Paying people off to avoid a scandal is perfectly legal

[kaz]

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

Another lie. They don't pay for it. Watch the British video I already provided you, dumb ass. So this is the false equivalency by the racist Lewdog

- The US takes land from some unspecified people for unspecified reasons. No idea what you're even talking about

- South Africa takes land from white farmers and gives it to blacks

Here are two facts:

1) Race baiting is racism, it's exploiting races for political points

2) That makes you a racist.

There is no doubt about that.

You haven't shown any racism in Trump or any racist thing he's said. That's because he's not a racist and hasn't said anything racist.

It's all just leftist Democrat hackery because you voted for Hillary and you're bitter and want to overturn the election

They do pay for it.

"He says the 139 white landowners are simply asking the government to pay too much for their land, so the state will ask a court to determine a fair price for the farms."

South Africa Denies Plan to Seize White Farmers' Land

See how you are letting yourself be brainwashed? Sure sounds like a big difference in talking points between, "They are just TAKING the land" and "They are forcing some of the farmers to sell their land."

Even the British were reporting that the white farmers were not getting paid for the land, this isn't just a US claim. It was widely reported. You're blindly believing a statement by the South African government. But let's say for the moment it's true.

Trump Tweeted that South Africa is confiscating land from whites.

That was widely reported across multiple national medias, he has no reason to not believe it's true.

However, you're saying the South African government issued a claim confirming they are confiscating land from whites, but that they are going to pay for it. Which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

And that ... according to you ... even if what you said is all true ... makes Trump a racist.

Yeah ...

And according to you, it's fine if government confiscates the land owned by families for centuries as long as they are paid for it. That's no thang

You're reading it wrong. An ANC Chairman said "they should just take it without compensation" but that isn't the ACTUAL South African law and policy. See what happens when you look at reports with blind partisanship? You can't use critical reading skills to comprehend the truth.

Swish. My point if you read the articles is that there is a lot of contradicting information out there. This was one of your first two go to points that Trump is a racist.

The first was just a flat out lie. You directly misquoted Trump so badly that even you dropped it.

And nowhere in the South Africa are you establishing that Trump said anything racist. You're hanging your hat on that while Trump said white farmers are having their land taken, you're just arguing about whether or not they are going to be paid for it when it's taken, which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

Just admit you're full of shit. Trump hasn't said anything racist, you just want him to be a racist because you wanted Hillary to win and your raging butt hurt over the election means you can't state anything without lying about it

 

[hunarcy]

Cohen's money didn't go to Trump or the campaign, it went to finance the NDA.

IT went to immediately benefit the campaign. But came out of Cohen's pocket. Not the campaign's.

Thus, a campaign contribution. Not a campaign expense. You've literally got opposites confused with each other. You probably want to stop polishing that turd and just accept the fact that you used the wrong term.

Trump, not the campaign reimbursed Cohen, so how could Cohen's outlay been a contribution to the campaign, when the purpose it was used for wasn't a campaign expenditure? It was basically just a short term personal loan to Trump.

Trump reimbursed him after the election.....under fraudulent circumstances, as its Trump. So of course it involved fraud, lies, faked time lines, and false invoices.

Now for your 'short term loan' theory. Even by that logic, the short term loan was for the purpose of aiding his presidential campaign. And loans are subject to campaign contribution limits too. Says who? Says the FEC.

If any person, including a relative or friend of the candidate, gives or loans the candidate money “for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office,” the funds are not considered personal funds of the candidate even if they are given to the candidate directly. Instead, the gift or loan is considered a contribution from the donor to the campaign, subject to the per-election limit and reportable by the campaign. This is true even if the candidate uses the funds for personal living expenses while campaigning.

Personal loans from the candidate - FEC.gov

And of course, because its Trump none of this sizable transaction was reported to the FEC. It was all done through shell companies, using fake invoices and fraudulent time lines. With Trump trying backdate the reason for the payment from 2016, when the illegal campaign contribution was made to 2017.

And there's a paper trail for all of it. With Trump's own CFO now having an immunity deal. So we're likely to learn even more of the fraudulent and corrupt criminal practices within the Trump organization.

The NDA was executed in 2016, how could it have been considered a contribution in 2017?

.

Trump paid Cohen back starting in January 2017.

You're not making sense, the money was spent in 2016.

.

Yes, Cohen spent the money in 2016 in the heat of the campaign to influence the outcome of the campaign.

