Paying people off to avoid a scandal is perfectly legal

[kaz]

Ah, so you're another Democrat who used to be a Republican? You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one of those

No, Lewdog never said he's a Democrat who used to be a Republican. He said he was a Republican before becoming an Independent.

Do you ever stop kazzing?

Ever??

I never said that he didn't say that, you're just kazzing again. I said he's a Democrat, I didn't say he said he's a Democrat. He runs around the board lock step with you idiots. If an animal that runs around looking like a wildebeest in a wildebeest pack claims it's a zebra, the only one he's fooling is himself.

He didn't fool me, I said he's a Democrat. And he didn't fool you either, you're here being his codpiece and defending him. He's only fooling himself

"you're just kazzing again"

LOLOLOL

Kaz lies so much, even he acknowledges his name is synonymous with "liar."

There we go, you're back to banging your dick on trees, pounding your chest and saying you own everyone.

The eight year old is strong in this one.

That really gives you a hard on? The bluster and cartoons?

LOLOL

I never said I own anyone, no less everyone.

But I did get you to admit your name is synonymous with liar.

​

You're kazzing again, you're always telling people you own them. You're a joke for that on the board

 

[bripat9643]

Confirmation bias.

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Trump: “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

Lewdog: Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

It is true, WTF is wrong with you? Some of that land has been in farmer's families for centuries. It's just your typical leftist bull shit that racism is only white on black, blacks can't by your leftist definition be racists



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What Trump said: “You also had some very fine people on both sides."

This is how you lie, "They are good people on both sides... both sides."

You changed that he said some to all and you said he repeated it, which he didn't.

So just to be clear, you think there are not SOME good people who are both for and against removing southern statues of former slave owners? One side has in your view literally zero good people?

-----------------------------------------------------

So other than your just flat outright lie/misquote of Trump and a factually true statement that you lied wasn't factually true, you have anything or you going to hang your hat on that, racist? Again, race baiting is in itself racist

It's a true as making a political statement that Blacks are being systematically exterminated in America. Yes, there are white people who are killing Blacks in the U.S. but it isn't anywhere near the levels it used to be.

The killing of white farmers in South Africa is actually DOWN from in the past, and South Africa isn't taking away land at some crazy rate in South Africa. It is no different than here in the U.S. where Trump wants to build his wall, which will include the federal government taking the land of U.S. citizens under imminent domain so they can build the wall.

That's are why these are called half-truths.

Trump Echoes Neo-Nazi Propaganda About South Africa (That He Heard on Fox News)

So please explain to me how I paraphrased what Trump said was different from the EXACT quote.

I said they are, when it is "there are." Yes, that is the quote and even with that quote, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth so that he can try to say he spoke out against the violence, YET not offend the white nationalist base, one of which ran over protesters and killed a woman.

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Bullshit. Gangs of thugs are squatting on private farms, stealing all the cattle and other animals, and often killing the owners. The government does nothing about it. thousands of farms have been expropriated this way.

What's new. Gangs have been doing that for years in South Africa. The farming organisation AgriSA reported that the murder rate on farms had declined to the lowest level in twenty years, one-third of the level recorded in 1998.
South African farm attacks - Wikipedia

They've only been doing it since blacks took over the government, moron.

 

[kaz]

Ding, ding, ding, another leftist with massive Trump butt hurt.

And Trump hasn't tweeted about other races, leftist bigot. How surprising, another racist race baiter. Race baiting is in itself racism. You're exploiting races for political gain

You understand this is stuff that can be proven right?

Video: Trump faces more fallout from retweets of far-right group

Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

"They are good people on both sides... both sides."

It goes on and on. It's pretty simple. Don't want to hear about racism and Nazism, don't elect and support a guy that says and does things to support Alt-Right groups.

Confirmation bias.

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Trump: “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

Lewdog: Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

It is true, WTF is wrong with you? Some of that land has been in farmer's families for centuries. It's just your typical leftist bull shit that racism is only white on black, blacks can't by your leftist definition be racists



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What Trump said: “You also had some very fine people on both sides."

This is how you lie, "They are good people on both sides... both sides."

You changed that he said some to all and you said he repeated it, which he didn't.

So just to be clear, you think there are not SOME good people who are both for and against removing southern statues of former slave owners? One side has in your view literally zero good people?

