PAYPAL attacking gun rights

[DamnYankee]

It seems that it does not matter if you have a merchant account with paypal or not.

The Paypal Terms of Use:

PayPal Acceptable Use Policy


This Policy was last modified on June 3, 2009.

You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities: You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

1. violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation
2. relate to sales of (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (e) items that are considered obscene, (f) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (g) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (h) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (i) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law
3. relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other “get rich quick” schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f), are associated with the sale of traveler’s checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses, or (i) provide certain credit repair or debt settlement services
4. involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent
5. violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices
6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from PayPal and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

Purchasing a gun using Paypal is a violation of the Terms of Service and grounds for having your account closed.

Sorry. Here is the link:

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside

Like Duck said, it's politics....

 

[DamnYankee]

as a member of paypal i looked up and found this

What types of weapons and knives does PayPal prohibit?


Question : Answer : PayPal prohibits transactions for certain hand weapons or knives that may be illegal or restricted in some jurisdictions.

Weapons – PayPal generally prohibits transactions for these types of weapons:

• Nunchaku.
• Brass or other metal knuckles.
• Leaded canes, staffs, crutches, or sticks.
• Zip guns, shurikens or throwing stars.
• Hand grenades or metal replica hand grenades.
• Billyclubs or batons, sandclubs, sandbags, or slungshots (also known as saps or blackjacks).

For other hand weapons, sellers must ensure the weapon is lawful in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdiction before completing the sale.

Knives – PayPal generally prohibits transactions for switchblade knives and disguised knives. A switchblade is any knife resembling a pocketknife with a blade that can be released automatically or by use of a trigger. Other names for switchblades include spring-blade knives, snap-blade knives, gravity knives, and butterfly knives.

A disguised knife is a knife designed to look like a harmless item. Examples of disguised knives include belt buckle knives, cane swords, shobi-zue, lipstick case knives, air gauge knives, and writing pen knives.

Other Related Items – PayPal prohibits transactions for destructive devices and the sale of military equipment or supplies that violate laws or regulations in the buyer's or seller's jurisdiction.

so, not all guns are prohibited

Still wondering why PAYPAL did not give a reason then.

 

[DamnYankee]

Holy Shit! Neither are nukes!

Deflection alert!

 

[DiveCon]

as a member of paypal i looked up and found this

What types of weapons and knives does PayPal prohibit?


Question : Answer : PayPal prohibits transactions for certain hand weapons or knives that may be illegal or restricted in some jurisdictions.

Weapons – PayPal generally prohibits transactions for these types of weapons:

• Nunchaku.
• Brass or other metal knuckles.
• Leaded canes, staffs, crutches, or sticks.
• Zip guns, shurikens or throwing stars.
• Hand grenades or metal replica hand grenades.
• Billyclubs or batons, sandclubs, sandbags, or slungshots (also known as saps or blackjacks).

For other hand weapons, sellers must ensure the weapon is lawful in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdiction before completing the sale.

Knives – PayPal generally prohibits transactions for switchblade knives and disguised knives. A switchblade is any knife resembling a pocketknife with a blade that can be released automatically or by use of a trigger. Other names for switchblades include spring-blade knives, snap-blade knives, gravity knives, and butterfly knives.

A disguised knife is a knife designed to look like a harmless item. Examples of disguised knives include belt buckle knives, cane swords, shobi-zue, lipstick case knives, air gauge knives, and writing pen knives.

Other Related Items – PayPal prohibits transactions for destructive devices and the sale of military equipment or supplies that violate laws or regulations in the buyer's or seller's jurisdiction.

so, not all guns are prohibited

Still wondering why PAYPAL did not give a reason then.

it really doesnt matter
paypal is a private business, they dont have to allow you to use their services for anything
and that doesnt stop you from buying anything

 

[DamnYankee]

as a member of paypal i looked up and found this

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so, not all guns are prohibited

Still wondering why PAYPAL did not give a reason then.

it really doesnt matter
paypal is a private business, they dont have to allow you to use their services for anything
and that doesnt stop you from buying anything

I found this part of the quote of particular interest however

For other hand weapons, sellers must ensure the weapon is lawful in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdiction before completing the sale.

