air

AND they threatened the dude ranch with shutdown if they allowed the seniors to use the restrooms.

Supposedly, on their way out of the park, the tour guide wanted to pull over at a dude ranch inside the perimeter so that the seniors onboard could use the restrooms there — but couldn’t, because the park rangers told the dude ranch that its license would be revoked if they permitted it.

Typical of this administration that the most offensive and aggressive elements of government have been left operational. They shut down offices and agencies that perform beneficial services but have encouraged abusive tactics like those described in this OP. Despite the leftist/progressive polls so lovingly and often cited by the libs, a canvasing of people on the street reveals a much different picture. I only know one person who has flat out accepted the GOP as solely responsible for the govt slow down (he's an avowed Democrat, jes' like his mammy and pappy). Everyone else I have had an opportunity to discuss this with are either blaming both parties or see the Prez and his intractable acolytes as the source of the problem.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There's a massive difference between a ranger telling a group of tourists, "sorry folks. The parks shut down. I know it sucks, but politicians are going to politic. But while you're here, there are some neat local things to see like..." and "you will not recreate. Go to your hotel and stay there."

The rangers at some of the local parks in the Bay Area are doing exactly that, and hand out a pamphlet that shows all the sites in the area. They have even pointed out that, even though the parking area is closed, the beach is still open at one of the parks. I guess they didn't move enough goons to cover everything.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Ain't Big Brother cool? What would we do without him?


'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone


Pat Vaillancourt went on a trip last week that was intended to showcase some of America’s greatest treasures.

Instead, the Salisbury resident said she and others on her tour bus witnessed an ugly spectacle that made her embarrassed, angry and heartbroken for her country.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.

The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said...

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'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone » Local News » NewburyportNews.com, Newburyport, MA
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First of all the author of the OP is an hysterical right wing hack and likely has never been to Yellowstone.

Yellowstone is a wilderness area and home to predators including Grizzly Bear and Wolf. Our last trip to YNP occurred on a few weeks after a Grizzly killed a tourist (Aug. 2012) who got too close to get a good picture.

The park rules require visitors to stay at least 50 yards away from Bison, Elk and other animals and no closer than 100 yards to Bear and Wolf.

Anyone with a brain understands three things: National Parks can be dangerous, especially to the uninformed and stupid - both can and are eaten; the GOP planned for the Gov't shutdown and even campaigned on carrying out this foolishness; and, Speaker Boehner has the sole power to call for an up or down vote on the CR.

If the CR passes, people go back to work and small business won't continue to suffer, if it fails to pass the leverage passes from the D's to the R's.

Oh fuck off that you don't like the source Mr. High and Mighty.

It's in newspapers. And your defense of these tactics is pathetic.

Here's another source sparky. Hope this meets with your approval.

Hodgson said the group was scheduled to spend two nights at the Inn. When they got up on Tuesday morning, they headed out to see Yellowstone for the day, planning to return to the Inn for their second night’s stay later in the day. Hodgson said they headed north out of Old Faithful and pulled over to let passengers out to take photos of bison.

Hodgson said in a phone interview Tuesday that a ranger pulled up behind the bus and told him he would have to get everyone back on the bus — recreation in Yellowstone was not allowed.

“She told me you need to return to your hotel and stay there,” Hodgson said. “This is just Gestapo tactics. We paid a lot to get in. All these people wanted to do was take some pictures.”

Visitors and employees impacted by YNP closure | The Livingston Enterprise

According to the report, the group was not being warned about the danger of approaching wild animals too closely, or being informed of some rule about how far away they had to stay from the herd. According to the report, they were told they could not "recreate", i.e. access the Park and enjoy what they had paid good money for, not to mention, the Park is public domain, owned by the taxpayers.

 

[Edgetho]

The Executive Branch, which is controlled by dimocrap scum give orders to the Park Rangers. Nobody else.

Secretary of The Interior, Sally Jewell gave those orders. Nobody else.

Not one Republican is in a position to give ANY orders to the Department of The Interior, the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, the FBI or ANY OTHER Branch of Government.

Not one.