-----------------------------------------------------

So other than your just flat outright lie/misquote of Trump and a factually true statement that you lied wasn't factually true, you have anything or you going to hang your hat on that, racist? Again, race baiting is in itself racist

It's a true as making a political statement that Blacks are being systematically exterminated in America. Yes, there are white people who are killing Blacks in the U.S. but it isn't anywhere near the levels it used to be.

The killing of white farmers in South Africa is actually DOWN from in the past, and South Africa isn't taking away land at some crazy rate in South Africa. It is no different than here in the U.S. where Trump wants to build his wall, which will include the federal government taking the land of U.S. citizens under imminent domain so they can build the wall.

That's are why these are called half-truths.

Trump Echoes Neo-Nazi Propaganda About South Africa (That He Heard on Fox News)

So please explain to me how I paraphrased what Trump said was different from the EXACT quote.

I said they are, when it is "there are." Yes, that is the quote and even with that quote, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth so that he can try to say he spoke out against the violence, YET not offend the white nationalist base, one of which ran over protesters and killed a woman.

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Everyone grasps eminent domain, moron. The point in South Africa is they are targeting white farmers because of their race. How stupid are you?

 

[Lewdog]

Are you part parrot? Seriously... why do you continue to spout the SAME lies over and over?

The articles actually state that not as many farms have been bought since they created the program in the 90's.

No one said the government was buying white farms, moron. I said bands of thugs are simply stealing them while the government looks the other way. They often murder the owners in the process. This is the Utopia that brain damages imbeciles like you have created.

Land Reform In Ramaphosa’s South Africa

Here is how taking land legally currently works, in South Africa, a place the US State Department has only just lauded as “a strong democracy with resilient institutions…,” a country merely “grappling with the difficult issue of land reform.” “Land reform,” of course, is a euphemism for land distribution in the Robert Mugabe mold.

The process currently in place typically begins with a “tribe” or group of individuals who band together to claim vast tracts of private property.

If these loosely and conveniently conjoined groups know anything, it’s this: South Africa’s adapted, indigenized law allows coveted land, owned and occupied by another, to be obtained with relative ease.

See, the country no longer enjoys the impressive Western system of Roman-Dutch law it once enjoyed. Lax law and poorly protected property rights signal a free-for-all on the lives of white owners and their livestock

No sooner does this newly constituted “tribe” (or band of bandits, really) launch a claim with the South African Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, than related squatters—sometimes in the thousands—move to colonize the land.

They defile its grounds and groundwater by using these as one vast toilet, and terrorize, sometimes kill, its occupants and their animals in the hope of “nudging” them off the land.

Dr. Philip du Toit, a farmer (with a doctorate in labor law) and author of “The Great South African Land Scandal,” speaks of recurrent attacks on farm animals that “hark back to the Mau Mau terror campaign which drove whites off Kenyan farms.”

Farmer’s Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.

“Encroachment is the right word,” a farmer told du Toit. “They put their cattle in, then they cut the fences, then they start stealing your crops, forcing you to leave your land. And then they say: ‘Oh well, there’s vacant land, let’s move on to it.’

It’s a very subtle way of stealing land.” “When there is a farm claim I say ‘Look out!’ because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,” confirmed the regional director of the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU).”

Agri SA, an organization representing small and large-scale commercial farmers, reports the annual theft of hundreds of thousands of priceless livestock.

The ANC’s old Soviet-inspired Freedom Charter promised this: “All shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose.” And so they do today.

Because of legal claims they are powerless to fight, squatters whom they cannot fend off, and cattle, crops and families which they can no longer protect, farmers have already been pushed to abandon hundreds of thousands of hectares of prime commercial farmland.

“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”​

Man is there a subject you EVER get right? They are buying farms and then redistributing it to Blacks. Do you ever feel any guilt from lying all the time? Do you have even a bit of shame?

Either way it is not something anyone should support a government doing

Huh? I've never said I support it? Did you reply to the wrong post?

You sure do not seem to be against it.

What? What have I said that says I support it? I've simply stated the facts.

The land isn't being taken without compensation like is being used as a talking point in this thread... and stated the hypocrisy of the Trump supporters who are using this as a talking point while supporting Trump who plans to do the same thing here to build his wall.

I don't like the idea of the government taking ANYONE'S land, but if people are going to use it as a political tool, at least get the facts straight.