Glad we got that worked out.

It seems that the money was paid when the woman threatened to make it public. Had nothing to do with the campaign, had everything to do with protecting his marriage.

 

[bripat9643]

Confirmation bias.

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Trump: “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

Lewdog: Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

It is true, WTF is wrong with you? Some of that land has been in farmer's families for centuries. It's just your typical leftist bull shit that racism is only white on black, blacks can't by your leftist definition be racists



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What Trump said: “You also had some very fine people on both sides."

This is how you lie, "They are good people on both sides... both sides."

You changed that he said some to all and you said he repeated it, which he didn't.

So just to be clear, you think there are not SOME good people who are both for and against removing southern statues of former slave owners? One side has in your view literally zero good people?

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So other than your just flat outright lie/misquote of Trump and a factually true statement that you lied wasn't factually true, you have anything or you going to hang your hat on that, racist? Again, race baiting is in itself racist

It's a true as making a political statement that Blacks are being systematically exterminated in America. Yes, there are white people who are killing Blacks in the U.S. but it isn't anywhere near the levels it used to be.

The killing of white farmers in South Africa is actually DOWN from in the past, and South Africa isn't taking away land at some crazy rate in South Africa. It is no different than here in the U.S. where Trump wants to build his wall, which will include the federal government taking the land of U.S. citizens under imminent domain so they can build the wall.

That's are why these are called half-truths.

Trump Echoes Neo-Nazi Propaganda About South Africa (That He Heard on Fox News)

So please explain to me how I paraphrased what Trump said was different from the EXACT quote.

I said they are, when it is "there are." Yes, that is the quote and even with that quote, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth so that he can try to say he spoke out against the violence, YET not offend the white nationalist base, one of which ran over protesters and killed a woman.

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Bullshit. Gangs of thugs are squatting on private farms, stealing all the cattle and other animals, and often killing the owners. The government does nothing about it. thousands of farms have been expropriated this way.

Are you part parrot? Seriously... why do you continue to spout the SAME lies over and over?

The articles actually state that not as many farms have been bought since they created the program in the 90's.

No one said the government was buying white farms, moron. I said bands of thugs are simply stealing them while the government looks the other way. They often murder the owners in the process. This is the Utopia that brain damages imbeciles like you have created.

Land Reform In Ramaphosa’s South Africa

Here is how taking land legally currently works, in South Africa, a place the US State Department has only just lauded as “a strong democracy with resilient institutions…,” a country merely “grappling with the difficult issue of land reform.” “Land reform,” of course, is a euphemism for land distribution in the Robert Mugabe mold.

The process currently in place typically begins with a “tribe” or group of individuals who band together to claim vast tracts of private property.

If these loosely and conveniently conjoined groups know anything, it’s this: South Africa’s adapted, indigenized law allows coveted land, owned and occupied by another, to be obtained with relative ease.

See, the country no longer enjoys the impressive Western system of Roman-Dutch law it once enjoyed. Lax law and poorly protected property rights signal a free-for-all on the lives of white owners and their livestock

No sooner does this newly constituted “tribe” (or band of bandits, really) launch a claim with the South African Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, than related squatters—sometimes in the thousands—move to colonize the land.

They defile its grounds and groundwater by using these as one vast toilet, and terrorize, sometimes kill, its occupants and their animals in the hope of “nudging” them off the land.

Dr. Philip du Toit, a farmer (with a doctorate in labor law) and author of “The Great South African Land Scandal,” speaks of recurrent attacks on farm animals that “hark back to the Mau Mau terror campaign which drove whites off Kenyan farms.”

Farmer’s Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.

“Encroachment is the right word,” a farmer told du Toit. “They put their cattle in, then they cut the fences, then they start stealing your crops, forcing you to leave your land. And then they say: ‘Oh well, there’s vacant land, let’s move on to it.’

It’s a very subtle way of stealing land.” “When there is a farm claim I say ‘Look out!’ because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,” confirmed the regional director of the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU).”

Agri SA, an organization representing small and large-scale commercial farmers, reports the annual theft of hundreds of thousands of priceless livestock.

The ANC’s old Soviet-inspired Freedom Charter promised this: “All shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose.” And so they do today.

Because of legal claims they are powerless to fight, squatters whom they cannot fend off, and cattle, crops and families which they can no longer protect, farmers have already been pushed to abandon hundreds of thousands of hectares of prime commercial farmland.