Any and all shutdowns were ordered by the Executive Branch. Nobody else.

Period

 

[gallantwarrior]

Gestapo is a perfect term for what the Obama Thugs are doing.

Our government is holding law-abiding Americans hostage by putting up Barrycades and assigning staff to prevent them from doing perfectly legal activities on public and private lands.

It's horrifying to anyone with a sense of morality and an ability to think rationally.

Amazing that they have money to pay their thugs but no money to keep facilities open, despite the House voting to provide back pay to all the furloughed workers. Are we expected to pay for federal employees' extra vacation time now?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Oh fuck off that you don't like the source Mr. High and Mighty.

It's in newspapers. And your defense of these tactics is pathetic.

Here's another source sparky. Hope this meets with your approval.

Hodgson said the group was scheduled to spend two nights at the Inn. When they got up on Tuesday morning, they headed out to see Yellowstone for the day, planning to return to the Inn for their second night’s stay later in the day. Hodgson said they headed north out of Old Faithful and pulled over to let passengers out to take photos of bison.

Hodgson said in a phone interview Tuesday that a ranger pulled up behind the bus and told him he would have to get everyone back on the bus — recreation in Yellowstone was not allowed.

“She told me you need to return to your hotel and stay there,” Hodgson said. “This is just Gestapo tactics. We paid a lot to get in. All these people wanted to do was take some pictures.”

Visitors and employees impacted by YNP closure | The Livingston Enterprise

You're repeating yourself and posting as true an event reported by one person and repeated in a rather obscure newspaper. Is the tour operator credible, maybe his/her loss of income (i.e. tips) pissed him/her off.

Using the term "Gestapo" is hyperbole as anyone who has read history or seen footage of the real Gestapo know, and is a pejorative used by contemporary right wingers as a talking point. I'm surprised the tour operator didn't call the Rangers "commies".

Park rangers have a duty to 1) protect park visitors; 2) protect the park; and 3) enforce the rules. Anyone who has ever been charged with enforcing rules to a diverse demographic knows this can be difficult, and rule number one is don't equivocate - be clear, firm and specific.

Local papers aren't good sources anymore? Have you informed the AP that repeating stories from obscure papers isn't news?

Journalists with integrity must have two reliable sources before going to press. Both publications cited one single source. One who thinks would naturally wonder if the tour operator has a conflict of interest, as I pointed out.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Gestapo is a perfect term for what the Obama Thugs are doing.

Our government is holding law-abiding Americans hostage by putting up Barrycades and assigning staff to prevent them from doing perfectly legal activities on public and private lands.

It's horrifying to anyone with a sense of morality and an ability to think rationally.

LOL, I guess not everyone believes "Gestapo" is a word used by right wing partisan hacks as a pejorative. For those who want proof of what the Gestapo was and that the post by boedicca goes beyond hyperbole and is in fact a lie, review this:

Gestapo -

Boedicca is right: Obama said the GOP was trying to blow-up the government. They have been called jihadist WTF. The service on the debt is not an issue, but asshole, and chief wants to spew it with his other bane to the low information voter ( liberals ) to win a political fight. What's good for the goose is ...

Obama should be impeached for his continuous prevarications; for putting party over country. Nixon was a saint compared to this fucking guy.

Park Rangers should kiss the asses of tourist; they should be as courteous, professional, and contrite about the shutdown.These people are spending their hard earned money to visit great America - WTF!

True. The fact that these tourists pay the federal employees' bills seems quite outside the employees' ability to grasp.

 

[Camp]

I read it very carefully. The lady that was qouted, Pat Vaillancourt, said she was "embarrassed, angry and heartbroken". She gives no indication that she or anyone else felt intimidated or threatened other than some foriegn tourist that were confused because they could not understand english and didn't understand what was going on. The threatened and intimidated stuff is something else you are just making up.
You start a thread comparing Park Rangers to the German Secret Police who murdered, tortured, raped, and robbed millions of people with permission by an evil and horrible government ruled by a dictator that took hundreds of thousands of Americans to die and suffer injury to defeat. You sir are a flaming troll with nothing to support you anti American agenda but lies.