 

[Lewdog]

Again, let's go back to the point. You said Trump is a racist because he said Whites are having their land taken. You're saying he's a racist because sure, they are having their land taken, but they are getting blow market value for it because governments do that.

You have no pride or integrity. And again, this is one of your two Trump is a racist examples. The other you caved on completely after you butchered Trump's quote

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

 

[bripat9643]

You understand this is stuff that can be proven right?

Video: Trump faces more fallout from retweets of far-right group

Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

"They are good people on both sides... both sides."

It goes on and on. It's pretty simple. Don't want to hear about racism and Nazism, don't elect and support a guy that says and does things to support Alt-Right groups.

Confirmation bias.

-------------------------------------------------

Trump: “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

Lewdog: Just like he retweeted about South Africa, and it is totally untrue.

It is true, WTF is wrong with you? Some of that land has been in farmer's families for centuries. It's just your typical leftist bull shit that racism is only white on black, blacks can't by your leftist definition be racists



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What Trump said: “You also had some very fine people on both sides."

This is how you lie, "They are good people on both sides... both sides."

You changed that he said some to all and you said he repeated it, which he didn't.

So just to be clear, you think there are not SOME good people who are both for and against removing southern statues of former slave owners? One side has in your view literally zero good people?

-----------------------------------------------------

So other than your just flat outright lie/misquote of Trump and a factually true statement that you lied wasn't factually true, you have anything or you going to hang your hat on that, racist? Again, race baiting is in itself racist

It's a true as making a political statement that Blacks are being systematically exterminated in America. Yes, there are white people who are killing Blacks in the U.S. but it isn't anywhere near the levels it used to be.

The killing of white farmers in South Africa is actually DOWN from in the past, and South Africa isn't taking away land at some crazy rate in South Africa. It is no different than here in the U.S. where Trump wants to build his wall, which will include the federal government taking the land of U.S. citizens under imminent domain so they can build the wall.

That's are why these are called half-truths.

Trump Echoes Neo-Nazi Propaganda About South Africa (That He Heard on Fox News)

So please explain to me how I paraphrased what Trump said was different from the EXACT quote.

I said they are, when it is "there are." Yes, that is the quote and even with that quote, he is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth so that he can try to say he spoke out against the violence, YET not offend the white nationalist base, one of which ran over protesters and killed a woman.

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Everyone grasps eminent domain, moron. The point in South Africa is they are targeting white farmers because of their race. How stupid are you?

Eminent domain exists to acquire land needed for a public purpose, not to hand out to the government's favored thugs.

 

[bripat9643]

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

It's not the same thing. Only a moral leper would equate the two. Apartheid is over, so it's irrelevant. Getting even with whitey is not a legitimate government function, you Stalinist douchebag. Any government that does that is a tyranny, and any who makes excuses for it is a thug.

 

[bripat9643]

Lewdog has made it painfully obvious that he has no problem with the government expropriating private property. And he says Trump has no morals!

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

You claim you aren't trying to justify it, but you keep making excuses for it. Equating it to eminent domain is supporting it.

 

[kaz]

LOLOL

Buh... buh... buh....... butwhatabout.....!!!

In other words, you're proud to be a hypocrite.

Oh? Which of those Democrats cheated on their spouse? When you can't name one, let this serve as a reminder for why you're a fucking moron.

I didn't say the people on the list cheated on their spouses, but there's a long list of Dims who have.

So what, fucking moron?

I was talking about Trump being a piece of shit scumbag who cheated on his wife who had recently birthed his child. A brain-dead con asked, but what about Pelosi, Schumer and Waters.

I noted how their only defense of trump was another, butwhataboutism, to which you idiotically thought that made me a hypocrite.

Well, fucking moron, for me to be a hypocrite here, at least one of those Democrats would need to be a piece of shit scumbag cheater like trump.

Savvy?

When it comes to outrageous immoral behavior, Trump is in a league of his own. Over the last 30 years Trump used the media shamelessly to create a public image and keep that image in the headlines, often making fools of reporters and editors. Now, he is president and the media which was his most important tool in promoting himself has become his deadliest enemy. For the media, it's payback time. The free ride is over and it's time to pay the piper.

Gotcha, Democrats don't play the media to their advantage. You're a giant sucker with a huge stick coming out of your ass

 

[Faun]

No, Lewdog never said he's a Democrat who used to be a Republican. He said he was a Republican before becoming an Independent.