“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”​

 

[kaz]

Another lie. They don't pay for it. Watch the British video I already provided you, dumb ass. So this is the false equivalency by the racist Lewdog

- The US takes land from some unspecified people for unspecified reasons. No idea what you're even talking about

- South Africa takes land from white farmers and gives it to blacks

Here are two facts:

1) Race baiting is racism, it's exploiting races for political points

2) That makes you a racist.

There is no doubt about that.

You haven't shown any racism in Trump or any racist thing he's said. That's because he's not a racist and hasn't said anything racist.

It's all just leftist Democrat hackery because you voted for Hillary and you're bitter and want to overturn the election

They do pay for it.

"He says the 139 white landowners are simply asking the government to pay too much for their land, so the state will ask a court to determine a fair price for the farms."

South Africa Denies Plan to Seize White Farmers' Land

See how you are letting yourself be brainwashed? Sure sounds like a big difference in talking points between, "They are just TAKING the land" and "They are forcing some of the farmers to sell their land."

Even the British were reporting that the white farmers were not getting paid for the land, this isn't just a US claim. It was widely reported. You're blindly believing a statement by the South African government. But let's say for the moment it's true.

Trump Tweeted that South Africa is confiscating land from whites.

That was widely reported across multiple national medias, he has no reason to not believe it's true.

However, you're saying the South African government issued a claim confirming they are confiscating land from whites, but that they are going to pay for it. Which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

And that ... according to you ... even if what you said is all true ... makes Trump a racist.

Yeah ...

And according to you, it's fine if government confiscates the land owned by families for centuries as long as they are paid for it. That's no thang

You're reading it wrong. An ANC Chairman said "they should just take it without compensation" but that isn't the ACTUALLY South African law and policy. See what happens when you look at reports with blind partisanship? You can't use critical reading skills to comprehend the truth.

They are getting ready to change the law so they can just take it, moron.

Because one guy recommended that doesn't mean they are going to do it. Even the Black farmers there don't want to do that. It causes more problems. Do you know how they punished the members of South African government after Apartheid?

You're lying again. Their land IS going to be taken. The only debate is over how much if anything they will be paid for it.

Grow a pair and have an honest discussion. And again, you have shown no lie much less racism from Trump.

Trump: White farmers are having their land taken.

Lewdog: OMG, they are going to be paid something for the land. Trump is such a racist.

You are full of shit. This is one of your two go to Trump is a racist examples. The other you misquoted Trump so badly even you've given it up

 

[Flopper]

Sure thing pal, Pelosi, Schumer, and Waters are such upstanding people.

LOLOL

Buh... buh... buh....... butwhatabout.....!!!

In other words, you're proud to be a hypocrite.

Oh? Which of those Democrats cheated on their spouse? When you can't name one, let this serve as a reminder for why you're a fucking moron.

I didn't say the people on the list cheated on their spouses, but there's a long list of Dims who have.

So what, fucking moron?

I was talking about Trump being a piece of shit scumbag who cheated on his wife who had recently birthed his child. A brain-dead con asked, but what about Pelosi, Schumer and Waters.

I noted how their only defense of trump was another, butwhataboutism, to which you idiotically thought that made me a hypocrite.

Well, fucking moron, for me to be a hypocrite here, at least one of those Democrats would need to be a piece of shit scumbag cheater like trump.

Savvy?

When it comes to outrageous immoral behavior, Trump is in a league of his own. Over the last 30 years Trump used the media shamelessly to create a public image and keep that image in the headlines, often making fools of reporters and editors. Now, he is president and the media which was his most important tool in promoting himself has become his deadliest enemy. For the media, it's payback time. The free ride is over and it's time to pay the piper.

 

[bripat9643]

LOLOL

Buh... buh... buh....... butwhatabout.....!!!

In other words, you're proud to be a hypocrite.

Oh? Which of those Democrats cheated on their spouse? When you can't name one, let this serve as a reminder for why you're a fucking moron.

I didn't say the people on the list cheated on their spouses, but there's a long list of Dims who have.

So what, fucking moron?

I was talking about Trump being a piece of shit scumbag who cheated on his wife who had recently birthed his child. A brain-dead con asked, but what about Pelosi, Schumer and Waters.

I noted how their only defense of trump was another, butwhataboutism, to which you idiotically thought that made me a hypocrite.

Well, fucking moron, for me to be a hypocrite here, at least one of those Democrats would need to be a piece of shit scumbag cheater like trump.