That would absolve them of liability, right?

 

[DiveCon]

Still wondering why PAYPAL did not give a reason then.

it really doesnt matter
paypal is a private business, they dont have to allow you to use their services for anything
and that doesnt stop you from buying anything

I found this part of the quote of particular interest however

For other hand weapons, sellers must ensure the weapon is lawful in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdiction before completing the sale.

That would absolve them of liability, right?

yup
they set up strict rules that must be followed
it the seller doesnt follow the rules, they wont be able to use theservice
this in NO WAY infringes on ANYONES rights


its wrong to claim they are viuolating your rights when they are not
you do NOT have a constitutional RIGHT to use Paypal, or any other financial service

 

[Soaring]

Absolutely....PayPal is a business, and they are not bound to any constitutional right for anyone who wants to use their financial services. They make the rules, and if you don't agree with those rules, you don't get to use their services. Where are all you wet nosed left wing liberal idiots coming from?

 

[DamnYankee]

it really doesnt matter
paypal is a private business, they dont have to allow you to use their services for anything
and that doesnt stop you from buying anything

I found this part of the quote of particular interest however

For other hand weapons, sellers must ensure the weapon is lawful in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdiction before completing the sale.

That would absolve them of liability, right?

yup
they set up strict rules that must be followed
it the seller doesnt follow the rules, they wont be able to use theservice
this in NO WAY infringes on ANYONES rights


its wrong to claim they are viuolating your rights when they are not
you do NOT have a constitutional RIGHT to use Paypal, or any other financial service

If you go back and read the OP, there was no opportunity for a purchase to take place at all, making it a presumption on their part that the seller (and/or the buyer) was not following the rules. Since they made a provision in their rules for the sale of some guns, and put the onus on the seller to ensure the legality of the sale, they are, in fact, breaking their own rules.

Now, I may or may not have Constitutional standing on this, but I sure as hell have a legal case for breach of contract. Speculation on the reason for said breach my have a Constutional basis -- enough to build a case for that.

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh, you're litigious too.

 

[DamnYankee]

Absolutely....PayPal is a business, and they are not bound to any constitutional right for anyone who wants to use their financial services. They make the rules, and if you don't agree with those rules, you don't get to use their services. Where are all you wet nosed left wing liberal idiots coming from?

Where in hell did you get "liberal" from, genius?

 

[DamnYankee]

Oh, you're litigious too.

I'm making a point -- several in fact -- which seems to be beyond your ability to comprehend.

 

[Soaring]

Absolutely....PayPal is a business, and they are not bound to any constitutional right for anyone who wants to use their financial services. They make the rules, and if you don't agree with those rules, you don't get to use their services. Where are all you wet nosed left wing liberal idiots coming from?

Where in hell did you get "liberal" from, genius?

Thanks for the label of genius. I like to think of myself as fairly intelligent. Left wing liberals generally fall into the rhealm of the ignorant ones who expect the government and/or someone else to take care of them. This seems to be one of those cases where the liberals are crying foul, when in fact the foul is being caused by the left wing liberals. The finance company you deal with regarding your car payments, and your car insurance, and your house payments and your credit card payments, etc. are not bound to your rules, rather you are bound to their rules if you agree to borrow from them. This is where the left wing liberals are completely FUBAR.

 

[DavidS]

Can't figure out what business it is of theirs. They ARE in business to make money, aren't they?

If you go on to any of the many online gun-shops, such as gunbroker.com, or gunsamerica.com, which are currently selling guns like mad, you will see something interesting: there are fervent and repeated warnings all over the shop-listings on those sites that say things like,

“you can’t use Paypal to buy this gun!”, or “no Paypal allowed, cash, check, c.c., or money order only!”