Do you ever stop kazzing?

Ever??

I never said that he didn't say that, you're just kazzing again. I said he's a Democrat, I didn't say he said he's a Democrat. He runs around the board lock step with you idiots. If an animal that runs around looking like a wildebeest in a wildebeest pack claims it's a zebra, the only one he's fooling is himself.

He didn't fool me, I said he's a Democrat. And he didn't fool you either, you're here being his codpiece and defending him. He's only fooling himself

"you're just kazzing again"

LOLOLOL

Kaz lies so much, even he acknowledges his name is synonymous with "liar."

There we go, you're back to banging your dick on trees, pounding your chest and saying you own everyone.

The eight year old is strong in this one.

That really gives you a hard on? The bluster and cartoons?

LOLOL

I never said I own anyone, no less everyone.

But I did get you to admit your name is synonymous with liar.

​

You're kazzing again, you're always telling people you own them. You're a joke for that on the board

LOLOL

Your delirium is noted and laughed at.

Again.

 

[kaz]

Another lie. They don't pay for it. Watch the British video I already provided you, dumb ass. So this is the false equivalency by the racist Lewdog

- The US takes land from some unspecified people for unspecified reasons. No idea what you're even talking about

- South Africa takes land from white farmers and gives it to blacks

Here are two facts:

1) Race baiting is racism, it's exploiting races for political points

2) That makes you a racist.

There is no doubt about that.

You haven't shown any racism in Trump or any racist thing he's said. That's because he's not a racist and hasn't said anything racist.

It's all just leftist Democrat hackery because you voted for Hillary and you're bitter and want to overturn the election

They do pay for it.

"He says the 139 white landowners are simply asking the government to pay too much for their land, so the state will ask a court to determine a fair price for the farms."

South Africa Denies Plan to Seize White Farmers' Land

See how you are letting yourself be brainwashed? Sure sounds like a big difference in talking points between, "They are just TAKING the land" and "They are forcing some of the farmers to sell their land."

Even the British were reporting that the white farmers were not getting paid for the land, this isn't just a US claim. It was widely reported. You're blindly believing a statement by the South African government. But let's say for the moment it's true.

Trump Tweeted that South Africa is confiscating land from whites.

That was widely reported across multiple national medias, he has no reason to not believe it's true.

However, you're saying the South African government issued a claim confirming they are confiscating land from whites, but that they are going to pay for it. Which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

And that ... according to you ... even if what you said is all true ... makes Trump a racist.

Yeah ...

And according to you, it's fine if government confiscates the land owned by families for centuries as long as they are paid for it. That's no thang

You're reading it wrong. An ANC Chairman said "they should just take it without compensation" but that isn't the ACTUAL South African law and policy. See what happens when you look at reports with blind partisanship? You can't use critical reading skills to comprehend the truth.

Swish. My point if you read the articles is that there is a lot of contradicting information out there. This was one of your first two go to points that Trump is a racist.

The first was just a flat out lie. You directly misquoted Trump so badly that even you dropped it.

And nowhere in the South Africa are you establishing that Trump said anything racist. You're hanging your hat on that while Trump said white farmers are having their land taken, you're just arguing about whether or not they are going to be paid for it when it's taken, which doesn't contradict what Trump said.

Just admit you're full of shit. Trump hasn't said anything racist, you just want him to be a racist because you wanted Hillary to win and your raging butt hurt over the election means you can't state anything without lying about it

I didn't "drop it." I corrected it, and as I said it doesn't make a difference it meets what I said. He said there were good people among the alt-right white nationalist because he wants their fucking support. And by you sitting here arguing to defend it, you are an enabler.

He never said that, fucking liar. He was talking about the pro and the con on the southern statues. You're such a fundamentally dishonest douche

 

[kaz]

The tweet YOU referred to again. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

The link I gave you said the South African government is taking land from white farmers. It also mentioned blacks killing white farmers, so you went off on that deflecting from the point we were discussing.

This is how you lie and race bait, racist. Trump didn't say anything about the murder of white farmers, he said the South African government is confiscating the land of white farmers, which is true.

And these were your go to, first off the bat examples that Trump is the racist. One you just flat out lied and misquoted him. The other, you didn't address what he said but make up something he didn't say and went off after that.