Savvy?

When it comes to outrageous immoral behavior, Trump is in a league of his own. Over the last 30 years Trump used the media shamelessly to create a public image and keep that image in the headlines, often making fools of reporters and editors. Now, he is president and the media which was his most important tool in promoting himself has become his deadliest enemy. For the media, it's payback time. The free ride is over and it's time to pay the piper.

So what is the "immoral behavior" you're accusing Trump of?

 

[hunarcy]

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

That's true, but that only shows how corrupt our government is. However, the government does pay a large fraction of the market price. SA is paying nothing. You seem to endorse the idea that government should be free to confiscate private property. How beautifully liberal!

I assume you know the def of liberal?
For the individual and small gov ?
Liber, Latin, free?
I digress, like the South Africans did in the beginning?
And USA/Mexico?
Ironic that we are squatting on their lands and want to build a wall

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

That's true, but that only shows how corrupt our government is. However, the government does pay a large fraction of the market price. SA is paying nothing. You seem to endorse the idea that government should be free to confiscate private property. How beautifully liberal!

I assume you know the def of liberal?
For the individual and small gov ?
Liber, Latin, free?
I digress, like the South Africans did in the beginning?
And USA/Mexico?
Ironic that we are squatting on their lands and want to build a wall

Squatting on land that the United States paid $15 million dollars for?

 

[kaz]

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

And they are, but that wasn't how Tucker Carlson of Trump played it. They used it as a white nationalist talking point to exploit.

There are difference between the truth, and using the "truth" in an exploitative manner.

No, I did not "just flat out lie and misquote him." I paraphrased what he said off the top of my head because I didn't feel like going and watching the video at the time. And what I said has very little difference from what he said. You can't even explain the difference, yet continue to harp on it.

See there is a big difference from what HE says that I point out is racist, and what you are accusing me of. I can provide proof to back up what I say... you on the other hand just use the same bullshit cowardly defense of calling everyone that points it out a race-baiting racist. I've never done a racist thing in my life and have actually lost good friends due to the fact they wouldn't quit using the "n" word quite often. And pointing out when Trump does things to appease his white nationalist base isn't "race-baiting." It's called the truth, and as long as you defend him for it and accuse those that point it out as race-baiting, you're enabling it.

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

Again, let's go back to the point. You said Trump is a racist because he said Whites are having their land taken. You're saying he's a racist because sure, they are having their land taken, but they are getting blow market value for it because governments do that.

You have no pride or integrity. And again, this is one of your two Trump is a racist examples. The other you caved on completely after you butchered Trump's quote

 

[kaz]

My silence? I have said REPEATEDLY I thought Clinton should have been impeached back then for lying under oath.

Jesus Christ it is like some kind of incurable widespread sickness on this forum for Trump supporters to just make shit up about what people say or support.

Ah, so you're another Democrat who used to be a Republican? You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one of those

I stated from day one I am not a Democrat. I'm a former Republican that is an Independent.

Also, another unethical thing of you to think that ALL people within a political group are as blind a tribal partisan political hack as you. Quit projecting.

If you want to keep a dossier of me, don't do it in your fantasy world head, create a word document. Feel free to create a Q&A thread for more and I'd be more than willing to give you an interview.

You and half the other Democrats on the site aren't Democrats You aren't a Democrat, but you just have to admit over and over that the Democrats are right on every issue. But you aren't one. Sure. You, Jake Starkey, Sieta, Moonglow, g5000, and on and on. The list is endless of you non-Democrats who always argue on the side of the Democrats.

Thing is, the Democrat party has now put up the bat signal because of Trump. Come home and defend the party! And you do

Yeah that's part of what an Independent is dummy. It means you don't completely agree with everything one party does.

Good grief. I've said I'm a slightly right leaning Independent.... I say that because I'm closer to being an Independent than a moderate Republican.

Trump's behavior is drawing criticism from people that rarely if ever vote and know nothing about the two parties, the issues or which party supports which issue. That actually might be one good thing Trump may accomplish as president, involve people in the political process that previously had no interest at all.

It's funny how Trump is consistently against making decisions based on race and you're consistently for it, then you call him a racist ...

 

[bripat9643]

And they are, but that wasn't how Tucker Carlson of Trump played it. They used it as a white nationalist talking point to exploit.

There are difference between the truth, and using the "truth" in an exploitative manner.