Boot licker. Here ya go sparky. Paulitician isn't lying you little jerk.

The tour guide was interviewed by a different newspaper a few days ago and accused the Park Service of — wait for it — “Gestapo tactics.”

Hodgson said in a phone interview Monday that a ranger pulled up behind the bus and told him he would have to get everyone back on the bus — recreation in Yellowstone was not allowed.

“She told me you need to return to your hotel and stay there,” Hodgson said. “This is just Gestapo tactics. We paid a lot to get in. All these people wanted to do was take some pictures.”

Hodgson said the ranger told him he could be convicted of trespassing if he disobeyed.

“The national parks belong to the people,” he said. “This isn’t right.”

Report: Armed rangers forced senior-citizen tourists to stay inside their hotel during Yellowstone visit because of shutdown « Hot Air

AND they threatened the dude ranch with shutdown if they allowed the seniors to use the restrooms.

Supposedly, on their way out of the park, the tour guide wanted to pull over at a dude ranch inside the perimeter so that the seniors onboard could use the restrooms there — but couldn’t, because the park rangers told the dude ranch that its license would be revoked if they permitted it.

Typical of this administration that the most offensive and aggressive elements of government have been left operational. They shut down offices and agencies that perform beneficial services but have encouraged abusive tactics like those described in this OP. Despite the leftist/progressive polls so lovingly and often cited by the libs, a canvasing of people on the street reveals a much different picture. I only know one person who has flat out accepted the GOP as solely responsible for the govt slow down (he's an avowed Democrat, jes' like his mammy and pappy). Everyone else I have had an opportunity to discuss this with are either blaming both parties or see the Prez and his intractable acolytes as the source of the problem.

Your poll must be right. Has to be more accurate than even the FOX poll. All the polls are wrong except for your poll of asking people in the street as you claim you have done.
This thread started with a distorted headline qouting a Park tour bus driver who had learned he would not be able to give tours because of the government shut down. So he, and he alone discribed his experiance with the word Gestapo. The tourist that was interviewed didn't feel that way. She was angry, but never mentioned any abuse. One disgruntled bus driver.
The OP almost immediately followed his OP with lie's about the tourist having their camera's confiscated and the tourist being intimidated. Both lies. Page after page shows nothing more than you anti American liars bashing the country and cheering for each other like you need to bullshit each other into believing your bogus bullshit. Go ahead, nobody is taking you serious except yourselves and each other. Go take another "street poll" idiot. I don't like to call people names, but in the case of a person taking a poll by asking a few people on the street some questions like you claim to have done indicates you are for sure an idiot.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Park spokesman Al Nash said that when the park is closed, it’s closed to all recreational use. Park staff have been pared down to those involved in the most basic life, health and safety issues.

"“We don’t have staff on duty to deal with any ordinary operational issues,” Nash said Wednesday."

So the tour operator and tinybrain believe park rangers should ignore the rules and disobey The Congress which has put most of the park staff off of work; and, in doing so allow a tour operator to put tourists at risk. What part of 'Grizzly Bear' and super heated water does tinybrain not understand?

I think everyone should break the rules, it is good for you.

By the way, if the rules protected people from grizzlies we would never here about grizzly attacks. Since that isn't true, you just sound stupid trying to bring it up. Another point, when Yellowstone actually blows, which it will, all the rules in the world ain't going to help.

LOL, let's parse your words.

1. You think everyone should break the rules.

2. If the photographer had obeyed the rules he would have been 100 yards away.

3. A 100 yards is the minimum safe distance, further if one is downwind of a predator.

4. The photographer didn't obey the rules and it wasn't good for him, he died, what one must imagine was a horrible death.

 

[Edgetho]

You're repeating yourself and posting as true an event reported by one person and repeated in a rather obscure newspaper. Is the tour operator credible, maybe his/her loss of income (i.e. tips) pissed him/her off.

Using the term "Gestapo" is hyperbole as anyone who has read history or seen footage of the real Gestapo know, and is a pejorative used by contemporary right wingers as a talking point. I'm surprised the tour operator didn't call the Rangers "commies".