All you're doing is proving your point that you're a racist because you are race baiting and exploiting races for cheap political points

I believe there is much misinformation on this issue. The South African Government has always had the right to confiscate land where needed with compensation just as Trump is planning on doing to build his wall in the US. What has changed is an amendment is being considered which would eliminate compensation. No farms are being confiscated without compensation now and there are no mass killings of whites over this issue. That is false news.

However, if the amendment passes farms owned by whites could be taken without compensation. According to the ANC, that would not happen due to wording in the amendment. However, others in the ANC say they want both black and white owned farms. Since the farm exports have risen rapidly bringing much needed revenue into the country, it seems unlikely the government would want to upset the apple cart.

Bullshit. Gangs of thugs are squatting on private farms, stealing all the cattle and other animals, and often killing the owners. The government does nothing about it. thousands of farms have been expropriated this way.

Are you part parrot? Seriously... why do you continue to spout the SAME lies over and over?

The articles actually state that not as many farms have been bought since they created the program in the 90's.

No one said the government was buying white farms, moron. I said bands of thugs are simply stealing them while the government looks the other way. They often murder the owners in the process. This is the Utopia that brain damages imbeciles like you have created.

Land Reform In Ramaphosa’s South Africa

Here is how taking land legally currently works, in South Africa, a place the US State Department has only just lauded as “a strong democracy with resilient institutions…,” a country merely “grappling with the difficult issue of land reform.” “Land reform,” of course, is a euphemism for land distribution in the Robert Mugabe mold.

The process currently in place typically begins with a “tribe” or group of individuals who band together to claim vast tracts of private property.

If these loosely and conveniently conjoined groups know anything, it’s this: South Africa’s adapted, indigenized law allows coveted land, owned and occupied by another, to be obtained with relative ease.

See, the country no longer enjoys the impressive Western system of Roman-Dutch law it once enjoyed. Lax law and poorly protected property rights signal a free-for-all on the lives of white owners and their livestock

No sooner does this newly constituted “tribe” (or band of bandits, really) launch a claim with the South African Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, than related squatters—sometimes in the thousands—move to colonize the land.

They defile its grounds and groundwater by using these as one vast toilet, and terrorize, sometimes kill, its occupants and their animals in the hope of “nudging” them off the land.

Dr. Philip du Toit, a farmer (with a doctorate in labor law) and author of “The Great South African Land Scandal,” speaks of recurrent attacks on farm animals that “hark back to the Mau Mau terror campaign which drove whites off Kenyan farms.”

Farmer’s Weekly used to be packed with pitiful accounts of cows poisoned with exotic substances, battered with heavy metal bars, writhing in agony for hours before being found by a distraught farmer.

“Encroachment is the right word,” a farmer told du Toit. “They put their cattle in, then they cut the fences, then they start stealing your crops, forcing you to leave your land. And then they say: ‘Oh well, there’s vacant land, let’s move on to it.’

It’s a very subtle way of stealing land.” “When there is a farm claim I say ‘Look out!’ because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,” confirmed the regional director of the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU).”

Agri SA, an organization representing small and large-scale commercial farmers, reports the annual theft of hundreds of thousands of priceless livestock.

The ANC’s old Soviet-inspired Freedom Charter promised this: “All shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose.” And so they do today.

Because of legal claims they are powerless to fight, squatters whom they cannot fend off, and cattle, crops and families which they can no longer protect, farmers have already been pushed to abandon hundreds of thousands of hectares of prime commercial farmland.

“Since the end of apartheid in 1994, when multi-racial elections were held,” wrote Dan McDougal of the London Times, millions of “acres of productive farmland have been transferred to black ownership. Much of it is now lying fallow, creating no economic benefit for the nation or its new owners.”​

Man is there a subject you EVER get right? They are buying farms and then redistributing it to Blacks. Do you ever feel any guilt from lying all the time? Do you have even a bit of shame?

Yet another lie from the dishonest douche. You make it sound like the white farmers have a choice and are selling

 

[Lewdog]

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

It's not the same thing. Only a moral leper would equate the two. Apartheid is over, so it's irrelevant. Getting even with whitey is not a legitimate government function, you Stalinist douchebag. Any government that does that is a tyranny, and any who makes excuses for it is a thug.

It's not irrelevant, it proves a point that you continue to ignore. I knew you wouldn't know what happened after Apartheid because you don't pay to attention when people you don't like do fair shit.