No, I did not "just flat out lie and misquote him." I paraphrased what he said off the top of my head because I didn't feel like going and watching the video at the time. And what I said has very little difference from what he said. You can't even explain the difference, yet continue to harp on it.

See there is a big difference from what HE says that I point out is racist, and what you are accusing me of. I can provide proof to back up what I say... you on the other hand just use the same bullshit cowardly defense of calling everyone that points it out a race-baiting racist. I've never done a racist thing in my life and have actually lost good friends due to the fact they wouldn't quit using the "n" word quite often. And pointing out when Trump does things to appease his white nationalist base isn't "race-baiting." It's called the truth, and as long as you defend him for it and accuse those that point it out as race-baiting, you're enabling it.

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

Again, let's go back to the point. You said Trump is a racist because he said Whites are having their land taken. You're saying he's a racist because sure, they are having their land taken, but they are getting blow market value for it because governments do that.

You have no pride or integrity. And again, this is one of your two Trump is a racist examples. The other you caved on completely after you butchered Trump's quote

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

 

[Lewdog]

Sure thing pal, Pelosi, Schumer, and Waters are such upstanding people.

LOLOL

Buh... buh... buh....... butwhatabout.....!!!

In other words, you're proud to be a hypocrite.

Oh? Which of those Democrats cheated on their spouse? When you can't name one, let this serve as a reminder for why you're a fucking moron.

People of both parties are humans... and that means people of both parties cheat on their spouses. Kennedy cheated on his wife, but he most certainly wasn't the first, and we know he wasn't the last.

At that time, marital indiscretions were considered a personal issue and most politicians did not want to cross that line. There were people in the White House who knew about JFK's extramarital relations but most people in Washington considered it just a rumor and the public was unaware.

Of course it's a different world today where there are no boundaries in regard to the personal life of politicians. Everything is fair game.

Trump has even used his promiscuous behavior and bedroom adventures as a stepping stone to notoriety. Whatever was needed to keep his name on the front page, he considered good press. Consider the following.

Former New York Post journalist speaks out about the famous story—and, yes, the backstory is just as ridiculous as you’d imagine.

The Story Behind Trump’s Infamous ‘Best Sex I Ever Had’ Headline

Oh yeah... I mean Trump would call newspapers and act like a PR agent for himself under an assumed identity to spread rumors and get his name in the paper. It's crazy he wants his cake and eat it too. He would use the media to get attention, but suddenly when the media reports things he doesn't like they are the enemy. He is getting what he deserves.

 

[Lewdog]

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

Another lie. They don't pay for it. Watch the British video I already provided you, dumb ass. So this is the false equivalency by the racist Lewdog

- The US takes land from some unspecified people for unspecified reasons. No idea what you're even talking about

- South Africa takes land from white farmers and gives it to blacks

Here are two facts:

1) Race baiting is racism, it's exploiting races for political points

2) That makes you a racist.

There is no doubt about that.

You haven't shown any racism in Trump or any racist thing he's said. That's because he's not a racist and hasn't said anything racist.

It's all just leftist Democrat hackery because you voted for Hillary and you're bitter and want to overturn the election

They do pay for it.

"He says the 139 white landowners are simply asking the government to pay too much for their land, so the state will ask a court to determine a fair price for the farms."

South Africa Denies Plan to Seize White Farmers' Land

See how you are letting yourself be brainwashed? Sure sounds like a big difference in talking points between, "They are just TAKING the land" and "They are forcing some of the farmers to sell their land."

Even the British were reporting that the white farmers were not getting paid for the land, this isn't just a US claim. It was widely reported. You're blindly believing a statement by the South African government. But let's say for the moment it's true.

Trump Tweeted that South Africa is confiscating land from whites.

That was widely reported across multiple national medias, he has no reason to not believe it's true.

However, you're saying the South African government issued a claim confirming they are confiscating land from whites, but that they are going to pay for it. Which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

And that ... according to you ... even if what you said is all true ... makes Trump a racist.

Yeah ...

And according to you, it's fine if government confiscates the land owned by families for centuries as long as they are paid for it. That's no thang

You're reading it wrong. An ANC Chairman said "they should just take it without compensation" but that isn't the ACTUAL South African law and policy. See what happens when you look at reports with blind partisanship? You can't use critical reading skills to comprehend the truth.

Swish. My point if you read the articles is that there is a lot of contradicting information out there. This was one of your first two go to points that Trump is a racist.