Park rangers have a duty to 1) protect park visitors; 2) protect the park; and 3) enforce the rules. Anyone who has ever been charged with enforcing rules to a diverse demographic knows this can be difficult, and rule number one is don't equivocate - be clear, firm and specific.

Local papers aren't good sources anymore? Have you informed the AP that repeating stories from obscure papers isn't news?

Journalists with integrity must have two reliable sources before going to press. Both publications cited one single source. One who thinks would naturally wonder if the tour operator has a conflict of interest, as I pointed out.

Yeah.... One source.

One group of a hundred Tourists.

Got a link that says any different?

Shut up and make me a sandwich bitch

 

[Wry Catcher]

Local papers aren't good sources anymore? Have you informed the AP that repeating stories from obscure papers isn't news?

Journalists with integrity must have two reliable sources before going to press. Both publications cited one single source. One who thinks would naturally wonder if the tour operator has a conflict of interest, as I pointed out.

Yeah.... One source.

One group of a hundred Tourists.

Got a link that says any different?

Shut up and make me a sandwich bitch

Thanks for sharing.

How many tourists were interviewed by the two publications? I missed all of them, please post the first 50 or so.

Oh, and once again, thanks for sharing.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You're repeating yourself and posting as true an event reported by one person and repeated in a rather obscure newspaper. Is the tour operator credible, maybe his/her loss of income (i.e. tips) pissed him/her off.

Using the term "Gestapo" is hyperbole as anyone who has read history or seen footage of the real Gestapo know, and is a pejorative used by contemporary right wingers as a talking point. I'm surprised the tour operator didn't call the Rangers "commies".

Park rangers have a duty to 1) protect park visitors; 2) protect the park; and 3) enforce the rules. Anyone who has ever been charged with enforcing rules to a diverse demographic knows this can be difficult, and rule number one is don't equivocate - be clear, firm and specific.

Local papers aren't good sources anymore? Have you informed the AP that repeating stories from obscure papers isn't news?

Journalists with integrity must have two reliable sources before going to press. Both publications cited one single source. One who thinks would naturally wonder if the tour operator has a conflict of interest, as I pointed out.

All Woodward had was one source, and he took down a president. I guess he really doesn't deserve the Pulitzer he won.

You can stop trying to prove how stupid you are now.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Park spokesman Al Nash said that when the park is closed, it’s closed to all recreational use. Park staff have been pared down to those involved in the most basic life, health and safety issues.

"“We don’t have staff on duty to deal with any ordinary operational issues,” Nash said Wednesday."

So the tour operator and tinybrain believe park rangers should ignore the rules and disobey The Congress which has put most of the park staff off of work; and, in doing so allow a tour operator to put tourists at risk. What part of 'Grizzly Bear' and super heated water does tinybrain not understand?

I think everyone should break the rules, it is good for you.

By the way, if the rules protected people from grizzlies we would never here about grizzly attacks. Since that isn't true, you just sound stupid trying to bring it up. Another point, when Yellowstone actually blows, which it will, all the rules in the world ain't going to help.

LOL, let's parse your words.

1. You think everyone should break the rules.

2. If the photographer had obeyed the rules he would have been 100 yards away.

3. A 100 yards is the minimum safe distance, further if one is downwind of a predator.

4. The photographer didn't obey the rules and it wasn't good for him, he died, what one must imagine was a horrible death.

Seriously?

Kissing with wolves: Incredible moment photographer is jumped by a pack of gigantic greys who then NUZZLE him | Mail Online

 

[Uncensored2008]

Thanks for sharing.

How many tourists were interviewed by the two publications? I missed all of them, please post the first 50 or so.

Oh, and once again, thanks for sharing.

Why is Obama putting up a Barrycade to Yellowstone park?

The park is a huge generator of revenue. The park is staffed by private workers employed by concessions who PAY A FEE to the federal government to operate inside the park. The only federal employees are Forestry personnel - of whom zero have been furloughed (they are law enforcement.)

So what is the purpose of the Barrycade? Just to "stick it" to the public?

Another chickenshit move by this chickenshit president.