This is because the anti-Constitution online bank monopoly known as Paypal will shut down any person’s Paypal account if they try to buy a firearm or related products if paying for them with Paypal. No warnings or precautions are ever given; the account is just closed. And if this happens to you, Paypal has productive, even somewhat covert, ways to prevent you from opening a new Paypal account, or using your banking or credit card on a newly opened Paypal account, which is the only way you can use Paypal (unless you want to open a Paypal credit card account and go in debt). This makes it impossible to buy online at the huge number of internet sites that only take Paypal. So, in summary, what this amounts to is that if you buy a firearm or related materials online and pay through Paypal, you are banned from doing commerce on the internet!

No reason is given for this by Paypal to my knowledge, and you can buy all the junk food, soft-porn, Prozac, and Michael Jackson supplies online through Paypal, but for some reason (wink, wink), not firearms and firearms accessories.
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Restore The Republic » Blog Archive » Paypal is Attacking Gun Rights

Typical right wing bullshit. It's very easy for you to purchase something off of PayPal and then tell PayPal you didn't get what you ordered and get your monkey back. In additiona, PayPal is one of the WORST online merchant solution companies as far as security goes. Many, MANY people are very wary of PayPal. If a gun store wants to setup PayPal on his or her website, they are quite welcome to.

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh, you're litigious too.

I'm making a point -- several in fact -- which seems to be beyond your ability to comprehend.

Probably. Brain's not moving too swift today.

 

[DiveCon]

Can't figure out what business it is of theirs. They ARE in business to make money, aren't they?

If you go on to any of the many online gun-shops, such as gunbroker.com, or gunsamerica.com, which are currently selling guns like mad, you will see something interesting: there are fervent and repeated warnings all over the shop-listings on those sites that say things like,

“you can’t use Paypal to buy this gun!”, or “no Paypal allowed, cash, check, c.c., or money order only!”

This is because the anti-Constitution online bank monopoly known as Paypal will shut down any person’s Paypal account if they try to buy a firearm or related products if paying for them with Paypal. No warnings or precautions are ever given; the account is just closed. And if this happens to you, Paypal has productive, even somewhat covert, ways to prevent you from opening a new Paypal account, or using your banking or credit card on a newly opened Paypal account, which is the only way you can use Paypal (unless you want to open a Paypal credit card account and go in debt). This makes it impossible to buy online at the huge number of internet sites that only take Paypal. So, in summary, what this amounts to is that if you buy a firearm or related materials online and pay through Paypal, you are banned from doing commerce on the internet!

No reason is given for this by Paypal to my knowledge, and you can buy all the junk food, soft-porn, Prozac, and Michael Jackson supplies online through Paypal, but for some reason (wink, wink), not firearms and firearms accessories.
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Restore The Republic » Blog Archive » Paypal is Attacking Gun Rights

Typical right wing bullshit. It's very easy for you to purchase something off of PayPal and then tell PayPal you didn't get what you ordered and get your monkey back. In additiona, PayPal is one of the WORST online merchant solution companies as far as security goes. Many, MANY people are very wary of PayPal. If a gun store wants to setup PayPal on his or her website, they are quite welcome to.

no, they are not
unless they meet the strict conditions that Paypal set up for weapons sales

 

[DavidS]

Can't figure out what business it is of theirs. They ARE in business to make money, aren't they?

If you go on to any of the many online gun-shops, such as gunbroker.com, or gunsamerica.com, which are currently selling guns like mad, you will see something interesting: there are fervent and repeated warnings all over the shop-listings on those sites that say things like,

“you can’t use Paypal to buy this gun!”, or “no Paypal allowed, cash, check, c.c., or money order only!”

This is because the anti-Constitution online bank monopoly known as Paypal will shut down any person’s Paypal account if they try to buy a firearm or related products if paying for them with Paypal. No warnings or precautions are ever given; the account is just closed. And if this happens to you, Paypal has productive, even somewhat covert, ways to prevent you from opening a new Paypal account, or using your banking or credit card on a newly opened Paypal account, which is the only way you can use Paypal (unless you want to open a Paypal credit card account and go in debt). This makes it impossible to buy online at the huge number of internet sites that only take Paypal. So, in summary, what this amounts to is that if you buy a firearm or related materials online and pay through Paypal, you are banned from doing commerce on the internet!