The first was just a flat out lie. You directly misquoted Trump so badly that even you dropped it.

And nowhere in the South Africa are you establishing that Trump said anything racist. You're hanging your hat on that while Trump said white farmers are having their land taken, you're just arguing about whether or not they are going to be paid for it when it's taken, which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

Just admit you're full of shit. Trump hasn't said anything racist, you just want him to be a racist because you wanted Hillary to win and your raging butt hurt over the election means you can't state anything without lying about it

I didn't "drop it." I corrected it, and as I said it doesn't make a difference it meets what I said. He said there were good people among the alt-right white nationalist because he wants their fucking support. And by you sitting here arguing to defend it, you are an enabler.

 

[kaz]

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

That's true, but that only shows how corrupt our government is. However, the government does pay a large fraction of the market price. SA is paying nothing. You seem to endorse the idea that government should be free to confiscate private property. How beautifully liberal!

I assume you know the def of liberal?
For the individual and small gov ?
Liber, Latin, free?
I digress, like the South Africans did in the beginning?
And USA/Mexico?
Ironic that we are squatting on their lands and want to build a wall

Yes, I'm a liberal. Democrats are authoritarian leftists, we have nothing in common

 

[Lewdog]

It's a true as making a political statement that Blacks are being systematically exterminated in America. Yes, there are white people who are killing Blacks in the U.S. but it isn't anywhere near the levels it used to be.

The killing of white farmers in South Africa is actually DOWN from in the past, and South Africa isn't taking away land at some crazy rate in South Africa. It is no different than here in the U.S. where Trump wants to build his wall, which will include the federal government taking the land of U.S. citizens under imminent domain so they can build the wall.

That's are why these are called half-truths.

Trump Echoes Neo-Nazi Propaganda About South Africa (That He Heard on Fox News)

So please explain to me how I paraphrased what Trump said was different from the EXACT quote.

I said they are, when it is "there are." Yes, that is the quote and even with that quote, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth so that he can try to say he spoke out against the violence, YET not offend the white nationalist base, one of which ran over protesters and killed a woman.

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Bullshit. Gangs of thugs are squatting on private farms, stealing all the cattle and other animals, and often killing the owners. The government does nothing about it. thousands of farms have been expropriated this way.

Are you part parrot? Seriously... why do you continue to spout the SAME lies over and over?

The articles actually state that not as many farms have been bought since they created the program in the 90's.

No one said the government was buying white farms, moron. I said bands of thugs are simply stealing them while the government looks the other way. They often murder the owners in the process. This is the Utopia that brain damages imbeciles like you have created.

Land Reform In Ramaphosa’s South Africa

Here is how taking land legally currently works, in South Africa, a place the US State Department has only just lauded as “a strong democracy with resilient institutions…,” a country merely “grappling with the difficult issue of land reform.” “Land reform,” of course, is a euphemism for land distribution in the Robert Mugabe mold.

The process currently in place typically begins with a “tribe” or group of individuals who band together to claim vast tracts of private property.

If these loosely and conveniently conjoined groups know anything, it’s this: South Africa’s adapted, indigenized law allows coveted land, owned and occupied by another, to be obtained with relative ease.

See, the country no longer enjoys the impressive Western system of Roman-Dutch law it once enjoyed. Lax law and poorly protected property rights signal a free-for-all on the lives of white owners and their livestock

No sooner does this newly constituted “tribe” (or band of bandits, really) launch a claim with the South African Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, than related squatters—sometimes in the thousands—move to colonize the land.

They defile its grounds and groundwater by using these as one vast toilet, and terrorize, sometimes kill, its occupants and their animals in the hope of “nudging” them off the land.

Dr. Philip du Toit, a farmer (with a doctorate in labor law) and author of “The Great South African Land Scandal,” speaks of recurrent attacks on farm animals that “hark back to the Mau Mau terror campaign which drove whites off Kenyan farms.”

Farmer’s Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.

“Encroachment is the right word,” a farmer told du Toit. “They put their cattle in, then they cut the fences, then they start stealing your crops, forcing you to leave your land. And then they say: ‘Oh well, there’s vacant land, let’s move on to it.’

It’s a very subtle way of stealing land.” “When there is a farm claim I say ‘Look out!’ because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,” confirmed the regional director of the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU).”

Agri SA, an organization representing small and large-scale commercial farmers, reports the annual theft of hundreds of thousands of priceless livestock.