They did what is called Truth and Reconciliation Hearings. When Blacks took power in South Africa, they didn't act out in a vindictive manner. No they allowed people that had committed horrible crimes against to come before the commission and admit their acts in return for forgiveness and amnesty.

 

[kaz]

Trump would be so proud of Kaz and bripat... they are good little drones who ignore facts even when it is shown to them in black and white.

I think it is about time to put them both on ignore. They've now fallen to the level of forum clutter. I might as well be talking to a pigeon.

You're the one who keeps having to misquote Trump to make your point, racist douche

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It's legal, except for when it isn't, such as when a candidate does it in the run up to an election and does not report it as a campaign expense or as a loan to his campaign. As michael cohen just found out.

 

[Lewdog]

You made this statement before and I asked you to prove it. You haven't but instead have gone the Trumpian route that if you repeat it over and over it might become true.

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

You claim you aren't trying to justify it, but you keep making excuses for it. Equating it to eminent domain is supporting it.

I'm not making excuses for it, but pointing out your false propaganda you keep spewing about it. I don't agree with it, but I'm also not going to spread fake shit about it in order to use it as a political tool like you and Kazzism are.

You want to disagree with an action of government? Fine, but don't over-exaggerate it and make up lies to use it to spread a hateful message and cause more problems.

 

[bripat9643]

You've been defending the kleptocrat state of South Africa. You tried to compare its policy of stealing private land with the American law of eminent domain.

It is the same thing. Only difference is the U.S. government keeps it for themselves, and South Africa is giving some to Blacks in order to use as farm land.

Do you have any idea what Apartheid was? At all? Do you know what happened to the former government that would KILL and punish blacks for ordinary behavior during Apartheid?

It's not the same thing. Only a Stalinist would claim it is. Apartheid doesn't justify stealing private property and murdering the owners. Your moral compass is seriously askew if you believe it does. The Apartheid government was far more benign than the current nest of Stalinist thugs. Blacks immigrated into South Africa the whole time Apartheid was in force. Man, it must have been so horrible!

The land blacks are taking has been in the families of the owners for generation. The only reason it can grow crops at all is because of all the hard work and money the owners invested in it. The blacks who are taking it did nothing to entitle themselves to it. Not a fucking thing. Most of them are not even native to South Africa.

Lol, it IS the same thing, and the killings of farmers has gone DOWN.

You are ignoring the point of me mentioning Apartheid. Again, do you know what happened to those in government that took part in Apartheid???

It's not the same thing. Only a moral leper would equate the two. Apartheid is over, so it's irrelevant. Getting even with whitey is not a legitimate government function, you Stalinist douchebag. Any government that does that is a tyranny, and any who makes excuses for it is a thug.

It's not irrelevant, it proves a point that you continue to ignore. I knew you wouldn't know what happened after Apartheid because you don't pay to attention when people you don't like do fair shit.

They did what is called Truth and Reconciliation Hearings. When Blacks took power in South Africa, they didn't act out in a vindictive manner. No they allowed people that had committed horrible crimes against to come before the commission and admit their acts in return for forgiveness and amnesty.

What does that have to do with black thugs stealing the land of totally innocent farmers and then murdering them?

What "horrible crimes" are you referring to? Committed against who?

 

[Lewdog]

Trump would be so proud of Kaz and bripat... they are good little drones who ignore facts even when it is shown to them in black and white.

I think it is about time to put them both on ignore. They've now fallen to the level of forum clutter. I might as well be talking to a pigeon.

You're the one who keeps having to misquote Trump to make your point, racist douche

Yeah I'm officially done with you. You are one of the most unethical, immoral, and dishonest posters on this entire forum.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It's legal, except for when it isn't, such as when a candidate does it in the run up to an election and does not report it as a campaign expense or as a loan to his campaign. As michael cohen just found out.

Wrong. It's legal even then.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump would be so proud of Kaz and bripat... they are good little drones who ignore facts even when it is shown to them in black and white.

I think it is about time to put them both on ignore. They've now fallen to the level of forum clutter. I might as well be talking to a pigeon.

You're the one who keeps having to misquote Trump to make your point, racist douche

Yeah I'm officially done with you. You are one of the most unethical, immoral, and dishonest posters on this entire forum.

Projecting?