No reason is given for this by Paypal to my knowledge, and you can buy all the junk food, soft-porn, Prozac, and Michael Jackson supplies online through Paypal, but for some reason (wink, wink), not firearms and firearms accessories.
cont'd
Restore The Republic » Blog Archive » Paypal is Attacking Gun Rights

Typical right wing bullshit. It's very easy for you to purchase something off of PayPal and then tell PayPal you didn't get what you ordered and get your monkey back. In additiona, PayPal is one of the WORST online merchant solution companies as far as security goes. Many, MANY people are very wary of PayPal. If a gun store wants to setup PayPal on his or her website, they are quite welcome to.

no, they are not
unless they meet the strict conditions that Paypal set up for weapons sales

Strict conditions meaning PayPal could be liable if it authorized a transaction that killed someone. We're not talking about cans of beans here... there is one purpose and one purpose only when you buy a gun: To kill something. Sometimes it's an animal, sometimes it's a human. If a human died because a gun store sold a gun and violated the law when it did that, the person who was killed's family could go after PayPal.

 

[DiveCon]

Typical right wing bullshit. It's very easy for you to purchase something off of PayPal and then tell PayPal you didn't get what you ordered and get your monkey back. In additiona, PayPal is one of the WORST online merchant solution companies as far as security goes. Many, MANY people are very wary of PayPal. If a gun store wants to setup PayPal on his or her website, they are quite welcome to.

no, they are not
unless they meet the strict conditions that Paypal set up for weapons sales

Strict conditions meaning PayPal could be liable if it authorized a transaction that killed someone. We're not talking about cans of beans here... there is one purpose and one purpose only when you buy a gun: To kill something. Sometimes it's an animal, sometimes it's a human. If a human died because a gun store sold a gun and violated the law when it did that, the person who was killed's family could go after PayPal.

so, if you use a mastercard, they could go after them just as much, or a bank if you write a check?

NO you dumbass, thats totally STUPID
same as it is to go after the gun manufacturer

 

[Modbert]

Not to change the subject, but those of you whose think this is appropriate, would you be of the same opinion if this was a national pharmacy chain whose policy dictated a ban on filling instant abortion prescription using the same logic, fear of lawsuit.

Bringing Abortion into this is instant trolling.

Besides, it doesn't matter if they did, there are plenty of other pharmacy chains that are willing to sell the prescriptions. Not that any pharmacy would stop though, too much profit.

 

[Darkwind]

Doesn't any business or provider have the right to not sell certain items or transfer money for certain items?

I believe people sign away their right to sue the minute they sign any TOS.

Yes.

Every business has the right to set terms on how its services or goods are used or purchased.

This is not a Second Amendment issue. There are plenty of financial institutions and internet payment gateways that will allow you to purchase guns using their services.

As long as you obey all State and International commerce laws.

Which happens to be the point here---paypal intentionally makes it difficult to use their sevices when buying a weapon. Get it ?

I still don't see your point.

Paypal does not exist to please every Tom, Dick & Dildoduck that comes along.

As I said, you want to purchase guns via the internet, then use another payment gateway. There are plenty out there.

 

[Darkwind]

Which happens to be the point here---paypal intentionally makes it difficult to use their sevices when buying a weapon. Get it ?

Do you get the point that they have the right to refuse service on whatever they want? They aren't Government owned. It's all about freedom and rights until someone dares goes near that 2nd Amendment.

Paypal is also avoiding any further legal issues later on when someone who buys a gun off PayPal goes on a shooting rampage which ends up having PayPal get sued by the victims.

and people have the right to know the truth about their anti gun policy--then they have the right to use them or not. Have you ever even SEEN the middle ?

How is it that people don't know the truth? If you sign up, you SHOULD read the Terms of Service. If you don't use them, why would you care what their stance on guns is?