The ANC’s old Soviet-inspired Freedom Charter promised this: “All shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose.” And so they do today.

Because of legal claims they are powerless to fight, squatters whom they cannot fend off, and cattle, crops and families which they can no longer protect, farmers have already been pushed to abandon hundreds of thousands of hectares of prime commercial farmland.

“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”​

Man is there a subject you EVER get right? They are buying farms and then redistributing it to Blacks. Do you ever feel any guilt from lying all the time? Do you have even a bit of shame?

 

[hunarcy]

Another lie. They don't pay for it. Watch the British video I already provided you, dumb ass. So this is the false equivalency by the racist Lewdog

- The US takes land from some unspecified people for unspecified reasons. No idea what you're even talking about

- South Africa takes land from white farmers and gives it to blacks

Here are two facts:

1) Race baiting is racism, it's exploiting races for political points

2) That makes you a racist.

There is no doubt about that.

You haven't shown any racism in Trump or any racist thing he's said. That's because he's not a racist and hasn't said anything racist.

It's all just leftist Democrat hackery because you voted for Hillary and you're bitter and want to overturn the election

They do pay for it.

"He says the 139 white landowners are simply asking the government to pay too much for their land, so the state will ask a court to determine a fair price for the farms."

South Africa Denies Plan to Seize White Farmers' Land

See how you are letting yourself be brainwashed? Sure sounds like a big difference in talking points between, "They are just TAKING the land" and "They are forcing some of the farmers to sell their land."

Even the British were reporting that the white farmers were not getting paid for the land, this isn't just a US claim. It was widely reported. You're blindly believing a statement by the South African government. But let's say for the moment it's true.

Trump Tweeted that South Africa is confiscating land from whites.

That was widely reported across multiple national medias, he has no reason to not believe it's true.

However, you're saying the South African government issued a claim confirming they are confiscating land from whites, but that they are going to pay for it. Which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

And that ... according to you ... even if what you said is all true ... makes Trump a racist.

Yeah ...

And according to you, it's fine if government confiscates the land owned by families for centuries as long as they are paid for it. That's no thang

You're reading it wrong. An ANC Chairman said "they should just take it without compensation" but that isn't the ACTUAL South African law and policy. See what happens when you look at reports with blind partisanship? You can't use critical reading skills to comprehend the truth.

Swish. My point if you read the articles is that there is a lot of contradicting information out there. This was one of your first two go to points that Trump is a racist.

The first was just a flat out lie. You directly misquoted Trump so badly that even you dropped it.

And nowhere in the South Africa are you establishing that Trump said anything racist. You're hanging your hat on that while Trump said white farmers are having their land taken, you're just arguing about whether or not they are going to be paid for it when it's taken, which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

Just admit you're full of shit. Trump hasn't said anything racist, you just want him to be a racist because you wanted Hillary to win and your raging butt hurt over the election means you can't state anything without lying about it

I didn't "drop it." I corrected it, and as I said it doesn't make a difference it meets what I said. He said there were good people among the alt-right white nationalist because he wants their fucking support. And by you sitting here arguing to defend it, you are an enabler.

*sigh* No, he said there were good people at Charlottesville who were protesting taking down the statute. You, like everyone on the Left, can't tell the truth about what happened and/or what was said.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump would be so proud of Kaz and bripat... they are good little drones who ignore facts even when it is shown to them in black and white.

I think it is about time to put them both on ignore. They've now fallen to the level of forum clutter. I might as well be talking to a pigeon.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It seems that the money was paid when the woman threatened to make it public. Had nothing to do with the campaign, had everything to do with protecting his marriage.

Sorry, but that was damn funny! Melania knew what she was marrying when she married him. He has never been a faithful man.

 

[Lewdog]

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

Again, let's go back to the point. You said Trump is a racist because he said Whites are having their land taken. You're saying he's a racist because sure, they are having their land taken, but they are getting blow market value for it because governments do that.

You have no pride or integrity. And again, this is one of your two Trump is a racist examples. The other you caved on completely after you butchered Trump's quote

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So you're not able to support your stupid crap on Trump without lying on both points, so you switch to "Tucker Carlson."

We are talking about Trump, not Tucker Carlson. I don't give a shit about Tucker Carlson. You're just moving the goal posts again.

Back to the subject.

Trump said there are "some" good people both on the side of people who want to remove confederate statues and those who don't.

You lied and said he said everyone on both sides is good. And you only did that because you wanted to have any racists caught in your net, so you included everyone. When called on it, you dropped it.

Trump said the government of South Africa is taking the land of white farmers, which they are. First you lied and said they aren't doing that. Then you started talking about the murder of white farmers, which Trump didn't address.

Keep in mind these were your choice. The first, go to examples of Trump being a racist that you chose.

You sir, are guilty of race baiting, which makes you a racist for exploiting races for cheap political points

He got the idea from watching Tucker Carlson. Good grief. You are either extremely naive, or do blindly partisan if Trump told you to jump you'd ask "How long, how far, how high, and who it will hurt by doing it." Of course it could also be that you are just stupid, or a combination of any of the three.

The United States takes land from U.S. citizens too. Why are you ignoring that? Also when South Africa does take land, they don't just take it, they pay for it.

The government has to compensate people when it takes their land. SA isn't doing that, moron.

Yes they are. The U.S. government doesn't pay actual market value for land here either, which is what happens when the government is the buyer and sets the price. Ask anyone that has had their land seized due to imminent domain.

Again, let's go back to the point. You said Trump is a racist because he said Whites are having their land taken. You're saying he's a racist because sure, they are having their land taken, but they are getting blow market value for it because governments do that.

You have no pride or integrity. And again, this is one of your two Trump is a racist examples. The other you caved on completely after you butchered Trump's quote

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

Trump has no problem with the government expropriating private property, you dope!

And you worship him so I guess that means you are ok with it also.

 

[bripat9643]

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Bullshit. Gangs of thugs are squatting on private farms, stealing all the cattle and other animals, and often killing the owners. The government does nothing about it. thousands of farms have been expropriated this way.

Are you part parrot? Seriously... why do you continue to spout the SAME lies over and over?

The articles actually state that not as many farms have been bought since they created the program in the 90's.

No one said the government was buying white farms, moron. I said bands of thugs are simply stealing them while the government looks the other way. They often murder the owners in the process. This is the Utopia that brain damages imbeciles like you have created.

Land Reform In Ramaphosa’s South Africa

Here is how taking land legally currently works, in South Africa, a place the US State Department has only just lauded as “a strong democracy with resilient institutions…,” a country merely “grappling with the difficult issue of land reform.” “Land reform,” of course, is a euphemism for land distribution in the Robert Mugabe mold.

The process currently in place typically begins with a “tribe” or group of individuals who band together to claim vast tracts of private property.

If these loosely and conveniently conjoined groups know anything, it’s this: South Africa’s adapted, indigenized law allows coveted land, owned and occupied by another, to be obtained with relative ease.

See, the country no longer enjoys the impressive Western system of Roman-Dutch law it once enjoyed. Lax law and poorly protected property rights signal a free-for-all on the lives of white owners and their livestock

No sooner does this newly constituted “tribe” (or band of bandits, really) launch a claim with the South African Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, than related squatters—sometimes in the thousands—move to colonize the land.

They defile its grounds and groundwater by using these as one vast toilet, and terrorize, sometimes kill, its occupants and their animals in the hope of “nudging” them off the land.

Dr. Philip du Toit, a farmer (with a doctorate in labor law) and author of “The Great South African Land Scandal,” speaks of recurrent attacks on farm animals that “hark back to the Mau Mau terror campaign which drove whites off Kenyan farms.”

Farmer’s Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.

“Encroachment is the right word,” a farmer told du Toit. “They put their cattle in, then they cut the fences, then they start stealing your crops, forcing you to leave your land. And then they say: ‘Oh well, there’s vacant land, let’s move on to it.’

It’s a very subtle way of stealing land.” “When there is a farm claim I say ‘Look out!’ because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,” confirmed the regional director of the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU).”

Agri SA, an organization representing small and large-scale commercial farmers, reports the annual theft of hundreds of thousands of priceless livestock.

The ANC’s old Soviet-inspired Freedom Charter promised this: “All shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose.” And so they do today.

Because of legal claims they are powerless to fight, squatters whom they cannot fend off, and cattle, crops and families which they can no longer protect, farmers have already been pushed to abandon hundreds of thousands of hectares of prime commercial farmland.

“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”​

Man is there a subject you EVER get right? They are buying farms and then redistributing it to Blacks. Do you ever feel any guilt from lying all the time? Do you have even a bit of shame?

Blacks are simply stealing the farms and murdering the owners while the government looks the other way. What part of that didn't you understand?